1968 with small rear window?

[cypressbog]

Did GM use up the left over small rear window cabs on very early 68 models?

[Getter-Done]

Here is an old thread about this subject.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=390889





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[too much stuff]

Originally Posted by cypressbog

Did GM use up the left over small rear window cabs on very early 68 models?

I have never seen a 68 with a small rear window in the 10-30 series.

[68panelman]

That thread doesn't solve the mystery. I thought they couldn't be sold due to the new safety regulations in 1968 for light cars and trucks.
My two cents

[68bowtie]

The consensus seems to be “no”. Regulations would definitely explain that. I wonder if they retrofitted any of the leftover cabs?

[72c20customcamper]

Coming from a family that owned several dealerships . Anything at that time was possible. Had a leftover update it sell it as a new car with the engine number instead of the vin.

[special-K]

The answer is no. They don't build vehicles right up to the next model year comes out, with extra complete body units laying around the plant. It would take more effort to use the old unit than use the first unit built on the freshly set up production line. If there were any leftovers they would have gone to surplus parts. There were complete cabs available after '72 still. They made the large windows in '67 as well and I'm sure the '68s still didn't use the '67 cabs. Any unused small window back panels not used for parts surplus would have been needed for the 40-60 series over the following years till the cabs changed. No need to mix them in on light trucks.

[72c20customcamper]

Tim the factory may not have done it but dealers sure would have.


But I still drive the dodge parts guy crazy with my truck . It's a quad cab 8 ft bed 2007 truck . With the 5.9 Cummins an the 48 trans . They keep telling me no such animal.

[special-K]

Yeah, for the first couple years that I had my introduced late in the year '92 K3500 6.5TD I had to call it a '93 because the listings didn't show it in '92. It took till June for delivery, so not much time till the '93s came out. I had people saying "Nice ;93" and I'd correct them only to get a look that said "you don't even know the year of your truck?". Parts stores... forget about it. "You mean 6.2". No, I mean 6.5 Turbo Diesel. "Ok, so it's a '93?" No, it's a '92. I get a lost look so I'd say, "Just give me the '93 filter. It'll work"

Hey Mark, I was thinking the family dealerships were AMC and Studebaker, right? From what I understand, they both went through some jockeying things around a bit with parts, didn't they? I know AMC was switching around with sourcing parts/components, at least from year to year. And the Studebakers did less superficial changes in general, but there was blending with Packard and such.

[HO455]

Maybe the OP can post some photos of the truck with the SPID. That may help.
I know some states used to issue title dates when the vehicle was sold. So for example if your truck built in March of 67 but didn't sell until October of 1968 it may have been titled as a 68. I have run into this several times with old motorcycles.

[special-K]

Yeah, that's usually the case, vehicle titled as year it was titled rather than year of mfgr. The new '68s came out in late '67 and if a '67 didn't sell until the '68s came out it could be titles as a '68 by some states... incorrectly. But hey, they're the gov't so it can't be wrong, right?.................. Right?

[Sheepdip]

Originally Posted by special-K

Yeah, that's usually the case, vehicle titled as year it was titled rather than year of mfgr. The new '68s came out in late '67 and if a '67 didn't sell until the '68s came out it could be titles as a '68 by some states... incorrectly. But hey, they're the gov't so it can't be wrong, right?.................. Right?

Have not looked at a current "Pink Slip" lately for California but they used to say for example -Year Model 67 ...Year Sold 68.

I do know that over change of ownership several times that gets kinda foggy as to what year it actually is legally.

The 68 and later the vin number tells all and the newer ones you need the vin to get parts.

[72c20customcamper]

Tim yes AMC and Studebaker . Lots of parts were outsourced. So vin numbers needed to get the correct part. I have owned several avantis that were clearly 1963 one was the 393rd built. But they were registered as 1964s.

My Dodge was built January 2007 and was one of the last 5.9s to leave the factory. Took time to find too. Wanted the old engine 4 door with an 8 ft bed. I had to settle for an automatic Laramie couldn't find one with the manual trans.

[cypressbog]

Originally Posted by HO455

Maybe the OP can post some photos of the truck with the SPID. That may help.

The question stems from a conversation on a facebook group with a truck being advertised as a 69 but was definitely a 67. A commenter said that some early 68's used the left over cabs. In all the years messing with these trucks I've never come across a 68 with small window but that doesn't mean they couldn't exist. I appreciate the knowledge of this great group of truck nuts.

[palallin]

I owned one: no pics because I had no idea it was rare at the time (1985). I bought it as a parts truck. '68 title, '68 bed (no evidence of repaint), '68 frame, '68 PS, '68 doors, small window cab.


If Ida' known then what I know now . . . . .

[southern parts]

Most c40 and larger trucks through 1972 were small back window. Did the safety regulations effect only light duty vehicles?

[cypressbog]

Originally Posted by palallin

I owned one: no pics because I had no idea it was rare at the time (1985). I bought it as a parts truck. '68 title, '68 bed (no evidence of repaint), '68 frame, '68 PS, '68 doors, small window cab.

Now that's real interesting. Did the truck have the 68-72 ignition bezel too? Did it have 67 or 68 vent window locks?

Originally Posted by southern parts

Most c40 and larger trucks through 1972 were small back window. Did the safety regulations effect only light duty vehicles?

From what I read in the link supplied in the 1st response here, yes, the light duty trucks C-10 to C-30.

[palallin]

I know it had the later vent windows because I kept those. I honestly don't remember the bezel, and I doubt I would have noticed.

[special-K]

How are the '68 frame, P/S, and doors different from '67? You say the vent windows weren't '67 style. I've seen all original '68s with the interior paint matching the interior like '67. I showed pictures here when my friend had it. But everything else was '68, like the dash. In '68 the Pasnoramic back window was no longer an option and would not be listed on the SPID. So how would that work with the small back window? The one thing that landed me with Chevys was the consistency in parts. No oddball changes and no surprises at the parts counter. This simply does not run congruent with any experience I've had with these trucks

Originally Posted by cypressbog

The question stems from a conversation on a facebook group with a truck being advertised as a 69 but was definitely a 67. A commenter said that some early 68's used the left over cabs. In all the years messing with these trucks I've never come across a 68 with small window but that doesn't mean they couldn't exist. I appreciate the knowledge of this great group of truck nuts.

Sounds like the jerk I ran into one of the few times I tried facebook 67-72 group.Too infantile for me. He said his family had four small window '68s with small window when new. Sounds like a dire attempt to salvage his BS to me. They had all four of them I guess

[palallin]

Was the '67 PS not the ram system while the '68 and later were the more common type? I have been under the impression that the frame mounting differed, but I could be mistaken. In any case, the truck did not have the ram style PS.

I may or may not have seen the SPID--I don't remember and wouldn't have known what codes to look for at the time.

[projectking]

Originally Posted by palallin

Was the '67 PS not the ram system while the '68 and later were the more common type? I have been under the impression that the frame mounting differed, but I could be mistaken. In any case, the truck did not have the ram style PS.

I may or may not have seen the SPID--I don't remember and wouldn't have known what codes to look for at the time.

Yes, ram assist. Early ‘67 frames weren’t dimpled for the power box, my late build has them.

[southern parts]

Some early 68s still had the ram assist power steering also.

[projectking]

Originally Posted by southern parts

Some early 68s still had the ram assist power steering also.

Do you know if the frames were dimpled on them?

[Jason Banks]

I have an early Fremont built 68 that does not have dimpled frame. October 28, 1967 according to the build sheet. The truck did not come with power steering though.

I also have another 1968 built December 1967 at Janesville built truck that does have the dimpled frame.

[special-K]

I'd have to see other cases of GM using left over parts from prior years to even begin considering this as possible. A major body component? The one with the VIV-plate? I don't think so. And if the small window was mandated out of existence in '68 on light trucks then how were they legally registered? Were there lest over 283s found in '68s? I net they didn't even use left over '67 hubcaps on '68s