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shelby987 · 02-27-2006, 09:34 PM

Yes, did some work on the hubs this weekend.....put everything back together, I know I wrenched on all the lugs pretty hard.....but it looks like the lugs on the drivers side managed to loosen themselves over the last 100 miles.......so here is my problem.....what do I need to get this rig back on the road? I have found both brake pads, and the drum, but the springs, the adjuster, and the backing plate of axle seem to be gone or ground flat......am I gonna be able to find all of this stuff at napa/advanced/autozone....anywhere? Parts numbers would be appreciated.

Also, is there any serious damage I should look out for?

For anyone wondering, I managed to make it about 600 feet down the road.....hit a bump hard, hit the ground, lost all steering and couldn't get the damn thing to stop.....managed to get it slowed down enough before putting it into a 12' deep ditch....during all of this I was fortunate enough to see the tire fly past me.....found it 400 feet behind me.....and the drum 300 feet behind the truck.....the good news, it was on an empty dirt road....no one around, and I was able to leave the truck there while I walked to my house about half a mile down the road.......got my car, bought some lug nuts, jacked up the truck, got the wheel back on, and drove the poor girl home at 5mph.

*Medicanman71* · 02-27-2006, 09:40 PM

Damn what a bummer, glad it wasnt 10000000X worse... sorry i cant help. as far as your wheel and tire flying off, seems like you did not bad, no body damage! Couldnt have picked a better spot to fly off at either..

**truckdude239** · 02-27-2006, 09:46 PM

yeah try carquest if you got one of them or any advance auto any major parts store should have the parts you need

Russell · 02-27-2006, 10:24 PM

Sounds like a good time to upgrade to a newer D44 or 10 bolt with disk brakes to me!

Just be happy you didn't cause any major damage to your truck!

71SWBChevy · 02-27-2006, 10:50 PM

Damn man glad you and the truck are reletively ok. that really sucks! Nice truck though.

cdowns · 02-27-2006, 10:53 PM

i'd say a junkyard would be a good place to find a new backing plate, or you could check on the parts board//i really wouldn't place any faith on the one you drove down thw road on

mrein3 · 02-27-2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell

Sounds like a good time to upgrade to a newer D44 or 10 bolt with disk brakes to me!

Just be happy you didn't cause any major damage to your truck!

After seeing the pictures I was thinking the same thing Russell posted.

I understand those drums are real hard to find. You may have to get a newer disk front end anyways. This is the PERFECT time to upgrade.

4x4Poet · 02-28-2006, 03:22 AM

What a blessing that the incident occured on a dirt road and so close to home!

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Originally Posted by cdowns

i'd say a junkyard would be a good place to find a new backing plate, or you could check on the parts board//i really wouldn't place any faith on the one you drove down thw road on

I agree. Look closely to see if it is bent. Just a little bend could mess up the alignment of the shoes and adjusters which would cause havoc.

Might as well pull the inner axles and check the u-joint crosses if you replace the backing plate.

Use a torque wrench next time to verify the tightness of the lug nuts. Go for 90-120 ft lbs for 9/16" studs, as per the service manual (SPECIFICATIONS 20 in my '71 manual). Retorque after 100 miles. Hope the budget allows for a disc conversion. I know how that is...

HeavyD · 02-28-2006, 03:28 AM

Glad to see there was little damage. Time to buy a new set of underwear I bet

jsbgump · 02-28-2006, 03:34 AM

That sucks. At least very little damage occured

**special-K** · 02-28-2006, 08:17 AM

So,the drum and wheel were seperate?Sounds like you didn`t finish that corner after your bearing service.I don`t know how one would effect the other.Sounds like your spindle nuts spun off.Was there a funny washer with tabs on it between the spindle nut?Glad it wasn`t worse!I`m sure someone could set you up with what you need right here in the parts section.

shelby987 · 02-28-2006, 09:04 AM

no, the hub is still on there, there is a locking washer between the two spindle nuts....but the drum goes over the hub....when the wheel came off....the drum went with it.....not sure if it was before or after the front end hit the ground......looks like before as the drum is in good condition still.....I think that retorque after 100 miles is what nailed me.....with the washboard road I live on....I probably should have done it at 30 miles.....because I hit a deusie of a pot hole right before this happened....enough so that I think I actually traveled a couple of feet down the road before the axle hit the ground.

I KNOW i need a new backing plate......4,000lbs truck + 50mph X down a dirt road = enough friction to sand the plate flat from round.....its not bent, its GONE!

I am planning on doing the swap, but I JUST put the bearings in, the shoes and drums look to be brand new.....and I am hunting around for a d60 to put in there.....so I think I will throw some smaller bucks at getting this back on the road, and work on the d60 plan in a bit. (plus....I have no way of getting a newer D44 home without my trucks bed (lol) )

btw, when I finally got it to stop, I was very happy about how the whole thing worked out......it could have been miles away from my house, it could have been on a busy street, I could have hit someone else......on a dirt road, .5 miles from home....where I could just leave it, and take care of it on my own......with only relatively minor damage.....no complaints here....only counting of blessings!

**special-K** · 02-28-2006, 09:25 AM

Maybe that bump was the tire falling off(drop),then rolling up under your truck(lift).Maybe???
Sorry,now that I looked back at the pictures,I see the hub intact on the spindle.

boundstaffpress · 02-28-2006, 10:52 AM

Bad times
Glad to hear you are all right.

harlyworkr · 02-28-2006, 11:21 AM

I have a 67 parts truck which might have everything you need to put her back on the road.. Drop me an email w/contact info and if it fits, I will send it all Free plus shipping.

shelby987 · 02-28-2006, 11:33 AM

PM sent!

**CPNE** · 02-28-2006, 11:41 AM

Bad news for you. Those 1970 3/4 ton 4x4's front end parts are one year only, due to it being the only year for an open knuckle drum FE. Your donor will have to be a 1970 3/4 ton 4x4 unless you change out the entire D44. You might want to check with Bill Athey 540 636-7405, He's a board vendor and I sent a complete 70 3/4 ton 4x4 D44 FE down to him several years ago. It had the backing plates but the drums were gone.

You may want to find a disk brake D44 and replace the whole thing at this point. I feel doing that for the sake of disk brakes alone is foolish, but from the parts interchangeability and availability, it's well worth it.

**Canadian694x4** · 02-28-2006, 08:15 PM

Wow...That sux. Glad to see you made out alright for the circumstances.

70-Chevy · 02-28-2006, 09:36 PM

I have a 70 c-10 1/2 ton and I re-did my brakes about 2 weeks ago. I got all new hardware, pads, wheel cylinders and drums from advance auto. If its not in stock, im sure they can order it all for you and have it next day. Try your luck there. Best of luck to ya with that. Just be happy theres no body damage.

shelby987 · 02-28-2006, 09:54 PM

will open knuckle/closed knuckle change the backing plates and drum brake hardware?

**CPNE** · 02-28-2006, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shelby987

will open knuckle/closed knuckle change the backing plates and drum brake hardware?

All I kmow is the drum and spindle are unique because of the larger diameter studs that were used on 70 3/4 tons vs 67-69. I don't know about shoes and backing plates

02-27-2006, 09:34 PM	#1
shelby987 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Just outside Durham, NC Posts: 894	Got passed by my own tire! Yes, did some work on the hubs this weekend.....put everything back together, I know I wrenched on all the lugs pretty hard.....but it looks like the lugs on the drivers side managed to loosen themselves over the last 100 miles.......so here is my problem.....what do I need to get this rig back on the road? I have found both brake pads, and the drum, but the springs, the adjuster, and the backing plate of axle seem to be gone or ground flat......am I gonna be able to find all of this stuff at napa/advanced/autozone....anywhere? Parts numbers would be appreciated. Also, is there any serious damage I should look out for? For anyone wondering, I managed to make it about 600 feet down the road.....hit a bump hard, hit the ground, lost all steering and couldn't get the damn thing to stop.....managed to get it slowed down enough before putting it into a 12' deep ditch....during all of this I was fortunate enough to see the tire fly past me.....found it 400 feet behind me.....and the drum 300 feet behind the truck.....the good news, it was on an empty dirt road....no one around, and I was able to leave the truck there while I walked to my house about half a mile down the road.......got my car, bought some lug nuts, jacked up the truck, got the wheel back on, and drove the poor girl home at 5mph. Attached Images __________________ 1969 SS 350 Camaro Sold 2008 1970 3/4T K20, stock height with 33's, 250 I6, 3 on the tree, and locked front and rear 4.10's 1980 Chevy Malibu 2 dr Sold 2007 1993 Olds. Cutlass Ciera Wagon Traded 2006 2003 Saturn L200 w/5pd. D/D My list spans 5 decades with One common thread.....GM!

02-27-2006, 09:40 PM	#2
Medicanman71 Account Suspended Join Date: May 2005 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 696	Re: Got passed by my own tire! Damn what a bummer, glad it wasnt 10000000X worse... sorry i cant help. as far as your wheel and tire flying off, seems like you did not bad, no body damage! Couldnt have picked a better spot to fly off at either..

02-27-2006, 09:46 PM	#3
truckdude239 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lewisville, Nc Posts: 10,237	Re: Got passed by my own tire! yeah try carquest if you got one of them or any advance auto any major parts store should have the parts you need __________________ David fuller Ase Certified Mechanic Click here to help support our board!! 1971 Chevy c-10 under going a 4.8l LSx swap Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=421305 2007 Honda Accord my daily 145kmiles 2002 Honda Accord 4 door With 330k(sisters car) 2005 toyota Avalon 228k( brothers car) 2002 Sububran 5.3 245k 2000 Tahoe 5.3l 378 General manager for Marco's Carwash & lube

02-27-2006, 10:24 PM	#4
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	Re: Got passed by my own tire! Sounds like a good time to upgrade to a newer D44 or 10 bolt with disk brakes to me! Just be happy you didn't cause any major damage to your truck! __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap) Last edited by Russell; 02-27-2006 at 10:26 PM.

02-27-2006, 10:50 PM	#5
71SWBChevy Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Owensboro KY Posts: 11,905	Re: Got passed by my own tire! Damn man glad you and the truck are reletively ok. that really sucks! Nice truck though. __________________ Drew '71 Chevy 350/TH350 Hugger Orange Currently just a rolling frame, body work soon to follow!!! Check out my Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=212927 Daily Driver: 1997 Chevrolet S-10 with more gears than pistons

02-27-2006, 10:53 PM	#6
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	Re: Got passed by my own tire! i'd say a junkyard would be a good place to find a new backing plate, or you could check on the parts board//i really wouldn't place any faith on the one you drove down thw road on __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

02-28-2006, 03:28 AM	#9
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02-28-2006, 03:34 AM	#10
jsbgump Gone Fishing Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fort Worth, Texas 76135 Posts: 12,361	Re: Got passed by my own tire! That sucks. At least very little damage occured __________________ 68 Chevy Short Fleetside LSX Swap Under Way 3.73 posi 2.5/4 drop Frame of resto has been started 2022 Hyundai Tucson Limited 2019 Chevy Traverse Redline Edition Wifes Ride Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=1#post3483616

02-28-2006, 08:17 AM	#11
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,852	Re: Got passed by my own tire! So,the drum and wheel were seperate?Sounds like you didn`t finish that corner after your bearing service.I don`t know how one would effect the other.Sounds like your spindle nuts spun off.Was there a funny washer with tabs on it between the spindle nut?Glad it wasn`t worse!I`m sure someone could set you up with what you need right here in the parts section. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

02-28-2006, 09:04 AM	#12
shelby987 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Just outside Durham, NC Posts: 894	Re: Got passed by my own tire! no, the hub is still on there, there is a locking washer between the two spindle nuts....but the drum goes over the hub....when the wheel came off....the drum went with it.....not sure if it was before or after the front end hit the ground......looks like before as the drum is in good condition still.....I think that retorque after 100 miles is what nailed me.....with the washboard road I live on....I probably should have done it at 30 miles.....because I hit a deusie of a pot hole right before this happened....enough so that I think I actually traveled a couple of feet down the road before the axle hit the ground. I KNOW i need a new backing plate......4,000lbs truck + 50mph X down a dirt road = enough friction to sand the plate flat from round.....its not bent, its GONE! I am planning on doing the swap, but I JUST put the bearings in, the shoes and drums look to be brand new.....and I am hunting around for a d60 to put in there.....so I think I will throw some smaller bucks at getting this back on the road, and work on the d60 plan in a bit. (plus....I have no way of getting a newer D44 home without my trucks bed (lol) ) btw, when I finally got it to stop, I was very happy about how the whole thing worked out......it could have been miles away from my house, it could have been on a busy street, I could have hit someone else......on a dirt road, .5 miles from home....where I could just leave it, and take care of it on my own......with only relatively minor damage.....no complaints here....only counting of blessings! __________________ 1969 SS 350 Camaro Sold 2008 1970 3/4T K20, stock height with 33's, 250 I6, 3 on the tree, and locked front and rear 4.10's 1980 Chevy Malibu 2 dr Sold 2007 1993 Olds. Cutlass Ciera Wagon Traded 2006 2003 Saturn L200 w/5pd. D/D My list spans 5 decades with One common thread.....GM!

02-28-2006, 09:25 AM	#13
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,852	Re: Got passed by my own tire! Maybe that bump was the tire falling off(drop),then rolling up under your truck(lift).Maybe??? Sorry,now that I looked back at the pictures,I see the hub intact on the spindle. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~ Last edited by special-K; 02-28-2006 at 09:30 AM.

02-28-2006, 10:52 AM	#14
boundstaffpress Jamie Hyneman is my twin Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: La Junta, Colorado Posts: 705	Re: Got passed by my own tire! Bad times Glad to hear you are all right. __________________ Justin SOLD 1967 K10 Fleetside, 283, Front and Rear Posi SOLD Color Wiring Diagrams Now in High Resolution V8 and Cab and Cab and Chassis

02-28-2006, 11:21 AM	#15
harlyworkr Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kansas City Kansas Posts: 212	Re: Got passed by my own tire! I have a 67 parts truck which might have everything you need to put her back on the road.. Drop me an email w/contact info and if it fits, I will send it all Free plus shipping. Last edited by harlyworkr; 02-28-2006 at 11:21 AM.

02-28-2006, 11:33 AM	#16
shelby987 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Just outside Durham, NC Posts: 894	Re: Got passed by my own tire! PM sent! __________________ 1969 SS 350 Camaro Sold 2008 1970 3/4T K20, stock height with 33's, 250 I6, 3 on the tree, and locked front and rear 4.10's 1980 Chevy Malibu 2 dr Sold 2007 1993 Olds. Cutlass Ciera Wagon Traded 2006 2003 Saturn L200 w/5pd. D/D My list spans 5 decades with One common thread.....GM!

02-28-2006, 11:41 AM	#17
CPNE Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NH Posts: 6,664	Re: Got passed by my own tire! Bad news for you. Those 1970 3/4 ton 4x4's front end parts are one year only, due to it being the only year for an open knuckle drum FE. Your donor will have to be a 1970 3/4 ton 4x4 unless you change out the entire D44. You might want to check with Bill Athey 540 636-7405, He's a board vendor and I sent a complete 70 3/4 ton 4x4 D44 FE down to him several years ago. It had the backing plates but the drums were gone. You may want to find a disk brake D44 and replace the whole thing at this point. I feel doing that for the sake of disk brakes alone is foolish, but from the parts interchangeability and availability, it's well worth it. __________________ Currently on or near the homestead: 67 Chevy SWB 2WD stepside 350/3 on tree (Pat's) 67 GMC SWB 2WD Fleet 402/auto (Brian's under construction) 67 Chevy 3/4 ton 2WD 402/auto (Business Hauler) 67 Chevy 1 ton dually 2WD 396/4 speed (Former business hauler, Needs TLC) 68 Chevy 1/2 ton Suburban 2WD 250 six/3 on tree (Brian's Needs TLC) 70 Chevy 3/4 ton 4WD 350/4 speed (Pat's - Disguised as a 68 GMC) 71 Chevy SWB stepside (Crushed by tree - parts donor) 72 Chevy 3/4 ton 4WD (Parts donor) 72 Chevy 3/4 ton 4WD Suburban (Parts Donor) 72 GMC 3/4 ton 4WD 292 six/4 speed (Mine - Disguised as a 67 GMC) 81 GMC 4WD Dually Dump Body 350/4 speed (Business Hauler) 82 Camaro Z/28 355/Super T-10 (Pat's toy) 93 Caprice 9C1 (Brian's Cop Car) 02 Toyota Camry (Reliable but a souless steel and plastic hulk) 2011 2SS RS Camaro M6 Factory Hurst Shifter Maybe I need to sell some of this crap Yet another Bozo with a sawz-all



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02-28-2006, 08:15 PM	#18
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02-28-2006, 09:36 PM	#19
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02-28-2006, 09:54 PM	#20
shelby987 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Just outside Durham, NC Posts: 894	Re: Got passed by my own tire! will open knuckle/closed knuckle change the backing plates and drum brake hardware? __________________ 1969 SS 350 Camaro Sold 2008 1970 3/4T K20, stock height with 33's, 250 I6, 3 on the tree, and locked front and rear 4.10's 1980 Chevy Malibu 2 dr Sold 2007 1993 Olds. Cutlass Ciera Wagon Traded 2006 2003 Saturn L200 w/5pd. D/D My list spans 5 decades with One common thread.....GM!

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