Console drawings

[swervin ervin]

I made some drawings of my speaker box and console for those interested.

Let me know what you think.

Drawings

I plan on doing a article later on when I get more time to mess with it. I will get some photos of the console took apart. It has three sections because it is impossible to install in one. I believe the drawings, along with the photos will help you to understand what is involved in building it. This will really help anyone thinking about building one, since I have done most of the fitting for you.

[ocbaud]

thanks a lot mike

[PHOENIX]

Wow Mike your drawings came out pretty good. What did you use and how long did it take you (to do those drawings)?

[swervin ervin]

Eddie,

I used Paint Shop Pro 7.0. I worked off and on 2 or 3 nights, a few hours each night.

Can you make anything with these with the CAD program? I'm real interested in how it would look.

Mike

[bigblock73]

Mike, both Eddie and I draft, he uses AutoCAD and i use Microstation...either of us could draw you something up (at least I can, Eddie will chime in I'm sure).

Let us know.

-Jeff

BTW - you did a good job, prolly as good as either of us!

[swervin ervin]

Jeff,

reason I asked was Eddie said something about doing a CAD drawing with them. Is there such a thing as a three dimensional drawing you can do with this?

I was only thinking about trying to make it as easy for everyone as I could. This is a tough job and I thought if I could make the drawings easy to read, it would really help out. I guess between the drawings and photos I have, it will be easy enough. I got to get started on the article for this.

Mike

[79BIG10]

Mike looks great. I'm going to play with my cheap cad program for my own sake. I bet Eddie and Jeff can make it much better than I could.

[low 84]

yes mike you can make isometric drawings of it. i'm going to play with it for i while in auto cad and come up with something when i get a little free time. with the full version of Acad you can draw it so it can be rotatedand zoom in to the compartments and stuff, bascially navigate the whole drawing.

[low 84]

here is a crude drawing of the top piece that i did real quick. with some time it can be made to look good by addinf radiuses instead of hard lines but this shows you the potential of an iso view of the whole thing. it is blurry because i had to tranfer it through like 3 different programs to get it to come out in .jpg format. i still havent' figured out how to do that.



the dimisions on the sloped side lines are the actual length of the line not the height of the structure like you posted on your drawings, thats why they are different.

[swervin ervin]

Looks good Ryan. I like it.

Don't let me stop you now. I want to see how the console part turns out.

I'm going to take some photos of each component and show the measurements sort of like what you did. Of course, I'm not going to be as technical with them.

Again, looks good. Do some more.

Mike

[swervin ervin]

Check out these photos of the different sections of the console. I think this will help to figure out what is what, and why. I know the base may look a little low, but remember, mine sits on the seat frame.

Sections

Mike

[Prerunner1982]

someone wanna send me a copy of AutoCad. i had R14 for a few years but it seems to have disappeared, being i am a MET student it would come in handy...

jon

[PHOENIX]

Prerunner: I have both 14 and 2000. I like 14 better, 2000 just has way too much crap on there. I didnt spend the time to set it up my way. Shoot me an email!

Hey Swervin a 3d view should be no problem. Most of the work I do is in 3d. Ill try to turn those into 3d and see how they look. It may take me a little time though. I still have the work Im paid to do, to do (that sounded weird).

I will post them when Im complete.

Hey Jeff I never even seen micro station but here about it alot. Is it good? What would you say you like about it better the r14, if you do like it better then r14.

[bigblock73]

Eddie, it has beeen a long time since I have been on AutoCAD...since v12 I believe. All I really know is that Microstation seems more user friendly or simpler. We are going to switch to their newest version called V8 and in there you can work in both AutoCAD AND Microstation.

-Jeff

[PHOENIX]

Cad is just one of those things. Once you get use to one program its kinda hard to learn the ways of another program. I took some classes to use SolidWorks but that didnt work out. I caught on a little bit, but for the work I do here AutoCad is just alot easier to use. I guess it all depends on what you use it for.

Hey Mike it would help alot if I knew how thick the wood you are using is. Its kinda confusing me when trying to draw this. Also I dont understand how the front part (under dash) meets up with the base. The front of the base is 7-1/2" and the back of the front part (under dash) is 6-1/2". What happens at this connection to make them match up?

More pictures would help Im just a little confused on a few parts.

EDIT:
Console Top Drawings

[swervin ervin]

Eddie,

I used 1/2" for everything. Sorry bout that.

I see you are using the base dimensions for the drawing I made when the seat frame isn't in the way.

This is just a rough measurement I made because I didn't build mine this way. Anyway, where the 7 1/2" (base) ends and the 6 1/2" (front part) starts is where the junction is, at the corner of the 15 1/2" where the radius starts. There is a little ridge which runs across the tranny hump right there. Then as the console narrows down to 10 1/2", it gets higher on the tranny hump which raises the bottom up about 1". The front part is what will need triming from 6 1/2" at the 10 1/2" wide part up to 7 1/2" at the 15 1/2" wide part of the top. In other words, the radius is what will be trimmed from 6 1/2" to 7 1/2"'.

This is hard to explain and put in a drawing. All this trimming to fit the tranny hump and stuff was the hard part of all this. It's not an exact thing.

I hope this helps some. If not I'll try to explain it better.

Mike

[PHOENIX]

Hey Mike do you have a sketch and dimensions of each panel? That would make it sooooo much easier

Its kinda hard to tell the angles and what panel overlaps where. You know what I mean?

[swervin ervin]

No I sure don't.

Here is all the drawing I have so far.

Drawings

Check this photo I done today.

Console

Maybe the last one will help to understand what I was talking about above.

Oh yeah, I added some half round trim around the perimeter of the console so I can lay stuff on it and it won't fall off in the floor.

[70sChevys]

Very nice drawings and photos....Sure would look good in oak plywood with a clear stain....I have to get buckets first though....too many things on the Elky to do list to get to them this next year.

[low 84]

eddie, couple questions for you. i don't do cad professionaly or anything but i'm fairly profiecent at it. how do you get your dimensions to be in the 150 and 30 degree planes? it looks good that way. and also how do you convert the drawings to .jpg or other format to be posted? and also are you using the true 3d function to where you can rotate the drawing in the program or just 2d isometric?

[PHOENIX]

Im using AutoCAD R14 to do that drawing so any other program will be different then what I describe here:

In autocad you have a model space and a paper space. Model space is where you actualy draw/model the object or part. Paper space is where you have a title block and you can have a window(s) (command: "mview") for viewing the objects you have in model space. If you add the dimensions in the model space they will be at the same angle (or plane) as the object. If you add the dimensions in paper space they will be straight at you (not angled). There is also a command for angling your dimensions to match an objects angles (command:"dimedit" then press "o" for oblique). Choosing the "oblique" option under "dimedit" allows you to change the angle at which your dimensions is displayed.

AutoCad for some reason is not a very good program for turning your drawings into images. There is a command ("saveimg") that allows you to save the drawing as a bmp, tga, or tiff. This feature for some reason doesnt seem to be very clean looking. Instead what I do is zoom in as much as possible on that object, then press the "Print Scrn" button on your keyboard. The "Print Scrn" button copies your entire screen to your computers clip board. Then open up photo shop (or whatever you prefer) and paste it in there. In photoshop just open a new image, photoshop will automatically select the size of your clipboard image. Then just press paste or control+V to paste the image into the new photoshop image. Crop all the excess crap and save it in whatever format you prefer. I chose .jpg because anyone online can view it.

To model objects in 3d I almost always use solids (true 3d I guess you could call it). Solids take more time to generate, but can be easier to work on and usually look better. If you want the object to have a texture you can use the "render" command (not all that great in autocad). I usually export the 3d solid to 3dstudiomax for rendering. If you want the object to look like what i did below type "hide" for the command. Hide makes it look like a 2d isometric.

The two drawings are both the same object and dimensions, just at different angles.

Here is an example:
Hide Feature (AutoCad)
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~ecafferata/TNT01.jpg
Render Feature (3d Studio Max)
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~ecafferata/TNT.jpg

If you have any more questions, just shoot me an email. Id be happy to help you with anything I can.

[low 84]

thanks. i'm using autocad 2000 right now, but i learned on R10 and R12. never used R14, is it windows based? i found the function to change the dim angle so thats cool. i was doing them to follow the angle of the line like in the pic I posted above, but i think the way you did it flows a little better.

[PHOENIX]

I learned first on R12 also. The went to R13, R13 is the first step into a more windows based type program. It has buttons you can select or customize. R14 is one step above that with some nee features. 2000 is a step above R14, but has alot to work with and I never spent the time to customize it. 2000 doesnt has any features that r14 has that I need. But they did add some pretty slick stuff to it. R14 is very similar to 2000.

[low 84]

here is my latest version. i'm still playing with the opening and the top piece. this is fun stuff

[70sChevys]

Is Autocad 2000 windows based? I sure wouldn't mind learning how to use that one.....