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eightbanger · 03-11-2009, 10:09 AM

Can someone tell me what this is and more importantly how do I move it out of the way to remove my oil pan?...I'm doing this job right now and the pan gets hung up on this thing, can anyone help?
If I undo the bolt i'm pointing at will that remove it.

Thanks in advance.

**americanmusc1e** · 03-11-2009, 10:16 AM

the thing you are catching on is the oil pump pickup. the bolt you are pointing to is the oil pump bolt, remove it and the oil pump and pickup should come off

eightbanger · 03-11-2009, 10:21 AM

Your the man...americanmusc1e. I was sitting wondering how long it would be before I got a reply so I can get back out there and get this thing done.
You guys are the best and so is our board>>>>>

**michael bustamante** · 03-11-2009, 10:48 AM

when you remove the oil pump I believe theres a teflon washer sleeve that will break and youll have to replace it but theyre like 3 bucks and always available at the parts store

cdowns · 03-11-2009, 10:52 AM

there should b no need to remove the oil pump to get the pan off// once the pump is removed then you've got the distributor issues down the road on reassembly

Sinister · 03-11-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by cdowns

there should b no need to remove the oil pump to get the pan off// once the pump is removed then you've got the distributor issues down the road on reassembly

X2. Did you lift the motor up?

**LockDoc** · 03-11-2009, 11:03 AM

with cdowns. The pickup screen & tube should just pull out of the pump if you twist it back & forth a bit.

LockDoc

1968SWBBigBlock · 03-11-2009, 12:48 PM

You should be able to pull the pan without taking off the oil pump or the pick up and tube.
See if rotating the crank to get the crank arms up and out of the way will help
or
take out the center motor mount bolts and jack the engine up a couple of inches - slide a block of wood in between the motor mount and frame to leave the motor up while you change your pan

mr48chev · 03-11-2009, 01:17 PM

Before you jack up the engine take the fan shroud loose or the fan will hang up on it but yes if you haven't already taken the motor mounts loose and raised it a couple of inches do so.

Dropping the oil pump won't upset the distributor on a Chev small block as the distributor gear drives off the cam and the oil pump shaft fits in the bottom of the distributor.
Where you might run into a problem at reassembly is getting the oil pump shaft to bit back up in the slot in the distributor drive gear. That might take a bit of effort to get it in the right position.
From reading your first question this old auto shop teacher thinks that it would be prudent for you to head to the local book store and pick up a copy of "How to rebuild your small block Chevrolet" as a reference guide.

eightbanger · 03-11-2009, 02:38 PM

DOH!!! I removed it....I only just cleared up my tools and came in and saw all these other replies. Leon I tried pulling that pick up off first but it was not for moving and at that time I did not know if it even was supposed to come off...Dam! and jacking up the engine was not an option either as the truck is on wheel ramps and axle stands so I could remove the Tranny. Thanks all you guy for chiming in on this, seems I was a bit to impatient, Michael can you post a link maybe of a parts store that would have that Teflon sleeve, I doubt i'll find that here in the UK.

By the way I wanted to show you all what was laying in the bottom of the pan....I hope there is nothing important in this bent and broken junk.

Thanks for all the replies and help.

69Warrior · 03-11-2009, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LockDoc

with cdowns. The pickup screen & tube should just pull out of the pump if you twist it back & forth a bit.

LockDoc

with LockDoc 99.99%...though i have seen people throw a little tack weld on the pickup tube b4

69Warrior · 03-11-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by eightbanger

DOH!!! I removed it....I only just cleared up my tools and came in and saw all these other replies. Leon I tried pulling that pick up off first but it was not for moving and at that time I did not know if it even was supposed to come off...Dam! and jacking up the engine was not an option either as the truck is on wheel ramps and axle stands so I could remove the Tranny. Thanks all you guy for chiming in on this, seems I was a bit to impatient, Michael can you post a link maybe of a parts store that would have that Teflon sleeve, I doubt i'll find that here in the UK.

By the way I wanted to show you all what was laying in the bottom of the pan....I hope there is nothing important in this bent and broken junk.

Thanks for all the replies and help.

uuuum if that was in the bottom of the pan,,i'm pretty sure (and i'm no expert)that is bad...lol

gcburdic · 03-11-2009, 03:10 PM

uh-oh!!!!....That doesn't look good at all....ummmmm....does the engine run okay??

71 super · 03-11-2009, 03:14 PM

looks like there are parts of pushrod and maybe valve locks from previous problems???? Or current problems??? Was the motor supposed to be fresh? Pan does not look like it was....

eightbanger · 03-11-2009, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69Warrior

:though i have seen people throw a little tack weld on the pickup tube b4

Like this, seems mine falls into the tack welded category.

Geoff, 71super the motor was running fine just a bit tappety I only had tranny probs hence all this extra work since thats all been removed and i've got the access to everything else....hopefully it's the remainders of old probs cause my wallet can only handle one rebuild at a time.
I am wondering while the oil pump is out should I buy a new one, or can they be reconditioned?

gcburdic · 03-11-2009, 03:45 PM

The tapping could be many things......hopefully just an exhaust leak...you got headers??....I think you can buy oil pumps....what engine do you have in it??...Check summit racing(will they ship to the UK??).....if you have trouble getting one shipped, I'll order for you and send it from here....

EDIT...looks like you got a 454....does the oil pump look like this???http://www.kmjent.com/cart/product.php?productid=963

**michael bustamante** · 03-11-2009, 03:56 PM

I would just get on NAPA online or CSK online. Its a real common part to replace and found at just about any auto parts store, I didnt see you were in the uk. Wouldnt they have it wherever you got your oil pan gasket? Sorry I couldnt help you out more
http://www.napaonline.com/masterpage...te+Shaft+Guide
part #SEP22443343 on NAPA online
this looks like its for a multi pack but I bet if you call theyll ship you a single one, looks like you might need some other parts also???

eightbanger · 03-11-2009, 03:57 PM

That's kind of you Geoff, it has Hooker headers and a 454, think I will take the oportunity to replace the pump since it's been removed.

eightbanger · 03-11-2009, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michael bustamante

I would just get on NAPA online or CSK online. Its a real common part to replace and found at just about any auto parts store, I didnt see you were in the uk. Wouldnt they have it wherever you got your oil pan gasket? Sorry I couldnt help you out more

Thanks Michael you have helped, I usually buy my parts from Wes at Classic Heatrbeat or ClassicParts, costs a bloody fortune by the time I add shipping and a customs charge this end, but that's where i'll go for the new pan gasket.

**El Jay** · 03-11-2009, 04:07 PM

A new oil pump can be had for $20-30, American.
An oil pump "kit" which has the pump. pick up tube, pump drive, etc. costs about $65, American, maybe a tad more, but certainly not outrageous.
Those are "here" prices. I don't know about overseas shipping, customs, etc.

As a side note, when we (my son & I) built the engine for my boat, the guy at the machine shop said we should tack the pick up tube to the pump using Ni welding rod to guarantee it didn't vibrate loose.
His suggestion; install the pump and pick up with the pick up way too low & Then put the oil pan into place to push the pick up tube up. Lift the pan off and raise the pick up about 1/2" & then tack it.
There is a slight chance of arcing across the crank & bearings, so I always take a marker & "index" the pump & pick up tube and do the tack weld on the bench.

Lastly, for whatever it's worth, the machine shop where I learned this has had tons of race car engines come out of that shop. The racers keep going back.
And, I've done some other engines after the boat & always did the same thing.

Andy4639 · 03-11-2009, 05:36 PM

These look like lifters.
Surely this is from a old motor problem.

eightbanger · 03-11-2009, 05:40 PM

Man I hope so!!

**Green Machine** · 03-11-2009, 06:15 PM

Looks like a plastic sleeve from the oil pump shaft, some teeth from plastic coated timing gear and some remains of a push rod. Tap the pickup screen on the pump, bet you will find some more stuff in there.

**LockDoc** · 03-11-2009, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eightbanger

Man I hope so!!

I can Just about guarantee it's from an earlier problem or your motor wouldn't be running at all...

Glad to see you got it disassembled.

LockDoc

Bob 68327 · 03-11-2009, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Green Machine

Looks like a plastic sleeve from the oil pump shaft, some teeth from plastic coated timing gear and some remains of a push rod. Tap the pickup screen on the pump, bet you will find some more stuff in there.

03-11-2009, 10:09 AM	#1
eightbanger 454 MAKES IT ROAR Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Essex, U.K Posts: 2,701	Help with oil pan removal............. Can someone tell me what this is and more importantly how do I move it out of the way to remove my oil pan?...I'm doing this job right now and the pan gets hung up on this thing, can anyone help? If I undo the bolt i'm pointing at will that remove it. Thanks in advance. __________________ Nigel. An American living in a British body. 1971 Chevy Cheyenne 10 454 "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty" - Thomas Jefferson No more pain. 03.12.60 -- 12.28.10 http://www.youtube.com/Eightbanger

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americanmusc1e Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,079	Re: Help with oil pan removal............. the thing you are catching on is the oil pump pickup. the bolt you are pointing to is the oil pump bolt, remove it and the oil pump and pickup should come off __________________ -- Josh Instagram: @americanmusc1e OLD SKOOL-- 1970 C10. 454/Th400/3.07 posi Build Thread FARM TRUCK----1949 Chevrolet 3800 Power Wagon Hauler Build Thread 1999 4wd OBS Tahoe - daily. DM me if you can't see photos i posted

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eightbanger 454 MAKES IT ROAR Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Essex, U.K Posts: 2,701	Re: Help with oil pan removal............. Your the man...americanmusc1e. I was sitting wondering how long it would be before I got a reply so I can get back out there and get this thing done. You guys are the best and so is our board>>>>> __________________ Nigel. An American living in a British body. 1971 Chevy Cheyenne 10 454 "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty" - Thomas Jefferson No more pain. 03.12.60 -- 12.28.10 http://www.youtube.com/Eightbanger

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michael bustamante Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Albuquerque NM Posts: 7,848	Re: Help with oil pan removal............. when you remove the oil pump I believe theres a teflon washer sleeve that will break and youll have to replace it but theyre like 3 bucks and always available at the parts store __________________ 1967custom

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cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	Re: Help with oil pan removal............. there should b no need to remove the oil pump to get the pan off// once the pump is removed then you've got the distributor issues down the road on reassembly __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY Last edited by cdowns; 03-11-2009 at 10:55 AM.

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1968SWBBigBlock Active Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,643	Re: Help with oil pan removal............. You should be able to pull the pan without taking off the oil pump or the pick up and tube. See if rotating the crank to get the crank arms up and out of the way will help or take out the center motor mount bolts and jack the engine up a couple of inches - slide a block of wood in between the motor mount and frame to leave the motor up while you change your pan __________________ 1968 SWB 454 + .040, 490HP x 540 FT pounds of Torque 10-1 Kb Forged pistons, recon rods w/ ARP wave loc bolts 781 heads Ported with 2.19/1.88 SSTvalves Lunati 60204 cam, Micro Trol lifters, Ported Edelbrock Performer Rpm manifold armor coated, Pertronix Triple Strike Ignition Holley 770 Street Avenger carb,Headers armor coated Built by Watson Ruppel Performance in Sarahsville Ohio. Hardshift Tranny Built Turbo 350,TSI 10" 3000 stall 12 Bolt Eaton Posi 4.10 Richmond Gears moser axles 18.5" x 31" Hoosier Pro Street Radials ET Classic 5 Wheels - polished Power Steering, Power Brakes,Disc Brakes,Tach & Gauge Dash, Tilt,Factory Air (gone) Custom Paint & Body Work Special thanks to my wife, my son and my money tree

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mr48chev Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toppenish, WA Posts: 15,451	Re: Help with oil pan removal............. Before you jack up the engine take the fan shroud loose or the fan will hang up on it but yes if you haven't already taken the motor mounts loose and raised it a couple of inches do so. Dropping the oil pump won't upset the distributor on a Chev small block as the distributor gear drives off the cam and the oil pump shaft fits in the bottom of the distributor. Where you might run into a problem at reassembly is getting the oil pump shaft to bit back up in the slot in the distributor drive gear. That might take a bit of effort to get it in the right position. From reading your first question this old auto shop teacher thinks that it would be prudent for you to head to the local book store and pick up a copy of "How to rebuild your small block Chevrolet" as a reference guide.

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eightbanger 454 MAKES IT ROAR Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Essex, U.K Posts: 2,701	Re: Help with oil pan removal............. DOH!!! I removed it....I only just cleared up my tools and came in and saw all these other replies. Leon I tried pulling that pick up off first but it was not for moving and at that time I did not know if it even was supposed to come off...Dam! and jacking up the engine was not an option either as the truck is on wheel ramps and axle stands so I could remove the Tranny. Thanks all you guy for chiming in on this, seems I was a bit to impatient, Michael can you post a link maybe of a parts store that would have that Teflon sleeve, I doubt i'll find that here in the UK. By the way I wanted to show you all what was laying in the bottom of the pan....I hope there is nothing important in this bent and broken junk. Thanks for all the replies and help. __________________ Nigel. An American living in a British body. 1971 Chevy Cheyenne 10 454 "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty" - Thomas Jefferson No more pain. 03.12.60 -- 12.28.10 http://www.youtube.com/Eightbanger

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gcburdic Restoration Virgin! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 8,298	Re: Help with oil pan removal............. The tapping could be many things......hopefully just an exhaust leak...you got headers??....I think you can buy oil pumps....what engine do you have in it??...Check summit racing(will they ship to the UK??).....if you have trouble getting one shipped, I'll order for you and send it from here.... EDIT...looks like you got a 454....does the oil pump look like this???http://www.kmjent.com/cart/product.php?productid=963 __________________ Geoff with a G 1968 Chevy C10 SWB The Mistress 1972 Custom Deluxe C20 Suburban A Suburban Named Isabella 1966 Ford Mustang Mama's High School Graduation Present Last edited by gcburdic; 03-11-2009 at 03:50 PM.

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michael bustamante Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Albuquerque NM Posts: 7,848	Re: Help with oil pan removal............. I would just get on NAPA online or CSK online. Its a real common part to replace and found at just about any auto parts store, I didnt see you were in the uk. Wouldnt they have it wherever you got your oil pan gasket? Sorry I couldnt help you out more http://www.napaonline.com/masterpage...te+Shaft+Guide part #SEP22443343 on NAPA online this looks like its for a multi pack but I bet if you call theyll ship you a single one, looks like you might need some other parts also??? __________________ 1967custom Last edited by michael bustamante; 03-11-2009 at 03:57 PM.

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eightbanger 454 MAKES IT ROAR Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Essex, U.K Posts: 2,701	Re: Help with oil pan removal............. That's kind of you Geoff, it has Hooker headers and a 454, think I will take the oportunity to replace the pump since it's been removed. __________________ Nigel. An American living in a British body. 1971 Chevy Cheyenne 10 454 "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty" - Thomas Jefferson No more pain. 03.12.60 -- 12.28.10 http://www.youtube.com/Eightbanger Last edited by eightbanger; 03-11-2009 at 03:57 PM.

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El Jay Gone to greener pastures Join Date: May 2007 Location: Gateway to the Delta Posts: 7,354	Re: Help with oil pan removal............. A new oil pump can be had for $20-30, American. An oil pump "kit" which has the pump. pick up tube, pump drive, etc. costs about $65, American, maybe a tad more, but certainly not outrageous. Those are "here" prices. I don't know about overseas shipping, customs, etc. As a side note, when we (my son & I) built the engine for my boat, the guy at the machine shop said we should tack the pick up tube to the pump using Ni welding rod to guarantee it didn't vibrate loose. His suggestion; install the pump and pick up with the pick up way too low & Then put the oil pan into place to push the pick up tube up. Lift the pan off and raise the pick up about 1/2" & then tack it. There is a slight chance of arcing across the crank & bearings, so I always take a marker & "index" the pump & pick up tube and do the tack weld on the bench. Lastly, for whatever it's worth, the machine shop where I learned this has had tons of race car engines come out of that shop. The racers keep going back. And, I've done some other engines after the boat & always did the same thing. __________________ '69 Chevy 1/2 T LWB Stepper: Daily Beater '72 GMC 3/4 T Fleet: Another Daily Beater '72 Plymouth Gran Coupe: ? "Ah women. They make the highs higher and the lows more frequent." Friedrich Nietzsche "Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day." Harry S. Truman GUN CONTROL: Never having to say, "I missed you." Always fire two warning shots into your attacker's chest area before putting a bullet between his eyes. Paraphrased from Louis Awerbuck Last edited by El Jay; 03-11-2009 at 04:10 PM.



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