suspension and brakes

[bigboybodry]

well I am starting on the front and rear brakes and was looking a cpp tubular control arms what you guys think. I was looking to drop some weight and gain some stopping power.

[ripdog28]

I have a mix, CPP upper and Performance Online lower arms. no reason really. Also 2in drop spindils and Disc brakes all 4 corners.

[Super73]

Just wondering if anyone has actually weighed the stock arms against a tubular upper / lower arm. I honestly think the majority of our front suspension weight is in the spindle/disk/caliper.

[fastwillie 696969]

well once i get my cpp upper tubular a arms this week ,i let you know how much they weigh compared to stock a arms ,im sure there's a difference since tubular is less material
im sure with the lower a arms alot of weight is lost there alone,

[bigboybodry]

I was thinking a set of drop spindles, aluminum calipers,tubular upper and lower control arms, and ss brake lines for the front. My brother has a 2000 trans am that is wrecked I was going to get the rear brakes off of if they will work.

[ripdog28]

Weight may only be a few pounds possibly 10-15 each. But the biggest gain is the geometry the new ones have compared to the old ones.

[Super73]

Originally Posted by fastwillie 696969

well once i get my cpp upper tubular a arms this week ,i let you know how much they weigh compared to stock a arms ,im sure there's a difference since tubular is less material
im sure with the lower a arms alot of weight is lost there alone,

I'm not soo sure.. The factory front arms are stamped steel.
Uppers with out ball joint and cross shaft = 5lbs each.
Lower control arm with out cross shaft and ball joint = 17lbs each

Originally Posted by bigboybodry

I was thinking a set of drop spindles, aluminum calipers,tubular upper and lower control arms, and ss brake lines for the front. My brother has a 2000 trans am that is wrecked I was going to get the rear brakes off of if they will work.

I had a water jet place cut me some backing plates for 4th gen rear calipers I had laying around. I drew it up with measurements and they cut them from .25" flat stock. I am using a caprice rotor which is 5x5 bolt pattern.

Originally Posted by ripdog28

Weight may only be a few pounds possibly 10-15 each. But the biggest gain is the geometry the new ones have compared to the old ones.

For what I do, I'm not sure the geometry is going to do much for me If memory serves we were able to get like 6-7* of caster out of my truck on the factory arms. It drives straight as an arrow even at 128mph. For me there would have to be a big weight savings for me to go with them. The reason I am holding out for eiher a mustang 2 front or the front end that a board member is developing. I though about C5 stuff too..

[Magnimike1]

I've looked at the tubular stuff alot and I have found in reading that they actually weigh a few more pounds than stock.

I would consider a Mustang II type suspension to save a little weight because of being able to go rack n pinion and coil overs.

[bigboybodry]

Originally Posted by Super73

I'm not soo sure.. The factory front arms are stamped steel.
Uppers with out ball joint and cross shaft = 5lbs each.
Lower control arm with out cross shaft and ball joint = 17lbs each





I had a water jet place cut me some backing plates for 4th gen rear calipers I had laying around. I drew it up with measurements and they cut them from .25" flat stock. I am using a caprice rotor which is 5x5 bolt pattern.





For what I do, I'm not sure the geometry is going to do much for me If memory serves we were able to get like 6-7* of caster out of my truck on the factory arms. It drives straight as an arrow even at 128mph. For me there would have to be a big weight savings for me to go with them. The reason I am holding out for eiher a mustang 2 front or the front end that a board member is developing. I though about C5 stuff too..

so I'm going to have a caliper/backing plate made to make the 4th gen camaro brakes to work? the stock cannot be modified to work?

[bigboybodry]

Originally Posted by Magnimike1

I've looked at the tubular stuff alot and I have found in reading that they actually weigh a few more pounds than stock.

I would consider a Mustang II type suspension to save a little weight because of being able to go rack n pinion and coil overs.

All the mustang II front ends I have seen the wheel and tires look a lot futher
in closer to the frame. Is it just me or does it take the spindle futher in?

[Super73]

I did not have the backing plates, but I do believe others on this page may have tried it. That is why another member here was making backing plates at one time for both the Camaro and Caprice calipers using Caprice rotors. If you have them, put them on and take some measurements. Can't hurt to look them over on the rear. But make sure they line up.

[Captainfab]

Member glockisp35 was the one that originally was selling the Camaro caliper brackets. Then after he decided to quit selling them, I took over. The Camaro caliper brackets that I sell use the '93-'97 F-body calipers with the '94-'96 Impala SS/Caprice rotors for the 5x5 wheel pattern. I have naother bracket for those with the 6x5.5 wheel pattern. I currently have 4 different rear disc brake conversion brackets, but none that work with the 4th Gen F-body.

[Super73]

I'm assuming you mean you don't sell brackets for LS1 F-body since you mention having a bracket for 93-97 F-body? I was honestly tempted to have the water jetting place make 10 sets, but I didn't want to get in on somone elses business. Come to think of it, there are probably 4-5 items I could have made that I have already done on my truck.. Maybe someday.

[bigboybodry]

Well I just ordered the cpp drop spindles,tubular upper and lower a arms also picked up a front wilwood brakes with slotted/drilled rotors.
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[Super73]

Right on.. What calipers did you order? Any chance you feel like weighing it all when you get it in? Thanks in advance.

[Captainfab]

That is correct.

Originally Posted by Super73

I'm assuming you mean you don't sell brackets for LS1 F-body since you mention having a bracket for 93-97 F-body? I was honestly tempted to have the water jetting place make 10 sets, but I didn't want to get in on somone elses business. Come to think of it, there are probably 4-5 items I could have made that I have already done on my truck.. Maybe someday.

[bigboybodry]

Man I don't think this is going to drop much weight off the truck but it sure looks better.

[softballnrd27]

Would you mind throwing it all on a scale before you install it?(just 1 side)

[taank]

Originally Posted by bigboybodry

Man I don't think this is going to drop much weight off the truck but it sure looks better.

What are your 1/4 mile times?
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[fastwillie 696969]

Originally Posted by ripdog28

I have a mix, CPP upper and Performance Online lower arms. no reason really. Also 2in drop spindils and Disc brakes all 4 corners.

cpp makes all the tubular a arm for everyone except for hotckis set up

[fastwillie 696969]

how long did it take you to get your order from cpp ,im still waiting on my upper arms .they said it was backorder had to make them ,i called about 3 times now they said send them out today or monday .i heard that before twice .

[bigboybodry]

My mother lives in ca. so she just picked them up and next day aired them to me.I think it was the second when I called and bought them and they didn't say anything about them being on backorder. They did however backorder the heavy duty c-notch kit and rear ss brake lines at that time. I have recieved a email this morning that those items sound be here by thursday the 9th.

[bigboybodry]

Originally Posted by taank

What are your 1/4 mile times?
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never run the 1/4 but she'll get down in 4 country light poles.

[taank]

Originally Posted by bigboybodry

never run the 1/4 but she'll get down in 4 country light poles.

Isn't the YouTube link in your sig at the track?
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[bigboybodry]

Originally Posted by taank

Isn't the YouTube link in your sig at the track?
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That was an old 468 with cast heads in the 1/8 it ran 6.9 all day long driving it there and driving it home for 6 years +/-. I haven't ran this new setup yet still trying to get the bugs worked out.