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stomper · 11-06-2011, 11:43 AM

Did my research and found 2 choices from Summit for my SBC. One had a picture that looked like it would work
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-354353/

the other - no pix on Summit website
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-03965588/

Information sort of lacking on Summit but determined one was for BBC so I ordered the other. I assumed it's the correct one for my SBC.

Now I see Sallee Chevrolet lists these:
http://www.sallee-chevrolet.com/Star...arts/index.cfm
#03965588 - Starter Brace BBC 168 Tooth,
#03965589 - Starter Brace SBC 168 Tooth,
#00354353 - Starter Brace 153 Tooth.

Summit sells a 153 tooth flywheel starter brace for SBC and not a 168 tooth? GRrrrr... I'm just venting now.

Can anyone reply that you got part number X from vendor Y and it worked for your 168 tooth flywheel SBC?

**LockDoc** · 11-06-2011, 11:51 AM

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I would just cut that one off, drill a hole for the stud, and bolt it up. If you had to you could elongate the hole a little for some "wiggle" room. That one has a slot in it anyway so elongating the drilled hole wouldn't hurt anything.

Just my 2¢ worth..

LockDoc

cdowns · 11-06-2011, 12:10 PM

that sure wood seem 2 b the fastest bestest way to get it done

stomper · 11-06-2011, 12:43 PM

Thanks for the quick reply guys. I wish the solution was that simple. Unfortunately it's not as easy as drilling a hole in the brace. In the photo the starter and brace are fastened tightly to the block. What you can't see is there is a little space between the stud and edge of the brace. The brace does not have any 'meat' around the stud for a hole.

If I drill a hole in the brace at the proper height, fastening it down would pull the FWD end of the starter toward the block and the nose away from the flexplate. The purpose of the brace is to help keep the starter gear engaged with the flexplate.

I could smash and bend this brace so that it fit - but gee I just spent $10 for a proper part. I might as well start with a piece of angle... ...and I'm going for a nice clean install so a smashed brace or piece of farm engineering is not what I want.

Anybody know what GM part #03965589 looks like or if it works for sure and where you got it?

**too much stuff** · 11-06-2011, 01:23 PM

3965589 looks a little different than what you have. There is no slot. It is listed for a 66-70 small block. It is still available from GM for less than $10

bigkountry · 11-06-2011, 01:47 PM

You could always do a pie cut relief towards the top, bend it out to the correct angle, weld the relief spot, grind it down and rattle can it. Then you could do the elongated hole like suggested above and it would look like it was made to fit.

stomper · 11-06-2011, 10:35 PM

Found a pic

http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/results...number=3965589

Looks like what I need but I thought that about the other one....

Ill give it a try on my next parts order.
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Livrat · 11-07-2011, 01:28 AM

Jared, just stop on by the shop and I'll give you one, bring the one you have so we can make sure you do not get a wrong one

*stich626* · 11-07-2011, 01:47 AM

heat the brace at the top just under the bolt holding it to the block and give it a little bend.. then cut a hole for the stud.. no one will know after you paint it and it'll now work with both starter types..

FLEET72 · 11-07-2011, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomper

Thanks for the quick reply guys. I wish the solution was that simple. Unfortunately it's not as easy as drilling a hole in the brace. In the photo the starter and brace are fastened tightly to the block. What you can't see is there is a little space between the stud and edge of the brace. The brace does not have any 'meat' around the stud for a hole.

If I drill a hole in the brace at the proper height, fastening it down would pull the FWD end of the starter toward the block and the nose away from the flexplate. The purpose of the brace is to help keep the starter gear engaged with the flexplate.

I could smash and bend this brace so that it fit - but gee I just spent $10 for a proper part. I might as well start with a piece of angle... ...and I'm going for a nice clean install so a smashed brace or piece of farm engineering is not what I want.

Anybody know what GM part #03965589 looks like or if it works for sure and where you got it?

I think LockDoc Meant:

stomper · 11-07-2011, 03:13 PM

Fleet72 - DOH! OK I'm an idiot. That should work.

Mark - Thanks. Fleet72 has pointed out a good solution. I'm sure I'll see you soon anyway. PM'ing you a question

11-06-2011, 11:43 AM	#1
stomper Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,701	Starter Brace or Bracket - What can I do? Did my research and found 2 choices from Summit for my SBC. One had a picture that looked like it would work http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-354353/ the other - no pix on Summit website http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-03965588/ Information sort of lacking on Summit but determined one was for BBC so I ordered the other. I assumed it's the correct one for my SBC. Now I see Sallee Chevrolet lists these: http://www.sallee-chevrolet.com/Star...arts/index.cfm #03965588 - Starter Brace BBC 168 Tooth, #03965589 - Starter Brace SBC 168 Tooth, #00354353 - Starter Brace 153 Tooth. Summit sells a 153 tooth flywheel starter brace for SBC and not a 168 tooth? GRrrrr... I'm just venting now. Can anyone reply that you got part number X from vendor Y and it worked for your 168 tooth flywheel SBC? Attached Images __________________ "I was patina when patina wasn't cool." 1973 Cheyenne SWB Sunset Gold / Frost White / Saddle

11-06-2011, 11:51 AM	#2
LockDoc The Older Generation Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Posts: 25,773	Re: Starter Brace or Bracket - What can I do? - I would just cut that one off, drill a hole for the stud, and bolt it up. If you had to you could elongate the hole a little for some "wiggle" room. That one has a slot in it anyway so elongating the drilled hole wouldn't hurt anything. Just my 2¢ worth.. LockDoc __________________ Leon Locksmith, Specializing In Antique Trucks, Automobiles, & Motorcycles (My Dually Pickup Project Thread) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=829820 -

11-06-2011, 12:10 PM	#3
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	Re: Starter Brace or Bracket - What can I do? that sure wood seem 2 b the fastest bestest way to get it done __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

11-06-2011, 12:43 PM	#4
stomper Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,701	Re: Starter Brace or Bracket - What can I do? Thanks for the quick reply guys. I wish the solution was that simple. Unfortunately it's not as easy as drilling a hole in the brace. In the photo the starter and brace are fastened tightly to the block. What you can't see is there is a little space between the stud and edge of the brace. The brace does not have any 'meat' around the stud for a hole. If I drill a hole in the brace at the proper height, fastening it down would pull the FWD end of the starter toward the block and the nose away from the flexplate. The purpose of the brace is to help keep the starter gear engaged with the flexplate. I could smash and bend this brace so that it fit - but gee I just spent $10 for a proper part. I might as well start with a piece of angle... ...and I'm going for a nice clean install so a smashed brace or piece of farm engineering is not what I want. Anybody know what GM part #03965589 looks like or if it works for sure and where you got it? __________________ "I was patina when patina wasn't cool." 1973 Cheyenne SWB Sunset Gold / Frost White / Saddle

11-06-2011, 01:23 PM	#5
too much stuff Roadtrip! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Grand Rapids MN Posts: 13,787	Re: Starter Brace or Bracket - What can I do? 3965589 looks a little different than what you have. There is no slot. It is listed for a 66-70 small block. It is still available from GM for less than $10 __________________ 67 gmc custom lwb dakota truck. Sold...And bought back 69 swb 4x4 project (in progress) 70 c-10 lwb texas truck 70 4x4/BB/bkts/posi/tach(retired) 70 swb (wifes) 70 jimmy camper 71 K-5 factory 2wd 71 cheyenne 4x4/tach/posi/ plow rig 71 Cheyenne20 BB, buckets, tach, tilt, 4 speed 72 jimmy CST wyoming rig 72 jimmy Colorado rig 72 lifted texas 4x4 3/4 ton burb 65 fury conv. 383/auto 65 chrysler 300 "L" 413 auto

11-06-2011, 01:47 PM	#6
bigkountry Family Man Join Date: May 2010 Location: Western Kentucky Posts: 80	Re: Starter Brace or Bracket - What can I do? You could always do a pie cut relief towards the top, bend it out to the correct angle, weld the relief spot, grind it down and rattle can it. Then you could do the elongated hole like suggested above and it would look like it was made to fit. __________________ 70 SWB....in peices waiting for the new shop to be built!

11-06-2011, 10:35 PM	#7
stomper Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,701	Re: Starter Brace or Bracket - What can I do? Found a pic http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/results...number=3965589 Looks like what I need but I thought that about the other one.... Ill give it a try on my next parts order. Posted via Mobile Device __________________ "I was patina when patina wasn't cool." 1973 Cheyenne SWB Sunset Gold / Frost White / Saddle

11-07-2011, 01:28 AM	#8
Livrat Member #1049 Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Troy Montana Posts: 3,940	Re: Starter Brace or Bracket - What can I do? Jared, just stop on by the shop and I'll give you one, bring the one you have so we can make sure you do not get a wrong one

11-07-2011, 01:47 AM	#9
stich626 Account Suspended Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: hingham ma Posts: 1,721	Re: Starter Brace or Bracket - What can I do? heat the brace at the top just under the bolt holding it to the block and give it a little bend.. then cut a hole for the stud.. no one will know after you paint it and it'll now work with both starter types..

11-07-2011, 03:13 PM	#11
stomper Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,701	Re: Starter Brace or Bracket - What can I do? Fleet72 - DOH! OK I'm an idiot. That should work. Mark - Thanks. Fleet72 has pointed out a good solution. I'm sure I'll see you soon anyway. PM'ing you a question __________________ "I was patina when patina wasn't cool." 1973 Cheyenne SWB Sunset Gold / Frost White / Saddle



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