The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network







Register or Log In To remove these advertisements.

Go Back   The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network > 47 - Current classic GM Trucks > The 1960 - 1966 Chevrolet & GMC Pickups Message Board

Web 67-72chevytrucks.com


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-28-2011, 01:14 AM   #1
jonathan-m
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Phoenix Az
Posts: 432
Powder coating an entire truck

Has any one ever tried this? I've been seriously contemplating it for a little while now. I'm thinking powder coated, then pin striped would be pretty sick.
The only real draw back I can think of would be repairing it if damaged, but even that doesn't seem too bad. Any thoughts?

And most importantly, can anyone point me in the direction of a good powder coating shop and a pin striper in the phoenix area? I've been doing some searching but haven't been able to find anything that looked good.
__________________
Rockin' a '66 and loving every minute of it
jonathan-m is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2011, 01:25 AM   #2
brap999
Registered User
 
brap999's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Springfield, VA
Posts: 223
Re: Powder coating an entire truck

This can certainly be done, and has been done. Your biggest issue as you pointed out is that if there is any damage, getting it repaired will be a PITA.

Having to remove powder coating by sanding or even sand blasting is not fun.

Also, there are tons of body shops that do paint, but fewer places that can powder coat so your options get limited.

I found another site where some guys were discussing this, you might find it interesting before you make a decision:

http://forum.caswellplating.com/powd...whole-car.html
__________________
1963 Chevrolet C10 Stepside
1972 Pontiac GTO
1998 Dodge Viper GTS
1999 Jeep Cherokee XJ
2018 Chevy Camaro ZL1-1LE
It's never too early to beef up my obituary
brap999 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2011, 01:34 AM   #3
Captainfab
60-66 Nut

 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho
Posts: 23,252
Re: Powder coating an entire truck

Check this one out.......

http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=430420
__________________
Power Steering Box Adapter Plates For Sale HERE
Power Brake Booster Adapter Brackets For Sale '63-'66 HERE and '67-'72 HERE and '60-'62 HERE and "60-'62 with clutch HERE
Rear Disc Brake Brackets For Sale. Impala SS calipers HERE Camaro Calipers HERE D52 Calipers HERE 6 Lug HERE
Hydroboost Mounting Plates HERE
Captainfab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2011, 02:40 AM   #4
markeb01
Senior Enthusiast
 
markeb01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Spokane Valley, WA
Posts: 8,356
Re: Powder coating an entire truck

I would suggest the biggest potential problem with powder coating an entire truck isn’t damage repair, it’s the possibility of rust forming under the powder coating on sheet metal parts. I had quite a bit of high quality powder coating done on my truck back in 1998. Heavy steel parts like frames and wheels absorb and retain great heat to fully cure the paint. This doesn’t always happen with thin sheet metal parts. Oven and paint temperature aren’t as important as duration and metal temperature in curing powder paint. And items with many nooks and crannies may not retain a sufficient quantity of dry powder to prevent rust, as can be easily accomplished with conventional liquid paint.

Body parts I had coated gloss black included the grille support, cowl vent, and tailgate. Powder paint is easy to sand and prep like normal paint, so when I reshot my truck in Blitz Black I just sanded the grille support and painted over it. The cowl vent remains gloss black in excellent condition. However after a couple of years I noticed a large quantity of small bubbles on the tailgate. I was amazed how much rust had formed under the paint and essentially went unnoticed because of the thickness of the finish. The entire tailgate was nearly destroyed by extensive rust and had to be stripped, blasted, and heavy body filler applied to fill all the deep pits. I was heart broken with the amount of damage as this had been an original rust free part. It failed either because the paint didn’t cure well enough, or there were just too many seams that didn’t get completely filled with the dry powder paint.

I’ve read a lot of web posts since then discovering many others have experienced similar failures. One was an oil pan that rusted badly under the powder coating. The owner didn’t detect the problem until the pan actually started leaking!

I’m a strong supporter of powder coating having had very good results with it. But with all the gaps and joints in a 60-66 cab I would be very concerned about future rust. Also, at the time I had most of mine done there was no body filler or epoxy that could be used to smooth sheet metal. The oven temperatures would create air bubbles and ruin the finish. There was talk of suitable fillers in development, so perhaps there is something available on the market now.
markeb01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2011, 03:13 PM   #5
1Bad62Pro/Street
"Where were you in '62?"
 
1Bad62Pro/Street's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Cleveland County, North Cackalacky
Posts: 5,013
Thumbs up Re: Powder coating an entire truck

How about RustOleum Stops Rust on the entire truck?
Rust-Oleum Stops Rust Protective Enamel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/RustOleumAutomotive/videos
http://www.rustoleum.com/CBGBrand.asp?bid=2
http://www.rustoleum.com/CBGProduct.asp?pid=150
Posted via Mobile Device
__________________
PROJECT: "FULL METAL YELLOW JACKET"
1962 Chevy C-10 Stepside Shortbed Nostalgia Pro/Street Pickup Truck
PROJECT: "FULL METAL YELLOW JACKET Build Thread
What Are You Workin' On? - 1Bad62ChevyPickup
PROJECT: "TYRANNORAMBLER REX"
1969 AMC Rambler American Nostalgia Pro/Street
Youtube Channel: Father Son Projects
Youtube Channel: 2TIMOTHY2FITHTEEN

"North and South Carolina Folks Click Here!"
(((( ~ I have Parts For Sale & Miscellaneous Stuff ~ ))))

"Well being as there's no other place around the place,
I reckon this must be the place, I reckon...Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk" -Curly Howard Ph.D.

Last edited by 1Bad62Pro/Street; 12-28-2011 at 03:49 PM.
1Bad62Pro/Street is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2011, 03:31 PM   #6
jimmydean
Registered User
 
jimmydean's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 3,728
Re: Powder coating an entire truck

powder is awesome, but just like wet paint, it's all in the prep. If you prep the part and coat the part correctly, there should be no risk of rust, same as with wet paint.

If you have rust that forms under powder, the part would have done the same under wet paint. I have worked with powder for a long time now and have seen it work wonders. Shooting a whole truck in powder would have no more challenges than it would with paint if you have the right tools.
__________________
New Project: 1966 LWB C20
Plans:
1/2 ton conversion
Dropmember front
Dropmember rear
Corvette discs
Restored raised bed

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s....php?p=4295210
jimmydean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2011, 04:14 PM   #7
Gumby
Registered User
 
Gumby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: NW-Ohio
Posts: 2,525
Re: Powder coating an entire truck

trick to nooks n crannies is to pre heat the parts, which also cleans the part n stops outgassing.
Gumby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2012, 02:51 PM   #8
jonathan-m
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Phoenix Az
Posts: 432
Re: Powder coating an entire truck

Well I finally found a good powdercoater and a fantastic pinstriper for this little project. I had a motorcycle tank done up as a test a few days ago (I've never actually seen pinstriping in person, it wasn't very popular where I came from on the east coast). I'm diggin' it big time. it was incredible to see how easily he laid down those lines, all while chatting with me and his apprentice. I can barely write my name in a straight line hahaha....

Now all I need to do is get the truck disassembled and ready for powder coating , then off we go...





__________________
Rockin' a '66 and loving every minute of it
jonathan-m is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2012, 02:59 PM   #9
Heater63
Registered User
 
Heater63's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: N Texas
Posts: 580
Re: Powder coating an entire truck

Powder coating is just another way to apply paint, except you use HEAT.
How is that body filler going to hold up in a powder coat oven??
I don't know that I would want to heat some car body panels but our old strong trucks would probably do OK.

If you want to know the best and most economical way to apply a topcoat to a car or truck, just look at what the OEM factory does. Spraying paint is still it, but technologies (like water-bourne) are always improving how they do it.
__________________
292 + TKO500
Heater63 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2012, 04:07 PM   #10
jimmydean
Registered User
 
jimmydean's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 3,728
Re: Powder coating an entire truck

Heat for powder is typically done at 400 degrees, not enough to damage any metal parts, even thin sheet metal. But IR is also an option if you were worried about exposed heat.

Quote:
Powder coating is just another way to apply paint, except you use HEAT.
Powder IS NOT PAINT, it's pulverized plastic.
__________________
New Project: 1966 LWB C20
Plans:
1/2 ton conversion
Dropmember front
Dropmember rear
Corvette discs
Restored raised bed

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s....php?p=4295210
jimmydean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2012, 04:15 PM   #11
jrisch
Registered User
 
jrisch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
Posts: 47
Re: Powder coating an entire truck

[QUOTE=jonathan-m;5129085]Well I finally found a good powdercoater and a fantastic pinstriper for this little project. :

I have been looking for someone to powdercoat some parts for me, here in the Valley, who did you find. Im willing to travel a bit to get to someone that knows what they are doing!
__________________
1962 Chevrolet S/B Fleet side
Engine: 283 Transmission: 3 speed manual

2 do list !!!!!!
Frame off-2 1/2" front , 4" rear
Rebuild engine (or find a 327), 700R4 Trans, relocate gas tank, Bed wood
jrisch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2012, 07:02 PM   #12
jonathan-m
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Phoenix Az
Posts: 432
Re: Powder coating an entire truck

I went with Fusion Powder Coating in El Mirage.
Really nice folks, VERY good pricing, and they got the job done 5 days earlier than they originally estimated. I was impressed.
__________________
Rockin' a '66 and loving every minute of it
jonathan-m is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2012, 08:46 PM   #13
70-Shorty
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Ontario CA
Posts: 317
Re: Powder coating an entire truck

Quote:
Originally Posted by Heater63 View Post
Powder coating is just another way to apply paint, except you use HEAT.
How is that body filler going to hold up in a powder coat oven??
I don't know that I would want to heat some car body panels but our old strong trucks would probably do OK.

If you want to know the best and most economical way to apply a topcoat to a car or truck, just look at what the OEM factory does. Spraying paint is still it, but technologies (like water-bourne) are always improving how they do it.
Conventional Body filler isn't used under powder coat, it's a more specialized two-part "putty" that has high metal content that will withstand the heat in an oven.....
Tim
__________________
Ontario CA•70 Chevy Shortbed Fleetside C-10
71 Chevy Longbed Fleetside C-20 (sold )
63 Chevy II Nova SS
02 Ford F-150 Harley-Davidson supercharged 5.4
2000 Harley Roadking Hot Bike Baggers Mag Shoot
http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/i...oot/?start=all
some truck lettering & flame jobs
http://www.flickr.com/photos/4950319...7602894916215/
70-Shorty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2012, 01:26 AM   #14
Gumby
Registered User
 
Gumby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: NW-Ohio
Posts: 2,525
Re: Powder coating an entire truck

Quote:
Originally Posted by Heater63 View Post
Powder coating is just another way to apply paint, except you use HEAT.
How is that body filler going to hold up in a powder coat oven??
I don't know that I would want to heat some car body panels but our old strong trucks would probably do OK.
you use a metal filler, or have to use metal filler as an electric charge is used to apply it.

only pot metal parts will deform above 400F, turn to water around 500f
Gumby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2012, 03:06 AM   #15
Captainfab
60-66 Nut

 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho
Posts: 23,252
Re: Powder coating an entire truck

One of the issues with using typical body fillers, whether All Metal or regular filler, is the out gassing when heated to the cure temperature of the powder.
__________________
Power Steering Box Adapter Plates For Sale HERE
Power Brake Booster Adapter Brackets For Sale '63-'66 HERE and '67-'72 HERE and '60-'62 HERE and "60-'62 with clutch HERE
Rear Disc Brake Brackets For Sale. Impala SS calipers HERE Camaro Calipers HERE D52 Calipers HERE 6 Lug HERE
Hydroboost Mounting Plates HERE
Captainfab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2012, 01:23 PM   #16
Gumby
Registered User
 
Gumby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: NW-Ohio
Posts: 2,525
Re: Powder coating an entire truck

why its best to pre heat / heat clean first.

run parts through a oven cycle to get ride of gasses n oil, then powder coat it warm for better stick, then cure.
Gumby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2012, 02:26 PM   #17
70-Shorty
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Ontario CA
Posts: 317
Re: Powder coating an entire truck

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captainfab View Post
One of the issues with using typical body fillers, whether All Metal or regular filler, is the out gassing when heated to the cure temperature of the powder.
thats why you DON'T use normal body fillers. The stuff you use is a Devcon high temp material not that different than JB weld. It WILL withstand the heat cycles. It's just a b!tch to sand. The process has its challenges. Best to start off with straight sheet metal in the first place.
Tim
__________________
Ontario CA•70 Chevy Shortbed Fleetside C-10
71 Chevy Longbed Fleetside C-20 (sold )
63 Chevy II Nova SS
02 Ford F-150 Harley-Davidson supercharged 5.4
2000 Harley Roadking Hot Bike Baggers Mag Shoot
http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/i...oot/?start=all
some truck lettering & flame jobs
http://www.flickr.com/photos/4950319...7602894916215/
70-Shorty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2012, 02:59 AM   #18
Heater63
Registered User
 
Heater63's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: N Texas
Posts: 580
Re: Powder coating an entire truck

Thanks for the info, good discussion.

Let us know how it turns out if you do it Jonathan!
__________________
292 + TKO500
Heater63 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2012, 12:26 PM   #19
Chevy Fleetside
Registered User
 
Chevy Fleetside's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 4,782
Re: Powder coating an entire truck

Sounds like more trouble then it is worth.
__________________
"A man and his truck, what a beautiful thing"

65 Short Fleetside BBC
65 Long Fleetside 283 3 on the tree for now.
my build thread http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=259536
Chevy Fleetside is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2012, 01:18 PM   #20
Newtz67
Registered User
 
Newtz67's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: A t w a t e r, Ca
Posts: 1,201
Re: Powder coating an entire truck

What's the approximate price difference between painting an entire truck or powder coating?
Newtz67 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:37 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright 1997-2022 67-72chevytrucks.com