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Bagwurxc10 · 11-02-2013, 06:30 PM

I put an nv3500 behind a zz4 crate motor and blew the tranny apart....

Bagwurxc10 · 11-02-2013, 06:41 PM

I followed a bunch of you guys on here and decided to do the swap.

First off, I took a lot of different ideas from a few members and put together the best ones.

1.Nv3500....
2.Driveshaft from a 95 swb chevy 5-speed...59 1/2in. Fit perfect with a rear conversion u-joint.
3.Pre-assembled master and slave cylinder....extended push rod 1-1/2 and drilled pivot 2-1/2in from pivot on clutch pedal.
4. Tranny mount

Pretty much a basic swap.
Not knocking anyone's install.
Just saying if you have any horsepower, this is not the swap for you.

If anyone needs questions answered for this swap I'd be glad to help....!

Bigdav160 · 11-02-2013, 06:56 PM

Looks like it's time for a NV4500

Bagwurxc10 · 11-02-2013, 10:11 PM

I'm considering an nv4500 but worried about the overall size. it either looks too tall or deep from the pics I've seen of one.... Dunno if I'd need to modify the tranny tunnel or if it'd hang to low for my truck with it being lowered 5" front and back... Has anyone seen a nv4500 in a c10 and could you provide pics?

Keep this thread going for everyone that wants a 5-speed with a big motor....!

Sklptrljay · 11-02-2013, 11:11 PM

3500, 3501....whatever it takes.

Sorry dude.

Lattimer · 11-03-2013, 12:06 AM

Give it up and get a TREMEC

marvgarr68 · 11-03-2013, 02:41 AM

I did that with the 3500 in my 93 s10 4x4 with a 4.3 if a v6 can break it then for sure a v8 they are real cheap transmissions not very good.

Bagwurxc10 · 11-03-2013, 09:36 AM

A tko 500 is probably gonna be my best bet or put my th400 back in....!

**Tom Vogel** · 11-03-2013, 10:31 AM

From the pic it looks like your clutch grenaded... or your flywheel.

Bagwurxc10 · 11-03-2013, 10:06 PM

Surprisingly the clutch and flywheel were unharmed... The input shaft was still stuck in the clutch disc and was also still lined up with the pilot bearing....! GO FIGURE...!

bbcmudtruck · 11-03-2013, 11:09 PM

Wow thats some pretty good carnage! I've got a spare muncie M20 4 speed that needs to be rebuilt that I'd sell ya!

**jocko** · 11-03-2013, 11:13 PM

Can you share what was happening (just driving, burnout, towing, etc) when it grenades?

Bagwurxc10 · 11-04-2013, 11:23 AM

Just getting on it...1st and 2nd went fine...hit a hard 3rd pulled to about 6 grand and blew apart...! Got a pretty good bruise from the shifter on my leg....!

Bagwurxc10 · 11-04-2013, 11:25 AM

This engine tore up an m22 Muncie as well.... It's rebuildable....!

CG · 11-04-2013, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagwurxc10

This engine tore up an m22 Muncie as well.... It's rebuildable....!

If it tore up a real M22 there was a problem inside the trans already.

bbcmudtruck · 11-04-2013, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CG

If it tore up a real M22 there was a problem inside the trans already.

Agreed! M22s aren't bullet proof, but it either takes a serious motor or serious effort to tear one up!

Roostboy102 · 11-04-2013, 09:43 PM

Hope mine holds up behind my 4.8...

Tx Firefighter · 11-04-2013, 11:48 PM

Hundreds of millions of miles have been put on those transmissions behind 350s. Its a great transmission. GM wouldn't have put it in their trucks if it was prone to fail. They'd have been paying through the nose on warranty repairs.

Only when you pair it with an engine that puts out more torque than the trans was designed for do you run into these issues. That, or pure abuse. Obviously the ZZ engine the original poster has is much more powerful than a TBI 350 which the trans was intended for.

I can't imagine putting an NV4500 behind a ZZ engine. They shift very crudely. Heavy duty ? Yes. But, sporty shifting they're not.

**crossy** · 12-10-2015, 12:06 AM

I know it's two years later , but our NV3500 was drag raced occasionally, and towed a few things ,and held up well for 300,000 miles. Then it picked up a strange noise. kept changing fluid at 20K, and it made it another 100,000. truck ran in the 15's, but a 350TBI is no torque monster.lol

wreckedchevy · 12-10-2015, 03:12 AM

makes me wonder what the OKC farmtruck is running for a tranny

midniteblues · 12-10-2015, 05:54 AM

Ha ha. This thread reminds me when I put a t50 5spd in the camaro.
I babied it all summer then one fall nite I dropped to second an gave it some beans....same results.
Lucky I had next to nothing in the swap.
But now it runs a no ring sag.it sux.

The Chainsaw · 12-10-2015, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by wreckedchevy

makes me wonder what the OKC farmtruck is running for a tranny

Th400 with a ratchet shifter and a long handle.

Willie Makeit · 12-10-2015, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sklptrljay

3500, 3501....whatever it takes.

Sorry dude.

i saw what you did there.

poor_mans72 · 12-10-2015, 11:21 AM

I'm planning on a nv3500 swap into my gmc, not behind a zz though staying with the 350. Looking to cruise for right now
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11-02-2013, 06:30 PM	#1
Bagwurxc10 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Cleveland Texas Posts: 38	Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! I put an nv3500 behind a zz4 crate motor and blew the tranny apart.... Attached Images

11-02-2013, 06:41 PM	#2
Bagwurxc10 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Cleveland Texas Posts: 38	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! I followed a bunch of you guys on here and decided to do the swap. First off, I took a lot of different ideas from a few members and put together the best ones. 1.Nv3500.... 2.Driveshaft from a 95 swb chevy 5-speed...59 1/2in. Fit perfect with a rear conversion u-joint. 3.Pre-assembled master and slave cylinder....extended push rod 1-1/2 and drilled pivot 2-1/2in from pivot on clutch pedal. 4. Tranny mount Pretty much a basic swap. Not knocking anyone's install. Just saying if you have any horsepower, this is not the swap for you. If anyone needs questions answered for this swap I'd be glad to help....!

11-02-2013, 06:56 PM	#3
Bigdav160 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Klein Texas Posts: 3,852	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! Looks like it's time for a NV4500 __________________ My Classics: '72 K20 Suburban + '65 Dodge Town Wagon '72 Corvette Roadster +'67 Corvette Roadster '73 Z-28 Camaro '63 Ford SWB Uni Pickup '50 Ford Coupe

11-02-2013, 10:11 PM	#4
Bagwurxc10 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Cleveland Texas Posts: 38	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! I'm considering an nv4500 but worried about the overall size. it either looks too tall or deep from the pics I've seen of one.... Dunno if I'd need to modify the tranny tunnel or if it'd hang to low for my truck with it being lowered 5" front and back... Has anyone seen a nv4500 in a c10 and could you provide pics? Keep this thread going for everyone that wants a 5-speed with a big motor....!

11-02-2013, 11:11 PM	#5
Sklptrljay Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma Posts: 874	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! 3500, 3501....whatever it takes. Sorry dude.

11-03-2013, 12:06 AM	#6
Lattimer Registered User Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Mickleton, NJ Posts: 1,776	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! Give it up and get a TREMEC __________________ Shawn 1970 Chevy C-10 SWB, 350, TKO 600 5 speed My build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=559881

11-03-2013, 02:41 AM	#7
marvgarr68 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: kingman az Posts: 573	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! I did that with the 3500 in my 93 s10 4x4 with a 4.3 if a v6 can break it then for sure a v8 they are real cheap transmissions not very good. __________________ 1976 k20, 350 built, 44/14 axles 1968 c10 6.5 turbo diesel,t5 trans 1977 gmc c3500 dually, crew, 4-53t, 5&3 trans http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=591188

11-03-2013, 09:36 AM	#8
Bagwurxc10 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Cleveland Texas Posts: 38	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! A tko 500 is probably gonna be my best bet or put my th400 back in....!

11-03-2013, 10:31 AM	#9
Tom Vogel 2WD Jimmy Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Davis County, Utah Posts: 2,565	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! From the pic it looks like your clutch grenaded... or your flywheel.

11-03-2013, 10:06 PM	#10
Bagwurxc10 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Cleveland Texas Posts: 38	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! Surprisingly the clutch and flywheel were unharmed... The input shaft was still stuck in the clutch disc and was also still lined up with the pilot bearing....! GO FIGURE...!

11-03-2013, 11:09 PM	#11
bbcmudtruck Registered User Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: ravenwood, mo Posts: 709	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! Wow thats some pretty good carnage! I've got a spare muncie M20 4 speed that needs to be rebuilt that I'd sell ya!

11-03-2013, 11:13 PM	#12
jocko Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Godley, TX Posts: 17,976	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! Can you share what was happening (just driving, burnout, towing, etc) when it grenades?

11-04-2013, 11:23 AM	#13
Bagwurxc10 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Cleveland Texas Posts: 38	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! Just getting on it...1st and 2nd went fine...hit a hard 3rd pulled to about 6 grand and blew apart...! Got a pretty good bruise from the shifter on my leg....!

11-04-2013, 11:25 AM	#14
Bagwurxc10 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Cleveland Texas Posts: 38	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! This engine tore up an m22 Muncie as well.... It's rebuildable....!

11-04-2013, 09:43 PM	#17
Roostboy102 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Amish Country Posts: 138	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! Hope mine holds up behind my 4.8... __________________ 72 C10 - Multicolor, 4.8 ls, NV3500. Sold 72 K5 - Under Construction



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11-04-2013, 11:48 PM	#18
Tx Firefighter Watch out for your cornhole ! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Azle, Texas Posts: 14,162	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! Hundreds of millions of miles have been put on those transmissions behind 350s. Its a great transmission. GM wouldn't have put it in their trucks if it was prone to fail. They'd have been paying through the nose on warranty repairs. Only when you pair it with an engine that puts out more torque than the trans was designed for do you run into these issues. That, or pure abuse. Obviously the ZZ engine the original poster has is much more powerful than a TBI 350 which the trans was intended for. I can't imagine putting an NV4500 behind a ZZ engine. They shift very crudely. Heavy duty ? Yes. But, sporty shifting they're not.

12-10-2015, 12:06 AM	#19
crossy Oh,you can't buy that new Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Pennsville,N.J. 08070, USA Posts: 2,039	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! I know it's two years later , but our NV3500 was drag raced occasionally, and towed a few things ,and held up well for 300,000 miles. Then it picked up a strange noise. kept changing fluid at 20K, and it made it another 100,000. truck ran in the 15's, but a 350TBI is no torque monster.lol __________________ "been there, done that, ruined the T-shirt". 2007 LBZ GMC Sierra, ECSB 2006 LM7 RCSB Silverado 98 Vortec project. 94,3500,6.5L 4L80 81 SWB GMC POS finally gone 73 Pinto, stock, w/CragarSS's-eww LOTS of Cummins trucks.

12-10-2015, 03:12 AM	#20
wreckedchevy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: billings, mt Posts: 703	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! makes me wonder what the OKC farmtruck is running for a tranny __________________ 1969 Chevy C10 2wd stepside longbox

12-10-2015, 05:54 AM	#21
midniteblues Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: strausstown pa Posts: 3,394	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! Ha ha. This thread reminds me when I put a t50 5spd in the camaro. I babied it all summer then one fall nite I dropped to second an gave it some beans....same results. Lucky I had next to nothing in the swap. But now it runs a no ring sag.it sux. __________________ 81 camaro 355 4/spd 342 posi my first love. 67 swb step 454/4spd ott 373 posi 4/7 drop. 2000 s10 zr2 little blue truck that never gets stuck. '74 heald super bronc vt8. tecumseh powered moon rover.

12-10-2015, 11:21 AM	#24
poor_mans72 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Mass Posts: 22	Re: Nv3500 an easy swap.... A big no no.....! I'm planning on a nv3500 swap into my gmc, not behind a zz though staying with the 350. Looking to cruise for right now Posted via Mobile Device

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