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1966FLEETSIDE · 01-30-2015, 02:52 PM

So I took this pic of my tranny can somebody identify what I got thx for your help in case pic don't upload number is 383021
Bottom number is 01962 thx

pimpston65 · 01-30-2015, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 1966FLEETSIDE

So I took this pic of my tranny can somebody identify what I got thx for your help in case pic don't upload number is 383021
Bottom number is 01962 thx

i have a munice 3 speed, post a pic of the whole thing, i can tell that way...

frankslagoon · 01-30-2015, 10:34 PM

Which one is like yours ?

Old Truck Man · 02-01-2015, 07:36 PM

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Which one is like yours ?

The top trans is a Saginaw. the middle a 319 Muncie overdriveand the bottom a 318Muncie .

frankslagoon · 02-01-2015, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Truck Man

The top trans is a Saginaw. the middle a 319 Muncie overdriveand the bottom a 318Muncie .

Whats this one ?

Lugnutz65 · 02-01-2015, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 1966FLEETSIDE

So I took this pic of my tranny can somebody identify what I got thx for your help in case pic don't upload number is 383021
Bottom number is 01962 thx

The top number is 3830210 - look closer. You can barely see the last 0, but it's there.
The bottom number is G1962. The G is for July. G is the 7th letter and July is 7th month, so it was cast in July 1962.

Old Truck Man · 02-01-2015, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by frankslagoon

Whats this one ?

four speed Saginaw with the overdrive from a three speed Saginaw on it. I have a four speed sag and a three speed overdrive sag. Ive considered building one . the shift linkage looks complicated?

Old Truck Man · 02-01-2015, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lugnutz65

The top number is 3830210 - look closer. You can barely see the last 0, but it's there.
The bottom number is G1962. The G is for July. G is the 7th letter and July is 7th month, so it was cast in July 1962.

that would make it a Muncie 318.

frankslagoon · 02-02-2015, 12:11 AM

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four speed Saginaw with the overdrive from a three speed Saginaw on it. I have a four speed sag and a three speed overdrive sag. Ive considered building one . the shift linkage looks complicated?

The linkage is from a NP 883 3sp. O/D from a newer 2wd. I just moved it up and fward to clr. the console and of course the O/d solienod. fun project it turned out pretty good. 1963 SWB

Old Truck Man · 02-02-2015, 02:15 PM

http://www.themotorbookstore.com/19c...FZI0aQodsFgAvA Ok I have a copy of this book and on pages 7G-15 thru7G-24 It covers the old 4 bolt side cover trans that was first used in 1955. Gm was still using that trans in trucks in 1967. On every page the book has printed MUNCIE. On another forum many are insisting that trans is a Saginaw. Just because some where built in Saginaw. What are your thoughts?

frankslagoon · 02-03-2015, 02:19 AM

I always called em GM 3. speeds but I'm pretty sure now that all the 3 sps 4 bolt side covers were Muncie till the fully sycro.. Saginaw.

1966FLEETSIDE · 02-05-2015, 01:24 PM

thx fellas im gonna say its probabbly the saginaw,i just havent had time to peek underneath.so quick question how do i flush oil and refill??

frankslagoon · 02-05-2015, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 1966FLEETSIDE

thx fellas im gonna say its probabbly the saginaw,i just havent had time to peek underneath.so quick question how do i flush oil and refill??

Lug nutz is right. it,s a Muncie. Sag. have the numbers on the pass. side. heres a pic of the Muncie from my 63. looks just like yours

Mike Wessinger · 02-05-2015, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 1966FLEETSIDE

thx fellas im gonna say its probabbly the saginaw,i just havent had time to peek underneath.so quick question how do i flush oil and refill??

Remove the fill plug on the side and the drain plug on the bottom. Let it drain, plug it up, fill until it starts running out of the fill hole. It takes a quart. Pick up a small pump that screws onto a standard quart oil bottle to make it easier.

For the flush part, if you wish, drive it around a bit after the first fill, then repeat the process.

Finally, make sure you find the right gear oil. Look for GL-4 and not the "modern" GL-5.

Branman1971 · 02-05-2015, 02:04 PM

How well will the Muncie 318 hold up behind a pretty mild 350? Only thing it has is a 4 brl carb.

frankslagoon · 02-05-2015, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Branman1971

How well will the Muncie 318 hold up behind a pretty mild 350? Only thing it has is a 4 brl carb.

I pretty sure the Muncie 3 sp. was the base tranny in corvettes forever. circle track guys luv em cause there light. but they don,t use 1st. gear. ie, the problem. A sport truck tranny without 1st. gear sycro is doomed or at least not much fun.

1966FLEETSIDE · 02-05-2015, 03:31 PM

awsome thx mike wessinger,frankslagoon, and lugnutz65 and whoever i missed for that valuable info

FetchMeAPepsi · 02-05-2015, 07:58 PM

I did a whole rebuild on my Muncie 318. It's really easy. You don't need to flush them, they're just an open bucket with gears in them. the fluid just sloshes around. There's no nooks and crannies to flush really. Here's the link to where I got the flywheel off and started. I went with Redline gear oil for the replacement. it sure quieted the double clutching.

http://6066gmcclub.com/forum/showthr...muncie&page=18

All my stuff is step-by-step with pictures because I'm OCD

If you dont wanna rebuild it just drain it and re-fill it with a pump. Easy as refilling your tea glass.

Branman1971 · 02-06-2015, 01:46 PM

I have a question about these trannys. So when I tore down my Muncie 318 I found that the outer surface of the 2nd and 3rd gear clutch was pitted/corroded quite a bit as well as the inner surface of the 1st and reverse sliding gear. The sliding gear is supposed to slide in the grooves in the clutch to change gears but they were frozen together when I opened the case. I freed them up and worked at the pitting with some careful emory cloth and they both look pretty good and they slide nicely by hand but I don't think I can get them to look machined quality again. Do yall think it's a lost cause to reuse these parts when I rebuild the tranny? There is no excessive slack when they are paired together.

FetchMeAPepsi · 02-06-2015, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Branman1971

I have a question about these trannys. So when I tore down my Muncie 318 I found that the outer surface of the 2nd and 3rd gear clutch was pitted/corroded quite a bit as well as the inner surface of the 1st and reverse sliding gear. The sliding gear is supposed to slide in the grooves in the clutch to change gears but they were frozen together when I opened the case. I freed them up and worked at the pitting with some careful emory cloth and they both look pretty good and they slide nicely by hand but I don't think I can get them to look machined quality again. Do yall think it's a lost cause to reuse these parts when I rebuild the tranny? There is no excessive slack when they are paired together.

As long as the pitting isn't deep and you're not running burnouts from every stoplight you should be fine. That's TOUGH metal in those gears. A little pitting from it sitting for a while won't hurt it. You'll wear any catches off as you use it too. I'd run it.

frankslagoon · 02-06-2015, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FetchMeAPepsi

As long as the pitting isn't deep and you're not running burnouts from every stoplight you should be fine. That's TOUGH metal in those gears. A little pitting from it sitting for a while won't hurt it. You'll wear any catches off as you use it too. I'd run it.

X2 it's so easy to change em if it does start given ya trouble. I'd be more worried about the bearings and countershaft bushings.

01-30-2015, 02:52 PM	#1
1966FLEETSIDE Registered User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: central coast monterey county california Posts: 348	3speed tranny So I took this pic of my tranny can somebody identify what I got thx for your help in case pic don't upload number is 383021 Bottom number is 01962 thx Attached Images

01-30-2015, 10:34 PM	#3
frankslagoon Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wasilla Alaska Posts: 537	Re: 3speed tranny Which one is like yours ? Attached Images

02-02-2015, 02:15 PM	#10
Old Truck Man Registered User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Pocahontas Arkansas Posts: 684	Re: 3speed tranny http://www.themotorbookstore.com/19c...FZI0aQodsFgAvA Ok I have a copy of this book and on pages 7G-15 thru7G-24 It covers the old 4 bolt side cover trans that was first used in 1955. Gm was still using that trans in trucks in 1967. On every page the book has printed MUNCIE. On another forum many are insisting that trans is a Saginaw. Just because some where built in Saginaw. What are your thoughts?

02-03-2015, 02:19 AM	#11
frankslagoon Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wasilla Alaska Posts: 537	Re: 3speed tranny I always called em GM 3. speeds but I'm pretty sure now that all the 3 sps 4 bolt side covers were Muncie till the fully sycro.. Saginaw.

02-05-2015, 01:24 PM	#12
1966FLEETSIDE Registered User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: central coast monterey county california Posts: 348	Re: 3speed tranny thx fellas im gonna say its probabbly the saginaw,i just havent had time to peek underneath.so quick question how do i flush oil and refill??

02-05-2015, 02:04 PM	#15
Branman1971 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: La Vernia, Texas Posts: 207	Re: 3speed tranny How well will the Muncie 318 hold up behind a pretty mild 350? Only thing it has is a 4 brl carb. __________________ Active duty Navy CPO 1961 C10 SWB 1963 C10 LWB (donor) 1965 C10 LWB BBW

02-05-2015, 03:31 PM	#17
1966FLEETSIDE Registered User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: central coast monterey county california Posts: 348	Re: 3speed tranny awsome thx mike wessinger,frankslagoon, and lugnutz65 and whoever i missed for that valuable info

02-05-2015, 07:58 PM	#18
FetchMeAPepsi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Edmond, Ks Posts: 595	Re: 3speed tranny I did a whole rebuild on my Muncie 318. It's really easy. You don't need to flush them, they're just an open bucket with gears in them. the fluid just sloshes around. There's no nooks and crannies to flush really. Here's the link to where I got the flywheel off and started. I went with Redline gear oil for the replacement. it sure quieted the double clutching. http://6066gmcclub.com/forum/showthr...muncie&page=18 All my stuff is step-by-step with pictures because I'm OCD If you dont wanna rebuild it just drain it and re-fill it with a pump. Easy as refilling your tea glass. __________________ Step by steps: Remove primer to reveal original paint Rebuild a carburetor See My Build - Cecilia! Some people are like slinkys. Not worth much but funny as heck when pushed down stairs.

02-06-2015, 01:46 PM	#19
Branman1971 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: La Vernia, Texas Posts: 207	Re: 3speed tranny I have a question about these trannys. So when I tore down my Muncie 318 I found that the outer surface of the 2nd and 3rd gear clutch was pitted/corroded quite a bit as well as the inner surface of the 1st and reverse sliding gear. The sliding gear is supposed to slide in the grooves in the clutch to change gears but they were frozen together when I opened the case. I freed them up and worked at the pitting with some careful emory cloth and they both look pretty good and they slide nicely by hand but I don't think I can get them to look machined quality again. Do yall think it's a lost cause to reuse these parts when I rebuild the tranny? There is no excessive slack when they are paired together. __________________ Active duty Navy CPO 1961 C10 SWB 1963 C10 LWB (donor) 1965 C10 LWB BBW



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