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Chevelle454 · 03-06-2004, 12:56 AM

I'm 17. Messing around driving with some friends. Driving in my mothers 1997 Buick LeSabre Limited. The motor started missing terribly after high RPM usage. After being shut off, it just clicks like it is locked up. I'm guessing a head gasket, with water in the cylinder. Any ideas? My parents are pissed, they took my car, my dirtbike, my phone, my transportation from friends, my job, everything....I can fix the car tomorrow if it is just a head gasket, but i need more ideas. I don't want to tear it down if thats not it. Everyone, please help me...

Blue_71 · 03-06-2004, 01:04 AM

dont mean to piss anyone off, but am i reading this right, and your mad they took your stuff when you were misusing there car, and screwed up the engine? or are you mad at yourself for doing it and disappointing your parents?

EDIT: btw, the clicking can be caused by a startor or battery... when our 97 ford blew the head gasket it started clicking, so we put a new battery in it, and it got to where it would start again and miss, so i would say you need a battery and head gasket, battery MAY still be all right (ours just coincedently died at the same time)

*Randy70C-10* · 03-06-2004, 01:12 AM

Read again Josh

His parents are mad. I don't think it's a head gasket if the engine is locked up. By "locked" do you mean that you can't turn it at all, even with a breaker bar? Doesn't sound like a head gasket, you may need a new engine.

Blue_71 · 03-06-2004, 01:30 AM

yes randy, but the title says he is pissed (unless im reading that title wrong and its supposed to be f-ked, thats what i hate about censorship) :p on our 97 ford when the head gasket went it filled the engine with water, so that made it not able to turn over, if you turned it long enough you could push it all out the tailpipe and if you ran it daily it would run good, so he ran it for a week everywhere he went and traded it to his dually

68c10owner · 03-06-2004, 01:46 AM

pull the spark plugs and see if any water comes out. if not, see if the engine will turn over with the plugs out.

hobby67stepside · 03-06-2004, 02:04 AM

If you were using someone else's car there should have been no high RPM usage. Sounds like total disregard for the vehicle and the person who owned it. You should pay for the repairs.

71402BB · 03-06-2004, 02:26 AM

68c10owner has the right idea! I think he's right, it sounds to me likr the motor is water locked! pull all the plugs out and pray that the engine turns over!!! if it doesn't then you plobablly bent a rod when it water locked. (note: this is only if you did happen to blow the head gasket) but thats just my .02 cents

>X< · 03-06-2004, 03:27 AM

trying to race a civic?

bpmcgee · 03-06-2004, 03:41 AM

Just on the brighter side -- a dead alternator can also cause exactly those symptoms! As the voltage decreases the car starts running worse and worse, and then will only energize the solenoid -- won't start.

Check the easy (cheap) stuff first! What does the battery read?

Brian

Chevelle454 · 03-06-2004, 06:56 AM

We tried jumpstarting it. It will only click, but we got it to turn over a couple revolutions one time. The radiator is almost empty, and I know it was full when I left the house this morning. I will pull the plugs and see whats up. I plan on taking the heads off and putting head gaskets in today and tonight and tomorrow and however long it takes me until the job is done. And by the way, I'm totally f-ed, not pissed. They have every right to be mad. They told me a thousand times to be extremely careful with it, but I don't listen. I'm a frickin idiot and I am gonna pay for what I did...

BTW, the '72 will most likely have to be sold to pay for this car...

Raven Lunatic · 03-06-2004, 07:34 AM

IMO... everyone has the right to f**k up every now and then... how many of us haven't screwed up one of our parents' vehicles, or at least tried to...

Sounds to me like this kid is doing his level best to make good...

in a few years his parents will laugh about it... and so will he...

Some of you are probably thinking, there's a guy who messed up his parents' car, and ya, I did... a few of them actually... and guess what, they're not mad anymore...

At least no one got hurt!

cdowns · 03-06-2004, 09:12 AM

i think your parents should take the car in to a shop have it rebuilt and sell your stuff to pay for it !!! might teach you to respect other peoples stuff !! YOU PLAY YOU PAY !!!!!!!!!!

Blazer1970 · 03-06-2004, 09:14 AM

Apparantly some of you guys were never seventeen, or are too old to remember.

Blue Beard · 03-06-2004, 09:14 AM

Yeah, but think what effect if might have on his kids.......

**70cst** · 03-06-2004, 10:19 AM

I'm not going to knock you because I was doing the same type of thing when I was 17. Maybe your parents are upset because if you were driving that fast with you friends what could have happened if you were in a wreck. Hey...I want you around as a 67-72 truck owner and driver!!!

Food for thought...If you were driving at a high RPM and it won't start...see if you can get the motor to turn over by jumping it...If it cranks at least it is frozen up. How about a timing belt?
At least an engine cam be replaced.
Live long...Have fun...Think Smart...Be safe!!!

Good Luck...

Lippyp · 03-06-2004, 10:21 AM

I screwed up the engine in my dads Beetle when I was about 18, trying to keep up with some friends in faster cars, OK so I had 5 people in it, but it was partly the old mans fault cos it had a slipping clutch that I had told him about, but would he listen? Took him a tank of fuel and about a gallon of oil to get to work the next day, had to have a rebuild! Boy was I grounded until I bought my own car!

Chevelle454 · 03-06-2004, 11:45 AM

Thanks for the ideas guys. I am going to pick up the car right now to start working on it. My parents no longer want the car, they would rather have the "$7,500" that they think it's worth...it's a 1997 car with 200k miles. Looks like I'm not going to tech school next year...it's okay though. Hopefully I will have enough money saved to attend the year after that. Live and learn...

*rage'nrat638* · 03-06-2004, 12:07 PM

DOHOOOOOOOOO

lukecp · 03-06-2004, 12:19 PM

Well dude, i feel sorry for you, but being young myself i know how it feels to really f&@k up like that. I think them wanting $7500 for a car with 200k miles on it is a little extreme, but you should fix the car for them instead. If all else fails you may want to think about replacing the motor, possibly finding a low-mileage salvage yard engine if you can and installing it (with a warranty of some sort of course, don't want to put in a junk motor).

Anyway, good luck, you have learned a valuable lesson, and in a few years you will be laughing about it

70short/step · 03-06-2004, 12:41 PM

Your Signature says..."Yes there are two paths you can go by
but in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on...
-Led Zepplin, Stairway To Heaven"
Guess ya went down the WRONG Path!
Good Luck

70short/step

Russell · 03-06-2004, 12:42 PM

7500 for a 200 k mile car is wayyy overpriced... You could build them an engine that could easily run a 10 second quarter mile for that much, lol. If you ask me, build them a new stock carbon copy motor, and send it right back over to them. Shouldn't cost you more than 2500 if you have to replace the whole rotating assembly, and the heads. The rest of the parts should be alright if it was high RPMs that killed it.

Blue_71 · 03-06-2004, 01:53 PM

sorry about that man

just read ya wrong. at least you are trying to make it right, but i agree, $7500 is WAY to much for that. maybe if it was a 97 chevy truck with a diesel with 200K, but i cant see many other 7 year old vehicles being worth that.

cdowns · 03-06-2004, 02:12 PM

i'd say offer to have a new crate motor installed by a professional shop that way they could have their car back in 10-12days
as far as you rebuilding it or fixing it up i'd say quit while your ahead you've already fixed it BUT GOOD

1970blazin · 03-06-2004, 02:47 PM

I remember being 17 - I didn't make all the best decisions, but I am a good person (then and now) I think it is crap that they want $7500 from you to make it right! Also- I would NEVER ask for money from my kid if it was going to keep him from Tech school or College!!!

I think you should replace the engine (they will get a BETTER car in return- at least better than the 200,000 mile engine they had before it blew) Once you replace the engine THEY can either keep the car or sell it (and try to get $7500!) All YOU should be responsible for is to fix your mistake....a blown engine! Not pay them all that money!
Good luck to you and PLEASE go on to school and don't wait a year....I speak from experience- once you take time off school/college you will find a job and start having bills and it will be all the harder to go back. Parents should NOT hinder their kids from going on to bigger and better things!! Hang in there!

Diane

stelth2002 · 03-06-2004, 02:52 PM

Hes 17 and sacraficing school to fix a car. Doesnt add up to me. Yah i would be hard on him, but i dont agree with how they are doing it. I can say about everyone has been there done that, i was just more careful.

On a side note, must have been up in the redline to pop a head gasket. But take the plugs out and crank it. See its not froze, now see which side it comes from and thats the head you need to take off.

03-06-2004, 12:56 AM	#1
Chevelle454 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: MN Posts: 380	I am totally ed.... I'm 17. Messing around driving with some friends. Driving in my mothers 1997 Buick LeSabre Limited. The motor started missing terribly after high RPM usage. After being shut off, it just clicks like it is locked up. I'm guessing a head gasket, with water in the cylinder. Any ideas? My parents are pissed, they took my car, my dirtbike, my phone, my transportation from friends, my job, everything....I can fix the car tomorrow if it is just a head gasket, but i need more ideas. I don't want to tear it down if thats not it. Everyone, please help me... __________________ 1972 C10 1972 C20

03-06-2004, 01:46 AM	#5
68c10owner Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Carmichael, California Posts: 3,005	pull the spark plugs and see if any water comes out. if not, see if the engine will turn over with the plugs out. __________________ Anthony

03-06-2004, 02:26 AM	#7
71402BB now thats a true COON DOG Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Franconia, NH Posts: 1,977	68c10owner has the right idea! I think he's right, it sounds to me likr the motor is water locked! pull all the plugs out and pray that the engine turns over!!! if it doesn't then you plobablly bent a rod when it water locked. (note: this is only if you did happen to blow the head gasket) but thats just my .02 cents __________________ current project 67 402BB stout th350 3.08's with a locker. Plan on tubs 18.5's out back! (thanks Burnsman!) 71 SWB Stepside, was a 250, now is a 402 Big Block with 4 speed and 3.73's ( was crushed by a tree, bed sold, motor pulled) was my first truck!... oh well... 72 LWB 4x4 350 4-speed 3.08's posi wearing army olive drab green (SOLD!) 68 BURB 50TH LOOKALIKE work in progress, soon to have 250-I6 with a 3-speed on the tree 4.11's and posi ( currently sitting in back yard tarped awaiting time, $$$, and lots of love!) 67 1 TON- work truck 396 sm 420 4-speed, flat bed 4.57 gears "big red" (my first landscape truck, very rusty and crusty! but still gets the job done when needed!)

03-06-2004, 03:27 AM	#8
>X< registered IWATA user Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 4,481	trying to race a civic? __________________ -'63 Ford Fairlane 500 coupe, v8, auto, faded and rusty. awaiting built roller 302 and some flat black -'99 Honda Prelude. vtech/5spd. no pipe, no intake, bone stock. awaiting new top end. -01 GMC Yukon SLT 5.3 dented and scratched with a noisy tranny. Take off that Von Dutch hat before i stab you with a 000 Mack.

03-06-2004, 06:56 AM	#10
Chevelle454 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: MN Posts: 380	We tried jumpstarting it. It will only click, but we got it to turn over a couple revolutions one time. The radiator is almost empty, and I know it was full when I left the house this morning. I will pull the plugs and see whats up. I plan on taking the heads off and putting head gaskets in today and tonight and tomorrow and however long it takes me until the job is done. And by the way, I'm totally f-ed, not pissed. They have every right to be mad. They told me a thousand times to be extremely careful with it, but I don't listen. I'm a frickin idiot and I am gonna pay for what I did... BTW, the '72 will most likely have to be sold to pay for this car... __________________ 1972 C10 1972 C20

03-06-2004, 01:12 AM	#3
Randy70C-10 Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Virginia Beach, Va. U.S.A. Posts: 15,320	Read again Josh His parents are mad. I don't think it's a head gasket if the engine is locked up. By "locked" do you mean that you can't turn it at all, even with a breaker bar? Doesn't sound like a head gasket, you may need a new engine.

03-06-2004, 02:04 AM	#6
hobby67stepside Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 952	If you were using someone else's car there should have been no high RPM usage. Sounds like total disregard for the vehicle and the person who owned it. You should pay for the repairs.

03-06-2004, 03:41 AM	#9
bpmcgee Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 2,181	Just on the brighter side -- a dead alternator can also cause exactly those symptoms! As the voltage decreases the car starts running worse and worse, and then will only energize the solenoid -- won't start. Check the easy (cheap) stuff first! What does the battery read? Brian

03-06-2004, 07:34 AM	#11
Raven Lunatic On the Hillbilly Highway Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 90	IMO... everyone has the right to f**k up every now and then... how many of us haven't screwed up one of our parents' vehicles, or at least tried to... Sounds to me like this kid is doing his level best to make good... in a few years his parents will laugh about it... and so will he... Some of you are probably thinking, there's a guy who messed up his parents' car, and ya, I did... a few of them actually... and guess what, they're not mad anymore... At least no one got hurt! __________________ Does anyone else smell smoke? 1967 GMC 910, rolling frame coming soon!

03-06-2004, 09:12 AM	#12
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	i think your parents should take the car in to a shop have it rebuilt and sell your stuff to pay for it !!! might teach you to respect other peoples stuff !! YOU PLAY YOU PAY !!!!!!!!!! __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

03-06-2004, 09:14 AM	#13
Blazer1970 Registered User Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Old Mission, MI, USA Posts: 2,507	Apparantly some of you guys were never seventeen, or are too old to remember. __________________ Tim

03-06-2004, 09:14 AM	#14
Blue Beard Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 8,831	Yeah, but think what effect if might have on his kids....... __________________ 1970 Chev CST 2003 Harley Fatboy 1975 Chevrolet Step Van 1956 Chev Bel Air 1977 Blazer 2WD For Sale $3000.00 1978 Blazer 2WD For Sale $7000.00 1978 Silverado 2005 Monte Carlo

03-06-2004, 10:19 AM	#15
70cst Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: New Madison, Ohio Posts: 21,373	I'm not going to knock you because I was doing the same type of thing when I was 17. Maybe your parents are upset because if you were driving that fast with you friends what could have happened if you were in a wreck. Hey...I want you around as a 67-72 truck owner and driver!!! Food for thought...If you were driving at a high RPM and it won't start...see if you can get the motor to turn over by jumping it...If it cranks at least it is frozen up. How about a timing belt? At least an engine cam be replaced. Live long...Have fun...Think Smart...Be safe!!! Good Luck...

03-06-2004, 10:21 AM	#16
Lippyp English Chevy Owner Join Date: May 2002 Location: Shropshire, UK/ Lot, France Posts: 1,848	I screwed up the engine in my dads Beetle when I was about 18, trying to keep up with some friends in faster cars, OK so I had 5 people in it, but it was partly the old mans fault cos it had a slipping clutch that I had told him about, but would he listen? Took him a tank of fuel and about a gallon of oil to get to work the next day, had to have a rebuild! Boy was I grounded until I bought my own car! __________________ Phil '67 C10 long fleet. 350/TH350, 4 bbl Carter, K&N, Dual exhaust, loads of stuff coming soon 2001 S10 Blazer Daily Driver, bone stock 4 door 4x4 with manual transmission

03-06-2004, 11:45 AM	#17
Chevelle454 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: MN Posts: 380	Thanks for the ideas guys. I am going to pick up the car right now to start working on it. My parents no longer want the car, they would rather have the "$7,500" that they think it's worth...it's a 1997 car with 200k miles. Looks like I'm not going to tech school next year...it's okay though. Hopefully I will have enough money saved to attend the year after that. Live and learn... __________________ 1972 C10 1972 C20



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03-06-2004, 12:07 PM	#18
rage'nrat638 Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: THE FALL GUY CHICAGO IL Posts: 5,883	DOHOOOOOOOOO

03-06-2004, 12:19 PM	#19
lukecp Formerly yellow72custom Join Date: May 2001 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 7,531	Well dude, i feel sorry for you, but being young myself i know how it feels to really f&@k up like that. I think them wanting $7500 for a car with 200k miles on it is a little extreme, but you should fix the car for them instead. If all else fails you may want to think about replacing the motor, possibly finding a low-mileage salvage yard engine if you can and installing it (with a warranty of some sort of course, don't want to put in a junk motor). Anyway, good luck, you have learned a valuable lesson, and in a few years you will be laughing about it __________________ '72 Chevy C10 Mild 350/TH350/3.07. Ochre/White. Old high school ride. '70 GMC C2500 '62 327 4bbl/SM465/4.56-geared Dana 60. White/White. Project or parts truck. '97 Saturn SL DD. 1.9/5-speed. 40+ highway mpg

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70short/step Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 1,579	Your Signature says..."Yes there are two paths you can go by but in the long run There's still time to change the road you're on... -Led Zepplin, Stairway To Heaven" Guess ya went down the WRONG Path! Good Luck 70short/step

03-06-2004, 12:42 PM	#21
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	7500 for a 200 k mile car is wayyy overpriced... You could build them an engine that could easily run a 10 second quarter mile for that much, lol. If you ask me, build them a new stock carbon copy motor, and send it right back over to them. Shouldn't cost you more than 2500 if you have to replace the whole rotating assembly, and the heads. The rest of the parts should be alright if it was high RPMs that killed it. __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap)

03-06-2004, 02:12 PM	#23
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	i'd say offer to have a new crate motor installed by a professional shop that way they could have their car back in 10-12days as far as you rebuilding it or fixing it up i'd say quit while your ahead you've already fixed it BUT GOOD __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

03-06-2004, 02:47 PM	#24
1970blazin Blazerless:-( Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Olympia WA Posts: 1,612	I remember being 17 - I didn't make all the best decisions, but I am a good person (then and now) I think it is crap that they want $7500 from you to make it right! Also- I would NEVER ask for money from my kid if it was going to keep him from Tech school or College!!! I think you should replace the engine (they will get a BETTER car in return- at least better than the 200,000 mile engine they had before it blew) Once you replace the engine THEY can either keep the car or sell it (and try to get $7500!) All YOU should be responsible for is to fix your mistake....a blown engine! Not pay them all that money! Good luck to you and PLEASE go on to school and don't wait a year....I speak from experience- once you take time off school/college you will find a job and start having bills and it will be all the harder to go back. Parents should NOT hinder their kids from going on to bigger and better things!! Hang in there! Diane __________________ 1970blazin 1970 CST Blazer-Orig. Dark Blue-SOLD Progress Pics of Blazer for sale

03-06-2004, 02:52 PM	#25
stelth2002 Young Gun wth Fast Inline Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 1,475	Hes 17 and sacraficing school to fix a car. Doesnt add up to me. Yah i would be hard on him, but i dont agree with how they are doing it. I can say about everyone has been there done that, i was just more careful. On a side note, must have been up in the redline to pop a head gasket. But take the plugs out and crank it. See its not froze, now see which side it comes from and thats the head you need to take off. __________________ 1967 Chevrolet LWB with built 292! 415 ft. lbs of torque, 4 speed :O with 27% overdrive too, 3.73 Posi. Frame and body done... getting painted!!!

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