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Radiatta_71 · 06-04-2004, 01:24 AM

I forgot the process on removing the igntion key assembly. I have my key and a paper clip but which way do I turn? I have tried all directions but it won't pop out.

Any suggestions?

typhoon · 06-04-2004, 01:36 AM

I just took mine out yesterday, I stuck in the paperclip, turned counter-clockwise, then a wiggle jiggle, and it slipped out like a fart after thanksgiving dinner.

67shortie · 06-04-2004, 02:05 AM

I had to get the key in there, turn it to ACC and push a paper clip in there and pull. Seemed to work mint.

71-longbed · 06-04-2004, 07:09 AM

removal process down ... how do you get the new one back in ??

71Rat · 06-04-2004, 10:39 AM

you should just be able to push it in and turn it clockwise and it should be in..... might not have to even turn it....
i think thats how i put mine back in
Rat

Blue Beard · 06-05-2004, 10:36 AM

Be sure the Battery is disconnected before you do it.

thisolechevy · 06-05-2004, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by typhoon

I just took mine out yesterday, I stuck in the paperclip, turned counter-clockwise, then a wiggle jiggle, and it slipped out like a fart after thanksgiving dinner.

Hey I can't seem to figure out how to get my ignitoin switch out either!! I broke my key off in the ignition and was using a screw drivier to start and operate my truck, but got tired of that so I bought a new Ignition lock cylinder from LMC and now can not figure out how to remove my old one??? I put a papper clip in the hole, turned the key counterclockwise, and felt it click but then what I can't pull it out its stuck in there. And also does just the lock cylinder come out? or the cylinder and the bezel?? any helps is appreciated

typhoon · 06-05-2004, 11:14 PM

just the lock cylinder will come out. The bezel will thread off after the lock barrel is out. did the key break off flush in the lock barrel?

thisolechevy · 06-06-2004, 08:48 AM

No it did not brake off flush, there was enough room to put a screwdriver in and turn the ignition cylinder

typhoon · 06-06-2004, 01:16 PM

try cutting a notch in a cheap or old common screwdriver so you can turn and pull on the barrel.

thisolechevy · 06-06-2004, 11:15 PM

Alright but I have a question If I were to remove the electrical plug from the back of the ignition switch would I be able to hot the engine from the plug? I know that the RED wire is the hot wire, but which wire is starter? and is this possible at all?

typhoon · 06-06-2004, 11:27 PM

sure, you can jump it that way, or add a switch. The starter motor will run off of the purple wire, applying power to that will energise the starter solinoid. it will work fine, it just won't be very proper, but if you not concerned with being proper don't worry.

thisolechevy · 06-07-2004, 01:21 PM

HA HA I am back in buisiness yeah!!!! Thanks Typhoon I got the old lock cylinder out, and the new one in it works great. With the old one in it always sounded like my bettery was about to die when I went to crank it, but the new one made a big improvement it just cranks right up!! thansk again for all the help all of you.
Brad

thisolechevy · 06-07-2004, 02:34 PM

OHHHH ARGH I just took my truck the hardware stoer for a test run and guess what? again it wouldnt start for me!!! uh I hate it. Like I said before I replaced the ignition cylinder and I thought it was fixed, I have some questions. My engine is running alittle warm lately (I am in the process of fixing it now) but it runs about 200deg. would this affect the way my starter works? like if I were to have a faulty starter would it work cold just fine, and then when the engine heats up not work? I have a brand spankin' new battery and alternator
The thing that gets me is you can push start the truck just fine, so it has power to the engine, it just wont start, the starter wont even click. Is there some type of relay? or wiring I need to check?
Brad

Russell · 06-07-2004, 02:44 PM

A hot engine will fry your starter... Mine got a little warm on the manifolds when I ran it too lean once, my starter hasn't worked the same since... Its like my battery is dead when the truck is warm, but it has enough to get the truck to start (usually starts on the first to second crank) when the truck is cold, on the other hand, it will fire right up like normal.

thisolechevy · 06-07-2004, 04:00 PM

Hey I just found out that the truck will start up fine once i let the engine cool to under 160 deg. so it must be the starter. right???

typhoon · 06-07-2004, 07:29 PM

The starter and solenoid both are affected by heat, usually trucks with headers have the exact problem you are discribing beacuse of the heat generated in that area. the cheapest thing you could do is install a heat shield so that there is a seperate air passage around the starter and solenoid, this will keep it cool and working when you want it too.

Blue Beard · 06-07-2004, 09:02 PM

Have to agree with typhoon....

Headers too close to the starter have been an issue....they do make heat shields for the application...

71-longbed · 06-17-2004, 01:18 PM

im trying to replace my ignition switch .. got the ock cylinder out .... the manual says after that .. to "remove metal ignition switch nut " ... i dont see any nut !!! please help ... i need to drive this truck today

**CPNE** · 06-17-2004, 01:40 PM

The "nut" is the bezel itself. You may need to gently tap the bezel counterclockwise with a hammer and flat screwdriver. Lodge the screwdriver in one of the detents in the bezel to get it to move.

71-longbed · 06-17-2004, 02:30 PM

I got it ...... now i know how those things fit in there :p

everything works!!!! truck fired right up .... hope it clears up my catchin' starter issues

thanks for the responses

06-04-2004, 01:24 AM	#1
Radiatta_71 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 117	Removing ignition - Help! I forgot the process on removing the igntion key assembly. I have my key and a paper clip but which way do I turn? I have tried all directions but it won't pop out. Any suggestions?

06-04-2004, 02:05 AM	#3
67shortie Green club Join Date: May 2002 Location: Central CA Posts: 1,059	I had to get the key in there, turn it to ACC and push a paper clip in there and pull. Seemed to work mint. __________________ 71 short/fleet ECE 4/6 drop, LQ4/700r4/3.42 gears 70 SS396 Chevelle 427/200-4R/3.73posi 61 Lincoln Continental, black on black Son you are going to drive me to drinkin if you don't stop drivin that hot rod lincoln

06-04-2004, 07:09 AM	#4
71-longbed Its Magically Delicious Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oregon Posts: 2,398	removal process down ... how do you get the new one back in ?? __________________ 71 C10 LWB 350sbc -TH350 12 bolt 3.42 Posi Of all my favorite things to do, The utmost is to have a brew. My love grows for my foamy friend, with each thirst-quenching elbow bend. Beer so frosty, smooth, and cold it's paradise pure liquid gold. Yes beer means many things to me that's all for now cus I gotta pee.

06-04-2004, 10:39 AM	#5
71Rat ran out of money Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: northern, NJ Posts: 925	you should just be able to push it in and turn it clockwise and it should be in..... might not have to even turn it.... i think thats how i put mine back in Rat __________________ Modify everything, leave nothing alone!~

06-05-2004, 10:36 AM	#6
Blue Beard Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 8,834	Be sure the Battery is disconnected before you do it. __________________ 1970 Chev CST 2003 Harley Fatboy 1975 Chevrolet Step Van 1956 Chev Bel Air 1977 Blazer 2WD For Sale $3000.00 1978 Blazer 2WD For Sale $7000.00 1978 Silverado 2005 Monte Carlo

06-04-2004, 01:36 AM	#2
typhoon Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Comox B.C. Canada Posts: 20	I just took mine out yesterday, I stuck in the paperclip, turned counter-clockwise, then a wiggle jiggle, and it slipped out like a fart after thanksgiving dinner.

06-05-2004, 11:14 PM	#8
typhoon Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Comox B.C. Canada Posts: 20	just the lock cylinder will come out. The bezel will thread off after the lock barrel is out. did the key break off flush in the lock barrel?

06-06-2004, 08:48 AM	#9
thisolechevy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Gainesville, Fl Posts: 382	No it did not brake off flush, there was enough room to put a screwdriver in and turn the ignition cylinder

06-06-2004, 01:16 PM	#10
typhoon Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Comox B.C. Canada Posts: 20	try cutting a notch in a cheap or old common screwdriver so you can turn and pull on the barrel.

06-06-2004, 11:15 PM	#11
thisolechevy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Gainesville, Fl Posts: 382	Alright but I have a question If I were to remove the electrical plug from the back of the ignition switch would I be able to hot the engine from the plug? I know that the RED wire is the hot wire, but which wire is starter? and is this possible at all?

06-06-2004, 11:27 PM	#12
typhoon Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Comox B.C. Canada Posts: 20	sure, you can jump it that way, or add a switch. The starter motor will run off of the purple wire, applying power to that will energise the starter solinoid. it will work fine, it just won't be very proper, but if you not concerned with being proper don't worry.

06-07-2004, 01:21 PM	#13
thisolechevy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Gainesville, Fl Posts: 382	HA HA I am back in buisiness yeah!!!! Thanks Typhoon I got the old lock cylinder out, and the new one in it works great. With the old one in it always sounded like my bettery was about to die when I went to crank it, but the new one made a big improvement it just cranks right up!! thansk again for all the help all of you. Brad

06-07-2004, 02:34 PM	#14
thisolechevy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Gainesville, Fl Posts: 382	OHHHH ARGH I just took my truck the hardware stoer for a test run and guess what? again it wouldnt start for me!!! uh I hate it. Like I said before I replaced the ignition cylinder and I thought it was fixed, I have some questions. My engine is running alittle warm lately (I am in the process of fixing it now) but it runs about 200deg. would this affect the way my starter works? like if I were to have a faulty starter would it work cold just fine, and then when the engine heats up not work? I have a brand spankin' new battery and alternator The thing that gets me is you can push start the truck just fine, so it has power to the engine, it just wont start, the starter wont even click. Is there some type of relay? or wiring I need to check? Brad

06-07-2004, 02:44 PM	#15
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	A hot engine will fry your starter... Mine got a little warm on the manifolds when I ran it too lean once, my starter hasn't worked the same since... Its like my battery is dead when the truck is warm, but it has enough to get the truck to start (usually starts on the first to second crank) when the truck is cold, on the other hand, it will fire right up like normal. __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap)

06-07-2004, 04:00 PM	#16
thisolechevy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Gainesville, Fl Posts: 382	Hey I just found out that the truck will start up fine once i let the engine cool to under 160 deg. so it must be the starter. right???



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06-07-2004, 07:29 PM	#17
typhoon Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Comox B.C. Canada Posts: 20	The starter and solenoid both are affected by heat, usually trucks with headers have the exact problem you are discribing beacuse of the heat generated in that area. the cheapest thing you could do is install a heat shield so that there is a seperate air passage around the starter and solenoid, this will keep it cool and working when you want it too.

06-07-2004, 09:02 PM	#18
Blue Beard Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 8,834	Have to agree with typhoon.... Headers too close to the starter have been an issue....they do make heat shields for the application... __________________ 1970 Chev CST 2003 Harley Fatboy 1975 Chevrolet Step Van 1956 Chev Bel Air 1977 Blazer 2WD For Sale $3000.00 1978 Blazer 2WD For Sale $7000.00 1978 Silverado 2005 Monte Carlo

06-17-2004, 01:18 PM	#19
71-longbed Its Magically Delicious Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oregon Posts: 2,398	im trying to replace my ignition switch .. got the ock cylinder out .... the manual says after that .. to "remove metal ignition switch nut " ... i dont see any nut !!! please help ... i need to drive this truck today __________________ 71 C10 LWB 350sbc -TH350 12 bolt 3.42 Posi Of all my favorite things to do, The utmost is to have a brew. My love grows for my foamy friend, with each thirst-quenching elbow bend. Beer so frosty, smooth, and cold it's paradise pure liquid gold. Yes beer means many things to me that's all for now cus I gotta pee.

06-17-2004, 01:40 PM	#20
CPNE Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NH Posts: 6,664	The "nut" is the bezel itself. You may need to gently tap the bezel counterclockwise with a hammer and flat screwdriver. Lodge the screwdriver in one of the detents in the bezel to get it to move. __________________ Currently on or near the homestead: 67 Chevy SWB 2WD stepside 350/3 on tree (Pat's) 67 GMC SWB 2WD Fleet 402/auto (Brian's under construction) 67 Chevy 3/4 ton 2WD 402/auto (Business Hauler) 67 Chevy 1 ton dually 2WD 396/4 speed (Former business hauler, Needs TLC) 68 Chevy 1/2 ton Suburban 2WD 250 six/3 on tree (Brian's Needs TLC) 70 Chevy 3/4 ton 4WD 350/4 speed (Pat's - Disguised as a 68 GMC) 71 Chevy SWB stepside (Crushed by tree - parts donor) 72 Chevy 3/4 ton 4WD (Parts donor) 72 Chevy 3/4 ton 4WD Suburban (Parts Donor) 72 GMC 3/4 ton 4WD 292 six/4 speed (Mine - Disguised as a 67 GMC) 81 GMC 4WD Dually Dump Body 350/4 speed (Business Hauler) 82 Camaro Z/28 355/Super T-10 (Pat's toy) 93 Caprice 9C1 (Brian's Cop Car) 02 Toyota Camry (Reliable but a souless steel and plastic hulk) 2011 2SS RS Camaro M6 Factory Hurst Shifter Maybe I need to sell some of this crap Yet another Bozo with a sawz-all

06-17-2004, 02:30 PM	#21
71-longbed Its Magically Delicious Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oregon Posts: 2,398	I got it ...... now i know how those things fit in there :p everything works!!!! truck fired right up .... hope it clears up my catchin' starter issues thanks for the responses __________________ 71 C10 LWB 350sbc -TH350 12 bolt 3.42 Posi Of all my favorite things to do, The utmost is to have a brew. My love grows for my foamy friend, with each thirst-quenching elbow bend. Beer so frosty, smooth, and cold it's paradise pure liquid gold. Yes beer means many things to me that's all for now cus I gotta pee.

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