Crossover steering, what do I need? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

mkmiller1 · 03-09-2003, 12:26 AM

I know a couple of you guys have done crossover steering(Pont, 6869704x4) what exactly do I need? Call me "tupid" but could you make like a shopping list for the items needed? It will be for a D44 on a '71 with 3.73's.

Thanks,
Matthew

Ryan Flowers · 03-09-2003, 05:49 AM

mkmiller1,

I just started this project on some 3/4 Ton axles for my 85 GMC Suburban. I got alot of help from the guys on this forum. They sent me to www.partsmike.com He has everything you need. The total came out to less than $600 He is very knowlagable and friendly. Check him out.

Pont · 03-09-2003, 06:38 PM

Mr. mkmiller1, I would be glad to help out. If your on a budget and don't wanna spend $600, there are more affordable ways to do the swap. It also helps to be in good with someone who welds and does metal fabrication. I'm into my crossover setup for about $150.

I'm just heading out the door and won't be back til late tonight but when I get in, I'll either send you a private message or post here all the parts you'll need and what all is involved. If you wanna read through the following post, I think I describe all the parts that I used to make my crossover setup.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...threadid=15383

6869704X4 · 03-09-2003, 07:44 PM

I'll help too if I can.

mkmiller1 · 03-09-2003, 09:33 PM

Thanks for the replys folks!
I'm really not wanting to spend $600 bucks on the truck just yet(at least for crossover). I'll appreciate any info you can send my way, I've got a neighbor who is a welder by trade(we work out good deals-he tells me"Will weld for beer") and I'm pretty handy around the truck. Thanks for the "MR." Pont, but I'm only 21 with 9 years experience(i.e.30); you make me feel older.LOL Y'all can email me any info at mkmiller@magnolia-net.com and I love pics!!! This will only be a FUN truck with minimal FUNDS put into it hopefully.
Thanks again,
Matthew

Pont · 03-10-2003, 12:59 AM

Matthew (Mr. mkmiller1)

I sent you an email.........

Ryan Flowers · 03-10-2003, 08:29 AM

Matthew,

Pont knows where to find better deals than me. I didn't shop around that much. Posted on the forum I was doing my lift and the cross over steering came up and partsmike's name came up a few times. I went with him because he had the complete kit.

Pont,

Hey man I still have another Suburban that I plan on doing the cross over to. Any info you could send that would save me money would be greatly appreciated.

The kit includes all new parts:
PMPs New casting tall knuckles
Spicer ball joints with snap ring, cotter pin, nuts, adjuster
Spindle studs and nuts
PMPs *Custom flat arms or **Super arms
High steer studs
Cone washers
Lock nuts
Stop bolt and nut

Kit with custom flat arms. Part # SP1101KK $699*
Kit with super arms. Part # SP1102KK $739**

Thanks,

Ryan Flowers · 03-10-2003, 08:34 AM

Pont,

Also I am wanting to do the disc brake conversion to both burbans. Do you have any advice?

Matthew,

Good luck on the cross over steering. Post us some before and after pics when you are done. How big of a lift did you go with?

6869704X4 · 03-10-2003, 11:06 AM

My parts list.
D44 axle with blown chunk. $50 (for axle shafts and disc knuckles)
Machine work for right knuckle. $60
Steering arm and stud kit from Shakerbuilt $110(to my door)
Drag link(1.25 tubing threaded for Chevy drag link ends) from Shakerbuilt $73(to my door)
Pitman arm from 70s fullsize jeep(DONT USE THIS ONE) $10
4x2 steering box $25

I also bought new ball joints, tie-rod ends, and brakes. This cost more than the parts for the steering mod.

Pont · 03-10-2003, 06:08 PM

Ryan, I'm not sure I would be any help on the disc brake conversions. I simply took the old closed knuckle Dana 44 drum brake front axle out of my truck and put in an open knuckle Dana 44 disc brake front axle. The newer front axle came out of an 80 Blazer (I don't know if it was original or not) and it was a bolt in swap. As far as changing knuckles or spindles from drum to disc, I wouldn't have a clue. Sorry........

Bob Chayer · 03-10-2003, 09:41 PM

Check out www.offroaddesign.com They have what you need and the parts are good quality.

Good luck!

mkmiller1 · 03-10-2003, 09:45 PM

Thanks for the help and advice so far.

Ryan-I'll post the pics when I start the process and somplete till finish. I've got the blazer drivetrain torn into a million pieces but will have it back together by weeks end. Then I'll start on the "jackup" as my 3 yr.old daughter calls it. It's only going to have a 4" lift(maybe a 2" body as well) and will just be a toy.

6869704x4-What all did the machine shop do on the right knuckle? I just want to know, if I have it done that way, what to expect of them on price for what they do.

Pont-Thanks for the description and pics! My 5 yr. old son could figure it out with that description.

Thanks again,
Matthew

GreenMystChevy · 03-11-2003, 01:59 AM

Pont:

First and foremost, I have always loved the look of your truck.

Second, if you have the time and are cool with it, could you either post the info that you sent to Mr. mkmiller1 on the board or send it my way. I just made a deal for a 4x4 with another member and I have hopes and dreams for some modifications. Thanks.

6869704X4 · 03-11-2003, 10:35 AM

mkmiller, He machined the top of the knuckle and drilled and tapped 3 holes. I took the Shakerbuilt steering arm and left knuckle in so he would have a reference.

Ryan, Swapping the whole axle is pretty easy. But if your doing new balljoints you have every thing apart anyway. My experience was on a 70 drum axle. To make everything fit right I had to swap from the knuckle on out. And I used the newer beefier axle shafts. The only parts I reused were my locking hubs.

Pont · 03-11-2003, 11:06 AM

GreenMystChevy, give me your email address and I will send you the same email I sent Matthew.

If anyone else is interested in this info, just post your email address and I'll be happy to pass it along.

Rob Pont

Ryan Flowers · 03-11-2003, 11:58 AM

Pont,

Here is my e-mail address for the info:

ryanflowers@tacticalassaultsystems.com

Thanks,

Pont · 03-11-2003, 12:10 PM

Ryan, email has been sent.

Rob

GreenMystChevy · 03-11-2003, 12:21 PM

Pont:

Email address for the info:

pinkej@spu.edu

Thanks

Pont · 03-11-2003, 12:34 PM

Jeremy, email sent and thanks for the kind words on my truck. It's a project (well actually more like a money pit lately) that needs alot of work.

Rob

Bill W · 03-11-2003, 04:48 PM

check out web site below. Two articles on cross-over steering one for Dana 44 the other for Dana 60.

http://www.off-road.com/chevy/tech.html

6869704X4 · 03-11-2003, 08:13 PM

Thats a good site. Whats cool about 1st gen trucks is that they are easier to do xover steering than the newer ones. No xmember issues.

danho · 03-14-2003, 11:42 AM

This is a very informative link that I thought I'd throw out, should answer all your questions.
Dan.
http://www.rightcoastcrawler.com/bil...ngresearch.htm

Burls75Chev · 03-17-2003, 12:10 AM

Pont:

I was wondering if you could also send me the email containing the information on the crossover steering you did on your truck. I am nearing the completion of my truck and I know it is going to be a bugger to steer. Thanks,

Evan

wheel@tenforward.com

TX_Mudder · 03-17-2003, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6869704X4
Whats cool about 1st gen trucks is that they are easier to do xover steering than the newer ones. No xmember issues.

http://mo-offroad.com/Replacementcrossmember.htm

Simple and works well. No biggie.
-- Mike

03-09-2003, 12:26 AM	#1
mkmiller1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Magnolia, Arkansas Posts: 1,091	Crossover steering, what do I need? I know a couple of you guys have done crossover steering(Pont, 6869704x4) what exactly do I need? Call me "tupid" but could you make like a shopping list for the items needed? It will be for a D44 on a '71 with 3.73's. Thanks, Matthew __________________ GOD is good...All the time! '71 swb custom10 barn find-68K original miles 72 K5 CST rust bucket, but runs and drives 84K miles

03-09-2003, 05:49 AM	#2
Ryan Flowers No Brakes Club Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Carthage, N.C. Posts: 263	mkmiller1, I just started this project on some 3/4 Ton axles for my 85 GMC Suburban. I got alot of help from the guys on this forum. They sent me to www.partsmike.com He has everything you need. The total came out to less than $600 He is very knowlagable and friendly. Check him out. __________________ Ryan Flowers 85 GMC Suburban 4x4 379 90 GMC Suburban 4x4 383 01 Chevy Suburban 2x4 350 Click here to email me Click here to visit my web site

03-09-2003, 06:38 PM	#3
Pont I need another Barley Pop Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Grants Pass, OR Posts: 1,629	Mr. mkmiller1, I would be glad to help out. If your on a budget and don't wanna spend $600, there are more affordable ways to do the swap. It also helps to be in good with someone who welds and does metal fabrication. I'm into my crossover setup for about $150. I'm just heading out the door and won't be back til late tonight but when I get in, I'll either send you a private message or post here all the parts you'll need and what all is involved. If you wanna read through the following post, I think I describe all the parts that I used to make my crossover setup. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...threadid=15383 __________________ 67 Short Fleet 4x4 04 Honda CRF450R 89 Toyota 4-Runner 34 Ford 2 door sedan - Long term project ---------------------------------------------- There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness"

03-09-2003, 07:44 PM	#4
6869704X4 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: SE NM Posts: 769	I'll help too if I can. __________________ The more I learn about women, the more I love my truck.

03-09-2003, 09:33 PM	#5
mkmiller1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Magnolia, Arkansas Posts: 1,091	Thanks for the replys folks! I'm really not wanting to spend $600 bucks on the truck just yet(at least for crossover). I'll appreciate any info you can send my way, I've got a neighbor who is a welder by trade(we work out good deals-he tells me"Will weld for beer") and I'm pretty handy around the truck. Thanks for the "MR." Pont, but I'm only 21 with 9 years experience(i.e.30); you make me feel older.LOL Y'all can email me any info at mkmiller@magnolia-net.com and I love pics!!! This will only be a FUN truck with minimal FUNDS put into it hopefully. Thanks again, Matthew __________________ GOD is good...All the time! '71 swb custom10 barn find-68K original miles 72 K5 CST rust bucket, but runs and drives 84K miles

03-10-2003, 12:59 AM	#6
Pont I need another Barley Pop Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Grants Pass, OR Posts: 1,629	Matthew (Mr. mkmiller1) I sent you an email......... __________________ 67 Short Fleet 4x4 04 Honda CRF450R 89 Toyota 4-Runner 34 Ford 2 door sedan - Long term project ---------------------------------------------- There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness"

03-10-2003, 08:29 AM	#7
Ryan Flowers No Brakes Club Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Carthage, N.C. Posts: 263	Matthew, Pont knows where to find better deals than me. I didn't shop around that much. Posted on the forum I was doing my lift and the cross over steering came up and partsmike's name came up a few times. I went with him because he had the complete kit. Pont, Hey man I still have another Suburban that I plan on doing the cross over to. Any info you could send that would save me money would be greatly appreciated. The kit includes all new parts: PMPs New casting tall knuckles Spicer ball joints with snap ring, cotter pin, nuts, adjuster Spindle studs and nuts PMPs Custom flat arms or Super arms High steer studs Cone washers Lock nuts Stop bolt and nut Kit with custom flat arms. Part # SP1101KK $699 Kit with super arms. Part # SP1102KK $739** Thanks, Attached Images __________________ Ryan Flowers 85 GMC Suburban 4x4 379 90 GMC Suburban 4x4 383 01 Chevy Suburban 2x4 350 Click here to email me Click here to visit my web site

03-10-2003, 08:34 AM	#8
Ryan Flowers No Brakes Club Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Carthage, N.C. Posts: 263	Pont, Also I am wanting to do the disc brake conversion to both burbans. Do you have any advice? Matthew, Good luck on the cross over steering. Post us some before and after pics when you are done. How big of a lift did you go with? __________________ Ryan Flowers 85 GMC Suburban 4x4 379 90 GMC Suburban 4x4 383 01 Chevy Suburban 2x4 350 Click here to email me Click here to visit my web site

03-10-2003, 11:06 AM	#9
6869704X4 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: SE NM Posts: 769	My parts list. D44 axle with blown chunk. $50 (for axle shafts and disc knuckles) Machine work for right knuckle. $60 Steering arm and stud kit from Shakerbuilt $110(to my door) Drag link(1.25 tubing threaded for Chevy drag link ends) from Shakerbuilt $73(to my door) Pitman arm from 70s fullsize jeep(DONT USE THIS ONE) $10 4x2 steering box $25 I also bought new ball joints, tie-rod ends, and brakes. This cost more than the parts for the steering mod. __________________ The more I learn about women, the more I love my truck.

03-10-2003, 06:08 PM	#10
Pont I need another Barley Pop Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Grants Pass, OR Posts: 1,629	Ryan, I'm not sure I would be any help on the disc brake conversions. I simply took the old closed knuckle Dana 44 drum brake front axle out of my truck and put in an open knuckle Dana 44 disc brake front axle. The newer front axle came out of an 80 Blazer (I don't know if it was original or not) and it was a bolt in swap. As far as changing knuckles or spindles from drum to disc, I wouldn't have a clue. Sorry........ __________________ 67 Short Fleet 4x4 04 Honda CRF450R 89 Toyota 4-Runner 34 Ford 2 door sedan - Long term project ---------------------------------------------- There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness"

03-10-2003, 09:41 PM	#11
Bob Chayer Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mid, NH Posts: 150	Check out www.offroaddesign.com They have what you need and the parts are good quality. Good luck! __________________ Bob Chayer 71 3/4 ton 4X4 Suburban

03-10-2003, 09:45 PM	#12
mkmiller1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Magnolia, Arkansas Posts: 1,091	Thanks for the help and advice so far. Ryan-I'll post the pics when I start the process and somplete till finish. I've got the blazer drivetrain torn into a million pieces but will have it back together by weeks end. Then I'll start on the "jackup" as my 3 yr.old daughter calls it. It's only going to have a 4" lift(maybe a 2" body as well) and will just be a toy. 6869704x4-What all did the machine shop do on the right knuckle? I just want to know, if I have it done that way, what to expect of them on price for what they do. Pont-Thanks for the description and pics! My 5 yr. old son could figure it out with that description. Thanks again, Matthew __________________ GOD is good...All the time! '71 swb custom10 barn find-68K original miles 72 K5 CST rust bucket, but runs and drives 84K miles

03-11-2003, 01:59 AM	#13
GreenMystChevy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Woodinville, WA Posts: 513	Pont: First and foremost, I have always loved the look of your truck. Second, if you have the time and are cool with it, could you either post the info that you sent to Mr. mkmiller1 on the board or send it my way. I just made a deal for a 4x4 with another member and I have hopes and dreams for some modifications. Thanks. __________________ Jeremy '71 C-10 '72 GMC K2500 '72 Nova (Dad's) '70 Chevelle SS '55 Sedan Delivery Attempting to build up this here 4x4...make her real tall and purty...well, maybe just tall

03-11-2003, 10:35 AM	#14
6869704X4 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: SE NM Posts: 769	mkmiller, He machined the top of the knuckle and drilled and tapped 3 holes. I took the Shakerbuilt steering arm and left knuckle in so he would have a reference. Ryan, Swapping the whole axle is pretty easy. But if your doing new balljoints you have every thing apart anyway. My experience was on a 70 drum axle. To make everything fit right I had to swap from the knuckle on out. And I used the newer beefier axle shafts. The only parts I reused were my locking hubs. __________________ The more I learn about women, the more I love my truck.

03-11-2003, 11:06 AM	#15
Pont I need another Barley Pop Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Grants Pass, OR Posts: 1,629	GreenMystChevy, give me your email address and I will send you the same email I sent Matthew. If anyone else is interested in this info, just post your email address and I'll be happy to pass it along. Rob Pont __________________ 67 Short Fleet 4x4 04 Honda CRF450R 89 Toyota 4-Runner 34 Ford 2 door sedan - Long term project ---------------------------------------------- There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness"



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03-11-2003, 11:58 AM	#16
Ryan Flowers No Brakes Club Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Carthage, N.C. Posts: 263	Pont, Here is my e-mail address for the info: ryanflowers@tacticalassaultsystems.com Thanks, __________________ Ryan Flowers 85 GMC Suburban 4x4 379 90 GMC Suburban 4x4 383 01 Chevy Suburban 2x4 350 Click here to email me Click here to visit my web site

03-11-2003, 12:10 PM	#17
Pont I need another Barley Pop Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Grants Pass, OR Posts: 1,629	Ryan, email has been sent. Rob __________________ 67 Short Fleet 4x4 04 Honda CRF450R 89 Toyota 4-Runner 34 Ford 2 door sedan - Long term project ---------------------------------------------- There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness"

03-11-2003, 12:21 PM	#18
GreenMystChevy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Woodinville, WA Posts: 513	Pont: Email address for the info: pinkej@spu.edu Thanks __________________ Jeremy '71 C-10 '72 GMC K2500 '72 Nova (Dad's) '70 Chevelle SS '55 Sedan Delivery Attempting to build up this here 4x4...make her real tall and purty...well, maybe just tall

03-11-2003, 12:34 PM	#19
Pont I need another Barley Pop Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Grants Pass, OR Posts: 1,629	Jeremy, email sent and thanks for the kind words on my truck. It's a project (well actually more like a money pit lately) that needs alot of work. Rob __________________ 67 Short Fleet 4x4 04 Honda CRF450R 89 Toyota 4-Runner 34 Ford 2 door sedan - Long term project ---------------------------------------------- There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness" Last edited by Pont; 03-11-2003 at 12:36 PM.

03-11-2003, 04:48 PM	#20
Bill W Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 229	check out web site below. Two articles on cross-over steering one for Dana 44 the other for Dana 60. http://www.off-road.com/chevy/tech.html

03-11-2003, 08:13 PM	#21
6869704X4 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: SE NM Posts: 769	Thats a good site. Whats cool about 1st gen trucks is that they are easier to do xover steering than the newer ones. No xmember issues. __________________ The more I learn about women, the more I love my truck.

03-14-2003, 11:42 AM	#22
danho Pesemistic Optimist Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Prineville, Oregon Posts: 227	xover steering This is a very informative link that I thought I'd throw out, should answer all your questions. Dan. http://www.rightcoastcrawler.com/bil...ngresearch.htm

03-17-2003, 12:10 AM	#23
Burls75Chev Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Port Angeles, Wa Posts: 5	Pont: I was wondering if you could also send me the email containing the information on the crossover steering you did on your truck. I am nearing the completion of my truck and I know it is going to be a bugger to steer. Thanks, Evan wheel@tenforward.com __________________ Evan Wheeler 75 Chevy: Short bed, mildy built 350, 8 inch Suspension lift, 3 inch body, 39 inch M/T Baja Belteds, and 15x12 American Racing wheels.

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