Dedenbear Electric shift (Marv, Regan or anyone with experience)

[Super73]

Marv and Regan, I know you guys use the CO2 style shifters. Any reason you don't use the electric soleniod style? Is it because you are running 3 speeds vs powerglides? I'm seriously considering buying a dedenbear SS5 shifter. I can use my shiftlight/window switch to fire a relay and shift the truck.

You guys know anyone running them? Good bad experiences?

Thanks in advance.

[regan wilson]

I used a Shifnoid electric for years (reverse pattern 3 speed) . I time shfted it on the 1-2 . I tried to make it rpm the 2-3 but never could make it work . I started having trouble with it not making the 1-2 in the middle of last year and took all that crap out . Now I have more fun ! . Granted it is throttle stop racing but I make it work . I pull it into 2nd when I pass the tree and the truck goes wide open in 2nd gear and pull high gear on my own like I have for years . I know this didnt help you much ... If you are doing a 2 speed I would go co2 no matter what brand of shifter .

[Super73]

What are the benifits/disadvantages of CO2 vs Electric noid?

I'm looking at a glide locally that has a manaul valve body/t-brake that has the electric shift noid in the trans rather than on a shifter. Trying to find info on how they work as well.

[68 C-10 KID]

Super73 good thing your truck is a bullet. I Honestly think your going to bore the hell out of your self not having nothing to do as you rip down the track.

Its a great choice to use co2 shift solenoid If you plan on bracket racing.

[Super73]

I wouldn't go as far as calling it a bullet.. That's more Regan, Kevin, Big Jim and several others on here..

Trust me, there is enough to do with the N20, watching guages ect to keep me busy..

[Marv D]

A little late to the conversation here,, but like Regan,, I tossed the shiftnoid stuff when it was continually screwing up. Went back to manual shift, then to air with a PG (still a Aerospace CO2 glide shifter in the Nova) ,,, and now to the SCS Cheeta / Dedenbear for the truck. Air is the ONLY way to go IMO. Yes it's one more thing to have issues with (like a empty bottle, leaking line etc) but it's Soooo much more solid and responsive.

I ran a B&M Proratchet with the Shiftnoid 3spd deal on the Nova for years. It would 'almost all the time' shift just fine. Then there was that random 2-3 missed shift that drove me nuts. It's pretty nerve racking seeing the shiftlight on and the rpm's keep climbing all the way to the limiter before you figure out the stupid shiftnoid POS failed again.

One thing I can tell you for SURE. Do NOT attempt to use a RPM switch to trigger the 3speed shift if you have a loose converter. Most of the RPM switches will not reset quick enough to be the trigger for the 2-3 shift. The MSD RPM switch and a dial-a chip thingy,, Don't work either! ONLY a window switch will positively reset when the rpm's fall below the rpm setting. In a RPM switch's defense,, it is intended to activate something the FIRST time the rpm is reached. It's not a 'window',,, its a trigger. Great for a glide, sucks for a 3 or 4speed shift trigger.

The Dedenbear/SCS 3speed air shift is a sweet deal. Only made one pass that I activated the shift function and I am using my CC# delay box for RPM shift right now (has programmable 1-2 and 2-3 rpm or by time shifts) I LOVE it.
Just moved the truck Wednesday for the first time since the axle explosion so will start the process of working out the bugs here real soon.

[Super73]

Marv,

I am planing on running the electric shift (if that's the way I go) off my current N20 window switch for the N20. It is fully adjustable with dip switches in 100 rpm increments so that will be nice.

Since I have ordered the glide, the single shift whould reduce the issues you speak of. I'm still not dead set on the electric shift either way. I need to get the glide in and see how much money I realy have left before I make any decision.

[stich626]

why not just add a few more transmitters and stand behind the truck with a rc remote..
sorry I hate this type racing.. takes all the skill out of it.. take the human reaction out of it..

[Marv D]

Yeah but someone has to be there to release the go button, and stomp the chute release as you cross the finish line. Few are as good as Regan and can shift a 150+mph S/st monster consistently enough to run the same .001 over and over and over. Consistency wins races, and if everyone else is doing it.....

Shaun, I still think you would be happier with Co2,,, but your budget, your decision, and you have to live with the results of the decision. I sure wish you could try both before making the decision.

Oh, and speaking of glide shifters, I left this same link in the other post. Just a suggestion.

http://www.aerospacecomponents.com/i...d=31&Itemid=71

[Super73]

Originally Posted by stich626

why not just add a few more transmitters and stand behind the truck with a rc remote..
sorry I hate this type racing.. takes all the skill out of it.. take the human reaction out of it..

Really, takes the skill out? Let's say you are on an auto shift, you leave the line, blow the tires off and need to pedal it. It might want to auto shift on you because you come up on the shift point aufly fast, what are you going to do??

Or it get's out from under you and you need too shift sooner to slow the tire speed down.. What do you do??

I agree that it makes it easier, but it's never going to be perfect. A driver is still going to have to drive, and someone such as myself and guys like Marv/Regan/Kevin (Not to mentione others on here) that drive and tune their own trucks/cars, gain more respect IMO. But hey, what do I know..

[stich626]

I respect all racers , but hold more for the ones that can run the index without all the trickery..

[regan wilson]

Originally Posted by stich626

why not just add a few more transmitters and stand behind the truck with a rc remote..
sorry I hate this type racing.. takes all the skill out of it.. take the human reaction out of it..

So what kind of racing do you do ? If you think what I do takes no skill all I can tell you is come get you some ! Then you can get on here and tell us how easy it is .

[stich626]

88-99 sunbird on a 9.90 with no tricks just a trans brake button
94- up nascar north
hope next year to have my 496 in my 70 velle and be back up at N.E.D. with no tricks just a transbrake button and a log book

[Super73]

Stich,

I'm assuming that is NA in like a 2,400-2,600lb car?

[djracer]

I have used co2 for years but I plan to try electric this next go around. I always had leaks with the CO2.

[KQQL IT]

My friend just made class champion in E/gas in the WCHR deal with a 4 spd car.

[Marv D]

Originally Posted by stich626

88-99 sunbird on a 9.90 with no tricks just a trans brake button
94- up nascar north
hope next year to have my 496 in my 70 velle and be back up at N.E.D. with no tricks just a transbrake button and a log book

Not trying to hammer Stich, Just stating facts. I've ran 9.13 @ 147 in my 2600 pound Nova, shifting manually (out of Co2 and like Kevin said,, it's one of the 'issues' that comes with air). However, next pass in nearly identical weather, still 'rowing my own' with a empty Co2 bottle it ran 9.2something. (Remember because I dialed 9.15 hoping I could have some room to make up for mistakes at the top end and didn't even get CLOSE!). That will NOT work bracket racing where I come from. You put together .015 - .025 packages or you go home early!

Not saying it can't be done. We have guys like Regan that tossed the automated shift in the trash and runs S/St with a 160+MPH pickup,,,,, and WINNING more than he looses.

If your running a full S/G schedule (15+ races a season), and winning,, my hats off to you, Regan and the rest of you running successfully in an electronics class with no electronics.