PS conversion saga-journey into insanity part 2-help pls - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

ubtripn · 05-08-2011, 07:22 PM

Well, I got the brackets working, the new pump fits perfectly in them and the whole unit into the truck BUT the pulley sticks out to far to align with any of my grooves on my harmonic balancer. Please see the pics below. I have two questions:

1. Does my truck have a short or long water pump and does it matter?
2. Do power steering pumps come with different size pulley shafts because when I put the pump in the brackets I am only 1 grooves length away but it sticks out too far to hook to anything? and I have 3 grooves down below but they are obscured in the pic by a belt laying across them,

I am losing my mind on this one. I need some last advice from this generous group.

I used the brackets from the van and just chopped of the piece that would have attached to the exhaust because my alternator already does so, have a look.

What are my options here?
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mightymouse · 05-08-2011, 07:28 PM

i dont know but in the pic looks like maybe pulley on p/s pump turned around backwards?

ubtripn · 05-08-2011, 07:31 PM

Wow, I gonna go check right now, thanks for the input.

ubtripn · 05-08-2011, 07:33 PM

I think that was it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!thanks!!!!!!!

67Slider · 05-08-2011, 07:33 PM

^^Looks that way to me too.

Autoblueprint · 05-08-2011, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mightymouse

i dont know but in the pic looks like maybe pulley on p/s pump turned around backwards?

It is on backwards.

You MAY need a special tool to PRESS the pulley on...do NOT hammer the pulley on.

ubtripn · 05-08-2011, 10:39 PM

Well, got it in the truck and it is off center a little. Enough for the pulley to slightly rub the second bracket which by the way I cannot figure out the purpose it serves. (As everybody can tell by now I am learning and humbled) But I am thinking about just using the rear bracket with the two bolts going to the block and the two bolt to the ps pump one of which is adjustable. The bracket that goes on top is buying me no extra support from what I can tell. Anybody ever just use a flat bracket with the four holes one of which is elongated for adjusting?

**oldgold70c10** · 05-08-2011, 11:45 PM

I use both. The cast front bracket keeps the pump square under belt tension & load so the belt doesn't pop off.

ubtripn · 05-09-2011, 08:10 AM

So I see more grinding in my future. Also, the shaft on my new pump moves in and out if you push and ppull just a little (1/16 to 1/8 of an inch) is this normal?

*taank* · 05-09-2011, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ubtripn

So I see more grinding in my future. Also, the shaft on my new pump moves in and out if you push and ppull just a little (1/16 to 1/8 of an inch) is this normal?

Yes.
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Husker · 05-09-2011, 09:18 AM

Moroso I think makes a shim kit if you need to shim so your pulleys line up.
Ron

Richard H. · 05-09-2011, 09:20 AM

You have a short pump and I think the ps pulley is for a long pump with ac.

ubtripn · 05-09-2011, 02:17 PM

I see, I was just going to shim with washers since it not too far off. However, I have 3 grooves on the pulley on my harmonic balancer down below, can I just use one of those?

*taank* · 05-09-2011, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ubtripn

I see, I was just going to shim with washers since it ot too far off. However, I have 3 grooves on the pulley on my harmonic balancer down below, can I just use one of those?

Go to junkyard. Get entire serpentine belt setup from a 96 silverado. Bolt on. And be done with it. No more bull**** adjustments. And no squeaky belts!
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ubtripn · 05-09-2011, 03:34 PM

I want to have separate belts for my alternator, ps and eventually ac, that way when one goes I don't lose everything until I get a new belt. But thanks for tha advice. I did consider that option earlier.

Richard H. · 05-09-2011, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ubtripn

I see, I was just going to shim with washers since it ot too far off. However, I have 3 grooves on the pulley on my harmonic balancer down below, can I just use one of those?

On the crank pulley ... closest to the engine is the alt. middle is ac outside ps. with a short pump.
Oh, if you have a short pump crank pulley.

Autoblueprint · 05-09-2011, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ubtripn

1. Does my truck have a short or long water pump and does it matter?

Photo shows a long water pump.

ubtripn · 05-10-2011, 08:19 AM

That is great information thank you! I got the pump in, have a look, I think if I put the right pulley on it will work. It would work now but the alt belt misses the inside groove of the pulley on the oump by 1/4 inch. Could I just get a pulley with the outside groove and not 2 grooves. Do I in fact have the wrong pulley? Check out the pics: Plus the cracnk pulley slants slightly upwards towards the hood with the engine and my pump does not. I don't know if it is enough of a difference to matter though?

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ubtripn · 05-10-2011, 09:08 AM

So I can run a belt straight to the crank thuogh and be ok right?

ubtripn · 05-10-2011, 09:22 AM

I have the alternator on the wrong crank groove, that solves that. Thanks richard h.

05-08-2011, 07:22 PM	#1
ubtripn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 1,280	PS conversion saga-journey into insanity part 2-help pls Well, I got the brackets working, the new pump fits perfectly in them and the whole unit into the truck BUT the pulley sticks out to far to align with any of my grooves on my harmonic balancer. Please see the pics below. I have two questions: 1. Does my truck have a short or long water pump and does it matter? 2. Do power steering pumps come with different size pulley shafts because when I put the pump in the brackets I am only 1 grooves length away but it sticks out too far to hook to anything? and I have 3 grooves down below but they are obscured in the pic by a belt laying across them, I am losing my mind on this one. I need some last advice from this generous group. I used the brackets from the van and just chopped of the piece that would have attached to the exhaust because my alternator already does so, have a look. What are my options here? Last edited by ubtripn; 05-08-2011 at 07:30 PM.

05-08-2011, 07:28 PM	#2
mightymouse Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Crowley TX Posts: 979	Re: PS conversion saga-journey into insanity part 2-help pls i dont know but in the pic looks like maybe pulley on p/s pump turned around backwards?

05-08-2011, 07:31 PM	#3
ubtripn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 1,280	Re: PS conversion saga-journey into insanity part 2-help pls Wow, I gonna go check right now, thanks for the input. Last edited by ubtripn; 05-10-2011 at 10:57 AM.

05-08-2011, 07:33 PM	#4
ubtripn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 1,280	Re: PS conversion saga-journey into insanity part 2-help pls I think that was it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!thanks!!!!!!!

05-08-2011, 07:33 PM	#5
67Slider Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pueblo West, CO Posts: 944	Re: PS conversion saga-journey into insanity part 2-help pls ^^Looks that way to me too. __________________ 67 C10 Stepside 66 Mustang Coupe 99 Burb 2500

05-08-2011, 10:39 PM	#7
ubtripn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 1,280	Re: PS conversion saga-journey into insanity part 2-help pls Well, got it in the truck and it is off center a little. Enough for the pulley to slightly rub the second bracket which by the way I cannot figure out the purpose it serves. (As everybody can tell by now I am learning and humbled) But I am thinking about just using the rear bracket with the two bolts going to the block and the two bolt to the ps pump one of which is adjustable. The bracket that goes on top is buying me no extra support from what I can tell. Anybody ever just use a flat bracket with the four holes one of which is elongated for adjusting?

05-08-2011, 11:45 PM	#8
oldgold70c10 Who's got steelies? Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Morrison, Oklahoma Posts: 1,025	Re: PS conversion saga-journey into insanity part 2-help pls I use both. The cast front bracket keeps the pump square under belt tension & load so the belt doesn't pop off. __________________ 1969 C10 LWB W/ 250 I6 & 3spd 1970 C10 with '67 small window cab, 68 front end, blue; 305/TH350, 3.08 limited slip rear end, manual brakes, power steering; & 4-wheel drums-My daily driver. 1975 Chevelle Malibu Classic Coupe 350/th350 mint green 1970 C20 Suburban 350/700R4 4.10 gearing green & white 1978 Big 10 Silverado 350/th350, working ac, 2 tone blue-My summer daily driver 1983 GMC 1500 Sierra 305/SM465 2.73 rear end How to add a trip odometer to your 67-72 stock speedometer How to rebuild your Q-Jet My Truck Page My Youtube Channel

05-09-2011, 08:10 AM	#9
ubtripn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 1,280	Re: PS conversion saga-journey into insanity part 2-help pls So I see more grinding in my future. Also, the shaft on my new pump moves in and out if you push and ppull just a little (1/16 to 1/8 of an inch) is this normal?

05-09-2011, 09:18 AM	#11
Husker Registered User Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Mid NE USA Posts: 2,212	Re: PS conversion saga-journey into insanity part 2-help pls Moroso I think makes a shim kit if you need to shim so your pulleys line up. Ron __________________ Member #111 68 C-10 Daily Driver 70 4x4 Project 76 Jeep CJ-5 Help Support the Board: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/payments.php He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. Thomas Jefferson

05-09-2011, 09:20 AM	#12
Richard H. Spanked once Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Intheshop, Indiana Posts: 969	Re: PS conversion saga-journey into insanity part 2-help pls You have a short pump and I think the ps pulley is for a long pump with ac. __________________ The ole 350 budget build.

05-09-2011, 02:17 PM	#13
ubtripn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 1,280	Re: PS conversion saga-journey into insanity part 2-help pls I see, I was just going to shim with washers since it not too far off. However, I have 3 grooves on the pulley on my harmonic balancer down below, can I just use one of those? Last edited by ubtripn; 05-10-2011 at 10:36 AM.

05-09-2011, 03:34 PM	#15
ubtripn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 1,280	Re: PS conversion saga-journey into insanity part 2-help pls I want to have separate belts for my alternator, ps and eventually ac, that way when one goes I don't lose everything until I get a new belt. But thanks for tha advice. I did consider that option earlier. Last edited by ubtripn; 05-09-2011 at 03:34 PM.

05-10-2011, 08:19 AM	#18
ubtripn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 1,280	Re: PS conversion saga-journey into insanity part 2-help pls That is great information thank you! I got the pump in, have a look, I think if I put the right pulley on it will work. It would work now but the alt belt misses the inside groove of the pulley on the oump by 1/4 inch. Could I just get a pulley with the outside groove and not 2 grooves. Do I in fact have the wrong pulley? Check out the pics: Plus the cracnk pulley slants slightly upwards towards the hood with the engine and my pump does not. I don't know if it is enough of a difference to matter though? Last edited by ubtripn; 05-10-2011 at 08:22 AM.

05-10-2011, 09:08 AM	#19
ubtripn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 1,280	Re: PS conversion saga-journey into insanity part 2-help pls So I can run a belt straight to the crank thuogh and be ok right?

05-10-2011, 09:22 AM	#20
ubtripn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 1,280	Re: PS conversion saga-journey into insanity part 2-help pls I have the alternator on the wrong crank groove, that solves that. Thanks richard h. Last edited by ubtripn; 05-10-2011 at 10:48 AM.



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