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06-24-2013, 11:51 PM | #1 |
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Better ride for 59 Apache
Hey guys, say you have 1.5k -2k. WHat would be the best way to get these Apaches to feel and ride like a 60s-70s coil truck including disc brakes up front ? Any kits to change from leaf springs to coils ? I know CPP sells disc brakes upfront for about $700 , what about leaf spring conversions ?
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06-24-2013, 11:54 PM | #2 |
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Re: Better ride for 59 Apache
Camaro clip for that budget. It'll ride better than the typical "60's - 70's truck".
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06-25-2013, 12:46 AM | #3 |
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Re: Better ride for 59 Apache
Yes, 2nd gen. Rear axle of a Camaro was a live axle just like our trucks. You might have to flip the axle on the leaf springs to level out the stance.
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06-25-2013, 07:30 AM | #5 |
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Re: Better ride for 59 Apache
For 2K you should be able to do the 2nd gen Camaro and a bolt on 4 bar kit for the rear. Should make it ride good and handle decent.
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06-25-2013, 09:31 AM | #6 |
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Agreed. For the ebst ride and low bucks a 2nd generation Camaro, Monte Carlo, Firebird or Nova will all make great donor cars for a weld on front clip. And there is a ton of information online for doing this swap.
Here is the thread that has become the gospel of Camaro clip how to's online http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ht=camaro+clip
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06-25-2013, 10:43 AM | #7 |
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Frijolito, IF your biggest concern is an improved ride you don't need to spend the cash to four bar the rear. It'll ride fine with the stock rear end suspended as stock except flipped.
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Now if we just mess around and put the rear axle under the leafs, wouldn't we need new brakets or do we just flip them around ? Is there something similar that can be done to the front to improve ride and maybe lower it a bit ? |
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There is this option but this would kill your budget:
http://www.totalcostinvolved.com/p/9...-plain-package
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06-25-2013, 07:11 PM | #11 |
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Yeah, there's that but IF he were going to go with an aftermarket IFS he'd still need to replace or modify his steering column. That's MORE $$.
I still think the clip is the way to get the "mostest-for-the-leastest" on his stated budget. But if he's got fabrication chops or a good buddy with some and willingness to help maybe a Welder Series IFS crossmember & parts? It's more than the clip but a lot less than aftermarket full IFS setup. Anyone have first hand experience with Welder Series stuff? Posted via Mobile Device |
06-25-2013, 08:04 PM | #12 |
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Re: Better ride for 59 Apache
Why not just do a complete frame swap with the 60-70s truck if that's the ride you want?
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06-25-2013, 08:14 PM | #13 |
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That'd work, BUT it takes even more building & fabricating skill than the "clip & flip". Plus as your '57 shows, clip & flip looks EXCELLENT. I've always thought a lot of frame swaps come out looking odd.
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Clip and flip is the easiest and least expensive route- I bought my '78 Z28 clip for $150 at the local salvage yard
There is alot of good info on the link that dubie shared- if you pay careful attention to JAWS' posts, you'll come up with a clean looking modification! |
06-25-2013, 10:56 PM | #15 |
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Re: Better ride for 59 Apache
Thanks for the replys guys.
Do any of you so cal guys know somebody who can do the cut and re weld of the front end ? I think we can handle the rear end but we just dont want to get the front messed up. |
06-26-2013, 12:16 AM | #16 |
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No Limit Engineering in Riverside will do it for you. Not the cheapest place - that will be an independent guy working out of his garage but you won't know FOR SURE how good he is until he does it. But No Limit has done hundreds if not thousands and you will know it will be done right.
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06-26-2013, 01:40 AM | #17 |
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If you let No limit do it you it will be out of your price range that is for sure. For that price range you will be looking for a home builder type guy. Be careful I've seen some badly installed clips in my time.
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06-26-2013, 03:49 PM | #18 |
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To bad you are not up here, Jay does a great clean job. Has a nice jig and has done enough that you know exactly what you are getting. He will let you take his truck for a ride so you can see how it will feel.
http://boise.craigslist.org/pts/3876272619.html If it is too expensive down there, it might be worth the travel time to have it down up here. Its a long days drive from central CA to the Boise area thru Winnemucca.
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06-26-2013, 05:53 PM | #19 |
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I WISH there were a guy down here (Bam) that could do a real good job like that (Bam) and that I would trust my baby to (Bam) but all of them (Bam) are too busy (Bam) to take my money (Bam)
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06-26-2013, 06:01 PM | #20 |
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what ..............are ya try in to say? ^
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06-26-2013, 06:53 PM | #21 |
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There's a welding artist in California but he needs to get his OWN truck done! Maybe he could do it for some Christmas cash
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06-26-2013, 07:10 PM | #22 |
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Re: Better ride for 59 Apache
Really appreciate all the responses guys. We are going to the Brothers truck show this week and checking out these trucks in different configurations , taking lots of pics and asking lots of questions LOL.
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I swing back and forth between a dropped axle on Posie's vs. IFS of SOME kind. I really don't like the idea of kinda/sorta "ok-enough-I-guess" power steering conversions with a straight axle but I also dislike cutting my frame in half or the cost of good IFS (No Limit Wide Ride, Heidts, TCI, yada, yada) PLUS the cost of a tilt column, etc. BUT I'd be willing to consider a clip IF I truly trusted who would do it and not at the price No Limit would charge. Posted via Mobile Device |
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06-27-2013, 01:25 AM | #25 |
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Re: Better ride for 59 Apache
So i saw that Scotts hot rods up in Oxnards sells a complete bolt on ?? WIth coils , disc brakes the whole 9 yards. Anybody know the price for once with power steering , disc brakes for a 59 ?
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