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gunnersm8 · 11-15-2003, 03:19 PM

what up. got a 69 stepside, and ive got some questions. i want a late model ride(front disc, nice ride, etc) and being that i work for the govt, i cant exactly afford to throw down thousands of dollars on the cool aftermarket stuff. here comes the stupid questions,
-later model frame swap possible? ive heard the 80-early 90s frames are nearly the same.
-i am looking at fuel injection and aod trannys as well. looked at 700s, and the 4l80e,obviously the money thing comes into play. if the 700 is built right, is it reliable?
-edelbrock pro flo, does anyone know if the computer has the ability to plug the aod tranny in?
-RANDY, your website has a nice little blue step, you wouldnt happen to know the drop and wheel/tire numbers would you?
thanks all.
matt

gunnersm8 · 11-15-2003, 03:23 PM

oh yeah, randy the truck im referring to(after looking again, i realized there were about 47 blue steps on the site) is the one under stepsides and all the way down on the bottom. thanks

PanelDeland · 11-15-2003, 04:16 PM

Drop it 2 1/2 and 4, add sway bars and the disc kit and the ride will be there.As for the fuel injection either a crate w/inj. or an aftermarket unit would be easiest.From all I've heard it would be simpler to do it this way than a frame swap.I've never done a frame swap or inj tho.

jorgensensc · 11-15-2003, 04:30 PM

My 72 with discs up front, sway bar with poly bushings, energy suspension body mounts,monroe gas truck shocks, and coil rear with trailing arms is stock height and it is smoother riding than any of my previous 80,81,82,83, or 91 trucks. Does your truck have leaf rear or coil rear??

*Randy70C-10* · 11-15-2003, 07:57 PM

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Originally posted by gunnersm8
oh yeah, randy the truck im referring to(after looking again, i realized there were about 47 blue steps on the site) is the one under stepsides and all the way down on the bottom. thanks

There are hundreds of Randys on this site, are you talking to me?

lol......Looks like a 3/4 drop with 295/50/15's in the rear.

gabet40 · 11-15-2003, 08:15 PM

i have an accel digital fuel injection unit with a 700 tranny. with the 700s you have to get one made after 89 because the ones made before then were crap, i forgot the exact problem but they all had it.
im not sure about the edelbrock injection, but the accel has a kit that ties into the tranny so that the computer controls the torque converter. plug your laptop into the ECM and you can decide what RPMs you want the torque converter to lock up at (only in 4th gear) and what throttle position you want it to unlock. as for shift points i think the only adjustment option is on the detent cable, which i keep pretty tight to give the nice hard shifts.
but you definately want to have a well known, maybe even performance tranny shop rebuilt it considerably strong. theyre durability is comparable to the 350s. so yes IF it is built right, it is reliable. but i have heard youre really pushin it around 500+hp

dinnut · 11-15-2003, 08:21 PM

just about all 700r4s are reliable... why wouldnt they be? try and find a late model late 80s - new fuel injected engine. some one might even trade you for your 350 if that is what you got... some people get a parts car from the 90s with 350s and a aod transmission like the 4l60, 700r4 and such.

krue · 11-15-2003, 09:48 PM

Welcome to the board from South Mississippi. Where you stationed? I was a Machinist's Mate on subs for eight years.

gunnersm8 · 11-23-2003, 07:53 PM

damn guys, sorry it took me so long to get back here. im on uss tortuga here in VA beach. yeah randy, there is alot of them on your web site. yeah after thinking about it, the frame swap would be a giant pain in the asssss. the front end is just plain bad right now. and its an old city truck, so no power steering, brakes etc. in my teenage days it was cool, anymore it doesnt take me long to get tired of the ride. whos got the best affordable front end upgrades out there? ive seen just about everyone makes something for it. hoping one of you guys has the inside scoop on this.

lukecp · 11-23-2003, 07:56 PM

Welcome from missouri!

I agree...keep the frame. A late model frame really isn't going to be an improvement over the frame on one of these trucks with power disc brakes and a fresh rebuild. Plus coil springs ride better.

gunnersm8 · 11-23-2003, 08:03 PM

randy, i guess its actually green at the bottom of the stepside section. "ya gotta love this one"

*Randy70C-10* · 11-23-2003, 08:36 PM

Didn't know that you are in Virginia Beach, we have to get together one day. I'm in the Kempsville area. I was going to ask what your job was, then I noticed your board name. lol

dinnut · 11-23-2003, 09:19 PM

you can piece together a disc brake kit for about 400-500 depending on where you get stuff or gmc pauls sells the kit for like 470. for power steerign you need the pump and the box not sure what else. power brakes you can get the booster assembly for like 250. you can get probably everything you need used from people on here

*Randy70C-10* · 11-23-2003, 09:36 PM

Ah yes, this one. Those rear tires look like 255 70's (I think)

gunnersm8 · 11-30-2003, 08:40 PM

what drop is that? thats the ride im looking for, not sure if i should go with static or air. anyone? the air looks awful confusing and $$$$.

Rod · 11-30-2003, 09:05 PM

Welcome

*rage'nrat638* · 11-30-2003, 09:09 PM

welcome from the RAGE......................................

dinnut · 11-30-2003, 09:10 PM

air isnt too confusing. i think. i have someone in dallas thatll do the whole install and everythign for 700 and thats using all firestone components
only problem with static is you cant raise it and lower it. 2 totally different rides also. just my opinion

**Palf70Step** · 11-30-2003, 09:21 PM

Here is another south Mississippi welcome to you. I was a zommie that work for/with the Navy for much of my time. You can't pay me enough to fly/land on a boat thing

ever again!!

gunnersm8 · 12-14-2003, 06:26 PM

yeah that aint for me either. air is really that affordable? good ride too?

*Randy70C-10* · 12-14-2003, 07:43 PM

I think a complete system is around $1200. What part of Virginia Beach do you live in?

**old Rusty C10** · 12-14-2003, 07:44 PM

welcome to the board thats a gorgeous blue truck!

Mrs72shadetree · 12-14-2003, 08:16 PM

Welcome from over in the mountains of Virginia

gunnersm8 · 12-22-2003, 01:31 PM

im over in ocean park. 1200$ huh? man this project is getting expensive more everyday

kevin's 4X4 · 12-22-2003, 01:44 PM

welcome aboard

11-15-2003, 03:19 PM	#1
gunnersm8 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: virginia beach va Posts: 87	new guy again what up. got a 69 stepside, and ive got some questions. i want a late model ride(front disc, nice ride, etc) and being that i work for the govt, i cant exactly afford to throw down thousands of dollars on the cool aftermarket stuff. here comes the stupid questions, -later model frame swap possible? ive heard the 80-early 90s frames are nearly the same. -i am looking at fuel injection and aod trannys as well. looked at 700s, and the 4l80e,obviously the money thing comes into play. if the 700 is built right, is it reliable? -edelbrock pro flo, does anyone know if the computer has the ability to plug the aod tranny in? -RANDY, your website has a nice little blue step, you wouldnt happen to know the drop and wheel/tire numbers would you? thanks all. matt

11-15-2003, 04:16 PM	#3
PanelDeland I am a Referee of life. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Greensboro N.C. Posts: 13,992	Drop it 2 1/2 and 4, add sway bars and the disc kit and the ride will be there.As for the fuel injection either a crate w/inj. or an aftermarket unit would be easiest.From all I've heard it would be simpler to do it this way than a frame swap.I've never done a frame swap or inj tho. __________________ The 47-present Chevrolet and GMC Truck Message Board Network,it's owners,moderators,members,and associates of any type should not be held responsible for my opinion. You can't fix stupid,not even with duct tape. "My appearance is due to the fact that "GOD" does punish you for having too much fun!" Barrett-Jackson has perfected alchemy,they make rust into gold! "You can lead a horse to water but you can't saddle a duck" "Cleverly disguised as a 'Responsible Adult' "Sometimes your Knight in shining armor is just a retard in tinfoil"

11-15-2003, 04:30 PM	#4
jorgensensc Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cypress, Tx Posts: 4,005	My 72 with discs up front, sway bar with poly bushings, energy suspension body mounts,monroe gas truck shocks, and coil rear with trailing arms is stock height and it is smoother riding than any of my previous 80,81,82,83, or 91 trucks. Does your truck have leaf rear or coil rear?? __________________ 1972 C20 Suburban- Big Blue Betty '56 Chevy Bel Air Sedan- Frame up Restoration -What would you attempt to achieve if you knew you could not fail?- -I Refuse To Tiptoe Through Life, Only To Arrive Safely At Death's Door- R.I.P. EAST SIDE LOW LIFE

11-15-2003, 08:15 PM	#6
gabet40 Registered User Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 565	i have an accel digital fuel injection unit with a 700 tranny. with the 700s you have to get one made after 89 because the ones made before then were crap, i forgot the exact problem but they all had it. im not sure about the edelbrock injection, but the accel has a kit that ties into the tranny so that the computer controls the torque converter. plug your laptop into the ECM and you can decide what RPMs you want the torque converter to lock up at (only in 4th gear) and what throttle position you want it to unlock. as for shift points i think the only adjustment option is on the detent cable, which i keep pretty tight to give the nice hard shifts. but you definately want to have a well known, maybe even performance tranny shop rebuilt it considerably strong. theyre durability is comparable to the 350s. so yes IF it is built right, it is reliable. but i have heard youre really pushin it around 500+hp __________________ Current owner of 2016 2500 Silverado Midnight Edition. Former owner of: 69 1/2 ton, change from long/fleet to short/fleet, shaved door handles, shaved tailgate, 4/6 drop, power windows, 700r4 72 blazer, 350 with Holley Commander 950 DFI, crane energizer cam, 350 tranny, dual sanderson blockhuggers/magnaflow exhaust

11-15-2003, 08:21 PM	#7
dinnut Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: missouri city, tx Posts: 4,486	just about all 700r4s are reliable... why wouldnt they be? try and find a late model late 80s - new fuel injected engine. some one might even trade you for your 350 if that is what you got... some people get a parts car from the 90s with 350s and a aod transmission like the 4l60, 700r4 and such. __________________ 70 longbed 496/th400/Ford 9"

11-15-2003, 03:23 PM	#2
gunnersm8 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: virginia beach va Posts: 87	oh yeah, randy the truck im referring to(after looking again, i realized there were about 47 blue steps on the site) is the one under stepsides and all the way down on the bottom. thanks

11-15-2003, 09:48 PM	#8
krue Designated A-hole! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South Mississippi Posts: 36,448	Welcome to the board from South Mississippi. Where you stationed? I was a Machinist's Mate on subs for eight years. __________________ "If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is!" Being stupid ain't illegal. We're Still Debt Free Except for the House!!! www.daveramsey.com 70 GMC SWB Stepside project "Green Booger" soon to be 6.0l/4l80e 93 S-10 "Poppaw's Truck"

11-23-2003, 07:53 PM	#9
gunnersm8 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: virginia beach va Posts: 87	damn guys, sorry it took me so long to get back here. im on uss tortuga here in VA beach. yeah randy, there is alot of them on your web site. yeah after thinking about it, the frame swap would be a giant pain in the asssss. the front end is just plain bad right now. and its an old city truck, so no power steering, brakes etc. in my teenage days it was cool, anymore it doesnt take me long to get tired of the ride. whos got the best affordable front end upgrades out there? ive seen just about everyone makes something for it. hoping one of you guys has the inside scoop on this.

11-23-2003, 07:56 PM	#10
lukecp Formerly yellow72custom Join Date: May 2001 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 7,531	Welcome from missouri! I agree...keep the frame. A late model frame really isn't going to be an improvement over the frame on one of these trucks with power disc brakes and a fresh rebuild. Plus coil springs ride better. __________________ '72 Chevy C10 Mild 350/TH350/3.07. Ochre/White. Old high school ride. '70 GMC C2500 '62 327 4bbl/SM465/4.56-geared Dana 60. White/White. Project or parts truck. '97 Saturn SL DD. 1.9/5-speed. 40+ highway mpg

11-23-2003, 08:03 PM	#11
gunnersm8 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: virginia beach va Posts: 87	randy, i guess its actually green at the bottom of the stepside section. "ya gotta love this one"

11-23-2003, 08:36 PM	#12
Randy70C-10 Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Virginia Beach, Va. U.S.A. Posts: 15,320	Didn't know that you are in Virginia Beach, we have to get together one day. I'm in the Kempsville area. I was going to ask what your job was, then I noticed your board name. lol

11-23-2003, 09:19 PM	#13
dinnut Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: missouri city, tx Posts: 4,486	you can piece together a disc brake kit for about 400-500 depending on where you get stuff or gmc pauls sells the kit for like 470. for power steerign you need the pump and the box not sure what else. power brakes you can get the booster assembly for like 250. you can get probably everything you need used from people on here __________________ 70 longbed 496/th400/Ford 9"

11-23-2003, 09:36 PM	#14
Randy70C-10 Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Virginia Beach, Va. U.S.A. Posts: 15,320	Ah yes, this one. Those rear tires look like 255 70's (I think) Last edited by Randy70C-10; 11-23-2003 at 09:39 PM.

11-30-2003, 08:40 PM	#15
gunnersm8 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: virginia beach va Posts: 87	what drop is that? thats the ride im looking for, not sure if i should go with static or air. anyone? the air looks awful confusing and $$$$.

11-30-2003, 09:05 PM	#16
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11-30-2003, 09:09 PM	#17
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11-30-2003, 09:10 PM	#18
dinnut Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: missouri city, tx Posts: 4,486	air isnt too confusing. i think. i have someone in dallas thatll do the whole install and everythign for 700 and thats using all firestone components only problem with static is you cant raise it and lower it. 2 totally different rides also. just my opinion __________________ 70 longbed 496/th400/Ford 9"

11-30-2003, 09:21 PM	#19
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12-14-2003, 06:26 PM	#20
gunnersm8 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: virginia beach va Posts: 87	yeah that aint for me either. air is really that affordable? good ride too?

12-14-2003, 07:43 PM	#21
Randy70C-10 Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Virginia Beach, Va. U.S.A. Posts: 15,320	I think a complete system is around $1200. What part of Virginia Beach do you live in?

12-14-2003, 07:44 PM	#22
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12-22-2003, 01:31 PM	#24
gunnersm8 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: virginia beach va Posts: 87	im over in ocean park. 1200$ huh? man this project is getting expensive more everyday

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