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Re: INNOVATE DLG1 Wideband O2 Oxygen Sensor Tuning Diagnostics Logging Air Fuel Ratio
Actual question I put on a printed Fuel System Quiz:
14) Spell "Stoichiometric" a. Stoechiometric b. Stoikiometric c. Stoicheometric d. Stoichiometric Nobody got it right.
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Re: INNOVATE DLG1 Wideband O2 Oxygen Sensor Tuning Diagnostics Logging Air Fuel Ratio
Hey Gregski, in post #68 you said there was a "gotcha" with the gauge--that it didn't come with a patch cable to work with the rest of the equipment. Is the correct part number for that cable 3846?
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that looks right, you need the male male ends like on this cable to go between the female female ends of the gauges, so this is it
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Re: INNOVATE DLG1 Wideband O2 Oxygen Sensor Tuning Diagnostics Logging Air Fuel Ratio
first of all thank you all for reading and providing positive feedback, I am trying really hard to keep this very detailed to see if we can help each other out
so its been a while since I tinkered with the truck, here in California we went from 4 years of drought to one of the most rainiest seasons in 30 years, point being the temperature and humidity extremes were insane for carburetor tuning so I limped through the winter the last thing I just did was replace the Accelerator Pump Cam, to see if I could fix the lean stumble\hesitation condition under light throttle acceleration, truck accelerates fine when I step on the throttle, but if I am pulling away from the green light with a cop next to me or my grandma in the passenger seat, the truck leans out way too much, like 20 AFR I'll be honest with you I was a bit intimidated at first, I did not understand what the cam does, I understood what the nozzle aka squirted did, and I upped mine from a .031 to a .035 but again what does the cam do well recently I re read a chapter in Dave Emmanuel's HOLLEY CARBURETORS Performance, Street, and Off-Road Applications book, and finally the light bulb went on. "... the accelerator pump cam is a timing device." so armed with that mantra I remembered these cam graphs, so I pulled one up and stared at it, now I still aint no expert, but I like to know what the extremes are, ie whats the minimum, whats the maximum, type a mentality, and here we see that the Blue Cam delivers a shot the soonest, and the Pink Cam delivers a shot the latest and everything else falls somewheres in the middle, ok, cool, we can work with that (I think) Last edited by Gregski; 09-25-2018 at 08:14 PM. |
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remember the Accelerator Pump is just a helper, there are two circuits in the carb (for purposes of this discussion we won't bring in the secondary circuit), the idle circuit and the main circuit. The Accelerator Pump helps with the transition from the way gasoline oozes in the the carb via the Idle Circuit, to the way it gets sucked in via the main jets/circuit using the vacuum created with higher RPMs (venturi vacuum ie vacuum inside the carbs throat, not intake manifold vacuum, there's a difference) so when the gas pedal is pressed down a ton of air enters the carb, and the gasoline goes ah snap, that's our queue, here we go boys, and the Accelerator Pump gives the gasoline a kick in the pants to get in there as fast as the air did, once the gasoline starts being sucked in with the air, the Accelerator Pump takes a break cause it's work is done, then you are running on the Main Circuit
so the first thing you have to do is find out what color accelerator pump cam you have, and just as importantly what hole is it screwed in at, there are two holes, #1 and #2 on the carb bracket, and the cams themselves can have anywhere from 1 to 3 holes well I like to remove the cam and look at it, that way I can wipe it clean and see if it is damaged or warn out, so mine turns out to be Orange and it was in the #2 position Ok, so I think I just got lucky cause I said I am going to try the Blue Cam in the #2 position to get the squirt of gasoline as fast as possible and see what that does, and if that makes it worse, I will go the other way and try the Pink Cam second hole in the #1 hole in the bracket, to get a delayed shot, this is all based on the graph above, I was going to try the two extremes turns out the Blue Cam works amazeballz so I just left it in, light throttle acceleration be damned, truck runs fantastic! Last edited by Gregski; 04-10-2017 at 08:51 PM. |
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alright so here is an update two years and about 17,000 miles later
1. for some strange reason the AFR gauge started cutting out on me a few weeks ago, it sometimes won't turn on at all, I have to hit the dash with my fist Old Skool style for it to come on, yet sometimes it comes on just fine. I mentioned this to Mopar Seth, my buddy running the same setup on his Dodge 100 pickup and he says you know what mine started doing the same thing, I think he only had his for 1 year. 2. one of the two O2 sensors died so the gauge shows the E8 error, I tried to clean it gently but no dice, it's kaput so I ordered two BOSH LSU 4.9 name brand O2 sensors online, they aren't cheap, I think $50 bucks a pop is the best deal I could find, I bought two so that I replace both of them at the same time so they get even reading, is my logic anyway and tonight I got tired of the cutting out gauge so I tore the gauge cluster out and checked my wiring and low and behold I was actually surprised how nice and tight all the connections were so I don't think it was my amateur installation |
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Re: INNOVATE DLG1 Wideband O2 Oxygen Sensor Tuning Diagnostics Logging Air Fuel Ratio
Starting w/that 1460 Holley carb about how much money did you spend on all those Holley parts? You know like 1450 kit. springs,pumps,jets and all that stuff. Can't wait to check out my Edelbrock 1405. I did change out some rods and jets as recommended on this forum. Runs great 13 MPG mixed and plenty of snort. Idles well... Wonder if I should just leave well enough alone. A couple hundred bucks could buy (I was gong to say a lot) of gas and there is the bit of welding and the time........ I am getting old!
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It's not about the money/time wasted on tinkering with this, it is not just about fuel economy either ie MPGs it is about running a healthy motor, not over heating it, not fouling the plugs. A happy engine is a happy truck is a happy driver! I run an Edelbrock 1407 (3028) carb on my '71 GMC (350 V8 automatic) I will be buying AFR gauges for that truck soon, maybe switching brands and going with AEM instead, and can't wait to tinker with metering rods etc. ha ha, I hope to do a write up on that as well, should be fun, it's a different animal with an automatic transmission and all |
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Re: INNOVATE DLG1 Wideband O2 Oxygen Sensor Tuning Diagnostics Logging Air Fuel Ratio
Hi Greg, just got my AFR and vacuum gauges hooked up yesterday. On my drive into work this morning, I was surprised to find that I'm apparently running too lean with my QJet most of the time, particularly at idle. Back on post #99 you describe what your targets were for idle, part throttle, etc. Did you find a good single info source providing target range for each case, or is that something you've come up with yourself from all the books, articles, etc. you've read. Also, I assume that your target AFR ranges aren't specific to your Holley carb, but thought I'd ask. thanks, Rick
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so 15ish for cruise 12ish for power keep in mind this is the worst time of the year to tune, humidity, temp, humidity, and humidity lol but play around, divide and conquer |
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Thanks for the response, and basically for making me aware of this tool and its usefulness. Humid or not, right now my idle after driving several miles (fully warmed up) is between 15 and 17 so I'm thinking some tweaking of the mixture is in order. I have such a strong fuel smell that I was just sure I was idling rich. But, then again I'm already at 15.1-15.4 at cruise so that seems to be good. Amazing what you can find out after a single drive with one of these gauges.
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Re: INNOVATE DLG1 Wideband O2 Oxygen Sensor Tuning Diagnostics Logging Air Fuel Ratio
GREAT thread Gregski!! I just finished reading the whole thing and it is filled with tons of helpful info. This will help immensely getting my QFT 750 carb set up correctly.
Thanks so much for the stellar write up & pics! I know this is an older thread but it needs to be back to the top. |
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Would you still go with the same brand and kit? I’m about to swap my engine out, and want to get the freebie dialed in and make it last as long as possible for me. I love the ability to see what’s going on with your engines internals.
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I would not use the same "dumb" gauges because it's just too bulky, too much sheet to shove under the dash, I would instead buy two of the "smart" gauges where the circuit board aka the intelligence is actually built in to the gauge, something like this one MTX-L PLUS: ADVANCED DIGITAL WIDEBAND AIR/FUEL RATIO GAUGE KIT, 3 FT. SENSOR CABLE $170.99 P/N 39240 their website is still confusing as all heck so keep in mind that their under $100 bucks gauges are displays only and you still need to buy the brain module separate For those reasons I would look at AEM they cost half as much. PN: 30-4110 The Original Wideband UEGO Air/Fuel Ratio Gauge |
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Wow, fast and very knowledgeable response. Thank you. I looked these up, and it looks like you have to have one gauge per side. Which I like, cause it’s idiot proof. Left gauge is left bank, right gauge is right bank.do you suggest a vaccum also? I think the best spot to put them in my 70, is under the dash panel, n the right, by the shifters. I have trailer brakes 😵*💫 I’m adding on board air also. Trying to make a fun daily I can load up and disappear into the woods for a week in also. |
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I’ve been wondering about that lately. I just cant, for literally no reason. I like the old pain in the ass carbureted engines 🤣 why have reliability, when you can through wrenches at something. |
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