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I wonder what this liability stuff means for all the trucks currently being shortened/cut down into short wheel base trucks and lowered with suspension and steering modifications.
A lot of these are resold I imagine.... Coley ![]()
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Re: Is the restorer legally responsible ??
The question I have is these kits sold by aftermarket parts houses to cut a frame Who's liable ?. Z cuts made to drop a frame ? What about the fact these trucks were only designed to have low HP engines and guys are dropping 6-800 hp in a frame designed for 200 ? I'm sure we'll see many lawsuits coming down the pike from buyers who never turned a wrench yet wonder why someone shouldn't cover their inexperience with a modified truck ? It's not really going to boil down to who's "right" but who has the better lawyer ? Sad state of affairs in today's world ...
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I've done a lot of work on my ski condo but every bit of electrical and plumbing modifications were done with county permit office approval and passed inspection...that was the only way to make sure the insurance paid if there was ever a problem. I'll also bet I am the only condo owner on that mountain that has done so. Anything else I did out there was done on the maxim that it had to take more stress than it took to break it or that it could take more stress than it could ever face. There are no guarantees in anything these days...people seldom read anything nor do they accept responsibility. CYA is a rule to operate by. |
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OK, I don't know much about OTHER jurisdictions, BUT... here in Canada, the OWNER of a motor vehicle is the one held legally responsible to ensure their vehicle meets the Minimum Requirements for safety... NOT the Contractor, or Sub-Contractor hired to perform the work. FURTHER, As Part of a Safety Inspection, Modifications MUST be Certified by an Industry Professional even BEFORE a Safety Certificate is Issued.
Here in Canada... if you, the owner... do stupid things to, for, with, etc... expect your insurance company to run away from you faster than a mouse chasing a cockroach.
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Re: Is the restorer legally responsible ??
Depends on what it was....did you\they not hook up the brakes. What was the intent of the repair or lack of it? Can they prove it was you\they that did the work or didn't do the work-Hard to prove as maybe someone else removed the item or undid the work. If they can prove you intentionally did something illegal to the vehicle or did unsafe work then yes, but if you were a friend helping out a buddy then probably no. IF you are a certified shop and did illegal work and they can prove it was you-yes. Hard to prove all of that. Good luck
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This notion that people all used to be upstanding, trustworthy citizens is hilarious to me.
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Ain't that the truth!
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In this case, it was a frame modification. The turn radius reduction was unknown until the accident, by all parties involved. It was not a dealer or shop but rather a sale between individuals. The reduction wasn't much as the frame was lowered only slightly. The accident site was on a very tight curve on a mountain road and it occurred quite a while after the original sale of the bike. Experienced rider. He knew the bike should have made the turn. -klb
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This is my new reason for never selling anything.
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Re: Is the restorer legally responsible ??
Make a sticker and put it on the visor like the Mfg's did to SUV's back in the 90's.
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Re: Is the restorer legally responsible ??
In today's litigious USA there are plentiful personal injury attorneys who will sue anybody for any reason or for no reason at all. If you ship a product on FedEx and the FedEx truck gets in an accident, if the attorney thinks you have deep pockets he might just come after you. And juries are absolutely insane when it comes to injury awards.
The correct answer is that anyone who owned, worked on, supplied parts for, or had anything to do with the truck (or failed to do something), whether they're the owner, driver, mechanic, or a buddy who helped someone out, could be held liable in a US court. Sad but true.
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