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Difficulty Inserting & Removing Key
Back home in Texas I felt like it was more difficult than it should be to insert the key into the ignition of my truck. Well, now that I’m in Clolorado, and it’s much colder, it’s quite a bit worse and is also noticeable when removing the key. I’m sure the temperature is making it worse and I assume the solution involves lubrication but I’ve read in other threads that the wrong lubricant can eventually make things worse by attracting dust and dirt.
Here’s a video that shows what I’m experiencing. Even though it may sound like it, it isn’t difficult to turn the ignition in either direction but it is difficult to insert and remove the key. https://youtu.be/Y73Kf6CZTYk |
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Re: Difficulty Inserting & Removing Key
I've always had good luck with graphite powder to loosen up ignition switches, But I have to say that I used some on my 85 K20 and it hasn't needed a key since...lol.
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Re: Difficulty Inserting & Removing Key
Lock Doc is the most knowledgeable guy I know of on the subject. He says stay away from graphite. Dry spray lube seems to be the best.
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Re: Difficulty Inserting & Removing Key
Graphite lube, or just replace the lock and key.
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Re: Difficulty Inserting & Removing Key
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Chris, If you have a small fine round file try filing down the points on the key cuts a little bit as in the picture below. It doesn't take much. Try the oddball key first. Also lube the lock. The reason I don't recommend using graphite is because most people don't know how to use it. It is a good lubricant in small amounts but there is no way to regulate how much you are dispensing from the container. I have disassembled lock cylinders that had so much graphite in them that the key wouldn't slide all the way into the lock. When it gets wet it turns into a gummy mess. I recommend using something like "ZEP45 with Teflon" or "Blaster Advanced Dry Lube" with Teflon. They contain a dry lube but it is micro fine particles. I find that the Blaster works the best for locks. Just my 2¢ worth. (with 44 years of experience) LockDoc
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Re: Difficulty Inserting & Removing Key
2¢ worth with 44 years worth of interest (compounded daily) turns out to be worth a lot.
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I picked up some of the Blaster Advanced Dry Lube, Should I spray a short burst directly into the ignition cylinder or spray the key then insert and remove it a few times? The locks work fine it's the ignition that's giving me trouble. Also, is there a particular type of file you would recommend for filing down the key points? Thanks |
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Short burst into the key hole. Be sure and shake it good first. Just a small fine hobby file. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hobby+file...ages&ia=images Any hardware or Harbor Freight should have them. LockDoc
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Re: Difficulty Inserting & Removing Key
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EDIT: OK, I went and checked it out. No graphite. I wouldn't hesitate to use that then. Good reviews LockDoc
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Re: Difficulty Inserting & Removing Key
I use it for much more than locks…it makes a decent lubricant without the oily mess like WD40 or similar products
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Re: Difficulty Inserting & Removing Key
I noticed that my new can of B'laster Advanced Dry Lube doesn't say "with Teflon." I figured maybe they left it off because Teflon is a brand and maybe they had switched to the generic P.T.F.E. so, I decided to call the company and ask. Turns out that it no longer contains Teflon or P.T.F.E. I asked why that was and the guy said "due to all the Teflon lawsuits, our lawyers recommended that we get rid of it." He said it now contains something called H.D.P.E. Amide Wax and that it will perform just as well as the previous version.
I looked online for locksmith approved lock lubes and one that kept showing up is Tri-Flow Superior Lubricant - Formulated with P.T.F.E. However, I noticed that it is not listed as a "dry" lubricant. Leon, are you familiar with this product? Would it be a good bet to use in my sticky ignition cylinder? |
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Re: Difficulty Inserting & Removing Key
Good to know that lube......Wholly cow, I think I have 25 types already, gets confusing after a while.
Easy to replace if need be. I wonder if the fine lock cyls kits are still available? ![]()
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I had a can of Tri-Flow years ago but I bought a can of ZEP45 when that ran out because I couldn't find the Tri-Flow. I don't think I had the "Superior" though. I know the manufacturers change the formula every once in a while. Usually it is to make it cheaper to produce.... ![]() I would spray a little of the Blaster on your finger and rub them together until it dries and see how it feels If it feels slippery without leaving any heavy residue go ahead and use a little of it in the ignition. LockDoc
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I don't have any more of the sets. With the product price increases and the postage increases it pretty much put me out of business on them. LockDoc
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Re: Difficulty Inserting & Removing Key
If you find a ign lock cylinder buy it and send it to Lock Doc to have it re-keyed.
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https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=246485 If you will notice the '67 uses the same key blank as '71 and '68 uses the same key blank as '72. The '69, and '70 are by themselves. LockDoc
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Re: Difficulty Inserting & Removing Key
UPDATE: I lubed the cylinder and all is good. I tried that first and it fixed it so I didn't bother with filing down the key points. I'm not sure how often I should lube this thing but I'd imagine it's more often than once every 10 years. Lol.
Notice how the key no longer sticks when inserting or removing. https://youtu.be/1eHdSnlmKtc |
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Good deal. It looks like it works pretty smooth. You may not have to lube it again. Once the key and wafers get worn in a little bit it should be fine. LockDoc
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I was wondering how often it would need lubrication. I've never lubed the ignition cylinder on my 2006 Mazda 3 (owned it since new) and it's never been difficult. Although, it gets driven much more frequently. NOTE: If anyone wants to waste about 3 hours they can watch this locksmith's LUBE-OFF where he tests about 20 different lubes on some Schlage cylinders and deadbolt latches. There are 3 parts that span the course of 3 years, each is about an hour long. I know I'm crazy, I find this type of stuff interesting (I did fast forward quite a bit through parts 2 and 3). Here's a link to Part 1: https://youtu.be/xvcag34gF6k Last edited by cericd; 01-19-2022 at 06:18 PM. Reason: Added Info |
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Re: Difficulty Inserting & Removing Key
Seems like having some of that Tri-Flow spray on hand is a good idea so I ordered some. Thank you for this post and the links to the YouTubes - good information.
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