SMOG LAWS First Calif then Oregon then Your State

[68gmsee]

Originally Posted by 69GMCLonghorn

..........But then again, I have family in Washington state that thought they were escaping the idiots by moving up there from LA about 10 years ago. Nope! They've got just as many up there; the only difference is there is a greater percentage of white idiots up there.......

Yeah, I forgot to mention Washington -especially Seattle. But, the truth of the matter is that a lot of people that live there are not natives. Maybe by now they may call themselves natives, but I lived in the north west for a few years back in the late 70's and most of the people in Seattle were tranplants from other states. I almost became one. And, they bring their ideas with them.

[Dooley]

Originally Posted by 69GMCLonghorn

Yeah, they need to look at who pollutes the MOST. I hate to drag them down, but let's look at the semi trucks, school and public buses, locomotives... ONE semi truck that is about 15 years old has to produce more smog than a several classic cars, maybe a dozen. Let's look at the beat up smoking trucks that pour in and out of the LA harbor every day. If they're old and in poor running condition, get them the hell off the road until they're fixed.

Now, take a classic car from the late 60's. Let's say the owner has pulled off the smog pump, installed headers, a Holly carb, open element air cleaner, and better intake manifold. Maybe install an Ignitor or HEI ignition. Forget the visual inspection. Let's inspect JUST the tail pipe emissions on this car compared to what it was from the factory. $10 says the modified motor is CLEANER than the stock motor with a smog pump... AND it will get better mileage AKA it's a "greener" car! Effing liberal A-holes! They will NOT get the best of us! NEVER!

Looks like you missed what is going on around you!
http://www.glgroup.com/News/Californ...ise-19777.html

[texanidiot25]

[quote=68gmsee;3296650]

Originally Posted by texanidiot25

If you don't like the laws, move...... QUOTE]

NOOO NOOO!!!! They'll come over here and then demand we change our laws!!!!

Actually, a friend from Oregon tells me that's what happened to them. A lot of Californians moved and went to Oregon. They brought a lot of their activist/environmentalist thinking with them. Also, happened to Arizona, New Mexico (Albuquerque), Idaho (Cour de Laine), and Denver.

[quote=GOPAPA;3296698]

Originally Posted by 68gmsee

A lot of us old timers feel this way about some from California who has moved our way ..not all folks ,,but some..



I thought California was first in making a law against profiling ..LOL

Come to texas! We're still conservative enough to keep things on the level. The liberals haven't hurt us.

All you have to have is something that looks like a muffler, and it has to dump past the cab.

[GOPAPA]

This was not intended by me to put the blame on a political Party ,,or to look like I do not like all smog laws ..

It is a fact that when I was at Disney Land with my family in 1989 that the orange cloud of smog over LA did make me cough and my eyes burn ..

Now when I visit my son north of Los Angels and go into LA it is so much better,,and smog control on cars and trucks is very much helped..

My complaint is that the head of the department of air control is trying to rid us of all the old cars and trucks to put a feather in his hat with an idea that will not help hardly at all..

And ,,Oregon is a heart beat away from adopting whatever this guy is trying to push down our throats..

Lets hope we can be represented when the laws are made up on this issue..

[67ChevyRedneck]

Originally Posted by cdowns

florida no inspections of any kind here

Same here in SC. We'll be just about "last" in any kind of emissions testing requirements

I'm sure I could find a good ole boy shop to hook me up too

[texanidiot25]

Originally Posted by GOPAPA

This was not intended by me to put the blame on a political Party ,,or to look like I do not like all smog laws ..

It is a fact that when I was at Disney Land with my family in 1989 that the orange cloud of smog over LA did make me cough and my eyes burn ..

Now when I visit my son north of Los Angels and go into LA it is so much better,,and smog control on cars and trucks is very much helped..

My complaint is that the head of the department of air control is trying to rid us of all the old cars and trucks to put a feather in his hat with an idea that will not help hardly at all..

And ,,Oregon is a heart beat away from adopting whatever this guy is trying to push down our throats..

Lets hope we can be represented when the laws are made up on this issue..

But in areas like Florida, where their are no emissions laws (like Cali), and a similar population density, there is still less smog. In most areas with loose smog standards, the air is clean. Cleaner than Cali Cities at least.

Cars, and especially CLASSIC cars are hardly the issue in my research. Shoot, they would have less smog if they could prevent their forest fires...

[El Jay]

Originally Posted by texanidiot25

But in areas like Florida, where their are no emissions laws (like Cali), and a similar population density, there is still less smog. In most areas with loose smog standards, the air is clean. Cleaner than Cali Cities at least.

Cars, and especially CLASSIC cars are hardly the issue in my research. Shoot, they would have less smog if they could prevent their forest fires...

Or volcanoes.
"They" just don't get it.

[texanidiot25]

Are you suggesting catalytic converters for volcanoes?

Don't give them any ideas!

edit: and on a side note, Arnie was a wuss for giving in and selling his HUMMERs.

[heavychevy79]

Instead of talking about it, join SEMA and do something about it!

http://www.sema.org/government-affairs

[project 67 sub]

one more reason why i hate thias piece of crap state of Cali.

[Lippyp]

I'm probably going to be very unpopular but when the rest of the world is making efforts to curb emissions and the USA keeps opting out it makes it pretty pointless for the rest of us. Now I'm no tree hugger or I wouldn't own my truck or drive a 3.1L diesel 4x4 as my daily driver but we simply can't continue the way we have been in the past.

The British government this month announced a scheme in conjunction with car manufacturers whereby if you trade in a car over 10 years old to be scrapped you get £2000 off a brand new car that meets current emissions standards. Now to me this has way more to do with encouraging people to buy new cars thus helping the likes of GM and Ford out of the enormous hole they've dug themselves into than it has to do with pollution as most of the pollution created by a car is made during its manufacture and destruction. This means its way greener to drive an older well maintained vehicle than it is to swap your car every three years for a new one. That said we need to get the 10-20 year old badly maintained smoky old piles of junk off the roads or get them fixed.

I wantmy kids to be able to breathe and not suffer from asthma and other lung diseases and to be able to go outside in the sun without their skin falling off. If that means I have to insulate my house better, look at green energy like wind, wave and solar and drive a cleaner car in the long term it's something I'll have to do.

[MacAttack]

I’ve lived in California for nearly 58 years. Born here - raised here.

And this is what I’m used to - every day of the week.




Now if you’re stuck 75 miles from the beach, for whatever circumstance - I can understand your pain, but this state is far from "crap" and I would advise you either need to better your situation within our community - or leave it.

Folks had been flooding into California for about 150 years without complaint. Now, hopefully, the tide is simply going back out.

And regarding what someone in Europe might think about America’s perspective regarding how much pollution we think we’re entitled to - I say, win a couple of world wars - saving my society in the process - then you can preach.

Mac.

[Stocker]

Originally Posted by Lippyp

when the rest of the world is making efforts to curb emissions and the USA keeps opting out it makes it pretty pointless for the rest of us.

You may well know something I don't, but I hardly think it's correct to suggest the USA does little or nothing regarding emissions. From here, it seems like we are covered up with (if not significantly impeded by) myriads of pollution laws. Not to suggest that many are not without merit -- air quality and water quality are greatly improved in many areas, if not the entire country.

In fact, it irks me to see what goes on in many other parts of the world (China, and many third world nations) with heavy, uncontrolled pollution -- and at the same time, the USA seems to take the brunt of the world's criticism. That the US may not automatically jump on the bandwagon and adopt every environmental policy created in other countries does not in any way mean we are slacking.

[vectorit]

Originally Posted by Stocker

You may well know something I don't, but I hardly think it's correct to suggest the USA does little or nothing regarding emissions. From here, it seems like we are covered up with (if not significantly impeded by) myriads of pollution laws. Not to suggest that many are not without merit -- air quality and water quality are greatly improved in many areas, if not the entire country.

In fact, it irks me to see what goes on in many other parts of the world (China, and many third world nations) with heavy, uncontrolled pollution -- and at the same time, the USA seems to take the brunt of the world's criticism. That the US may not automatically jump on the bandwagon and adopt every environmental policy created in other countries does not in any way mean we are slacking.

X10

[Dano69c10]

Why does the Socialist Republic of Caliornia (or its ignorant politicians) always want to scrap older vehicles?
Why don't we retrofit older vehicles to run cleaner, using new engines with new emissions technology.
Smog laws are for removal of antique autos.
Just my $0.02
Dano

[Lippyp]

Originally Posted by MacAttack

And regarding what someone in Europe might think about America’s perspective regarding how much pollution we think we’re entitled to - I say, win a couple of world wars - saving my society in the process - then you can preach.

Mac.

What the hell has WWI and WWII got to do with the environment and what the USA is doing for it? WWII ended 64 years ago, of course though, I forget that America won both single handedly whilst we sat back drinking warm beer and painting phone boxes red. lets not mention the mess the US made in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan three of which we've made no contribution to at all. Why is that any time a European criticises the USA you trot out the same tired "we won the war" excuse.

Face facts, you've had an oil man in power for the last two terms, it was in his personal financial interest not to cut the USA's consumption of fossil fuels. To the outside world it does seem that the USA is doing little and resisting the global calls to cut pollution. Thats other peoples perceptions of you, if its not true then the US governments publicity machine isn't doing a very good job. What we see is the US refusing to ratify the Kyoto protocol and other such treaties. As for the third world countries hell yeah, its absolutely important that we work with them to ensure they cut pollution. If the UK stopped producing any emmissions China would make that gap up in a couple of years. That said, our (and I mean the UN and NATO's) arrogance in picking and choosing who can use other forms of energy like nuclear power is simply breathtaking.

I live on a densley populated little island ( the UK) and so we feel the pollution way more than many of you will living in comparitively sparsely populated areas. (OK maybe not parts of California!) so its becoming more pressing for us to do something about it. Like I say, I have no desire to stop people driving classic metal, its the poorly maintained junk that needs to be removed or repaired. I've always driven classic cars from the day I passed my test (OK old bangers) 25 years ago. I have no desire to see this right taken away from me.

[MacAttack]

Originally Posted by Dano69c10

Why does the Socialist Republic of California (or its ignorant politicians) always want to scrap older vehicles?

Two things: The state expanded its infrastructure (and we voters let them) during the good times when homes were theoretically advancing in value at 10-20% per year and that fact has bankrupted same, and second, hundreds of thousands of 1985-2000 vehicles age getting new license tags for their plates (just like the last 25 years) via illegal sign-offs at "smog only" stations that have hired IT guys to circumvent the state authorized testing machines.

Cash is king at these little outfits, especially in downtown L.A. neighborhoods, where many folks drive little peanut Toyota's that were once powered by gasoline engines, but because of a quarter-million miles and blow-by that makes them visually appear as diesels when you drive behind them, especially at night, the legitimate drivers of classic vehicles ends up getting screwed.

Follow the money. Politicians are getting re-elected for new tax ideas.

[Stocker]

Originally Posted by Lippyp

To the outside world it does seem that the USA is doing little and resisting the global calls to cut pollution. Thats other peoples perceptions of you, if its not true then the US governments publicity machine isn't doing a very good job. What we see is the US refusing to ratify the Kyoto protocol and other such treaties.

So while we operate under under controls that are seemingly more restrictive (and hopefully more effective) virtually each year, the rest of the world doesn't see any progress on our part -- simply because we haven't ratified the Kyoto protocol or adopted whatever other proposal happens to be in vogue at any given time.

So the rest of the world has a skewed perception of us -- imagine that! -- and you see it as a problem of perception. So we need a better PR agent. Well, you are probably correct about that. It's unfortunate that what you do, and the results you obtain, have become less important than the public's perception of your intent.

[MacAttack]

Originally Posted by Lippyp

Why is that any time a European criticises the USA you trot out the same tired "we won the war" excuse.

It’s not an excuse - it’s simply history, and history dictates that the United States is well on its way to becoming a socialist state, like many of you in Europe.

Our ancestors took this land and it’s wealth from its rightful owners by superior technology and pure balls and some of us are proud of what we’ve accomplished in a very short time. Most of Europe has seen its time pass and are headed down the proverbial "Swedish trail of 60% income tax and cradle to grave coverage - even if you're a lazy piece of crap" route.

Where I come from, we resent the Hell out of that kind of sloth and grab life by the throat.

Example: When our kids came back from giving their asses in Europe and the Pacific they invented the hot rod and after-market parts industries, right here in California, and people here are still enjoying their inventions - in freedom. For now - at least.

And Kyoto? Add ten percent to everything manufactured so the Third World can dump lead in rivers from expired circuit board reclamation? Screw that.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!







Mac.

[Stocker]

Originally Posted by Lippyp

we sat back drinking warm beer

Lucas refrigerators...

[texanidiot25]

Originally Posted by Lippyp

I'm probably going to be very unpopular but when the rest of the world is making efforts to curb emissions and the USA keeps opting out it makes it pretty pointless for the rest of us. Now I'm no tree hugger or I wouldn't own my truck or drive a 3.1L diesel 4x4 as my daily driver but we simply can't continue the way we have been in the past. .

You do realize we have higher safety and emissions standards than Europe....?

Hence why many Euro diesels and other various imports aren't sold in the US.

[El Jay]

Originally Posted by texanidiot25

Are you suggesting catalytic converters for volcanoes?

Don't give them any ideas!

edit: and on a side note, Arnie was a wuss for giving in and selling his HUMMERs.

Nope, not in the least on the "Cadillac" converters.
Now, electrostatic scrubbers is another possibility.

Arnie was a wuss for not vetoing the "rolling 25 year smog exemption."

As for almost everybody else on this thread; I'm not so arrogant to think we piss ant humans are the causes of "global cooling" (the '70's), "global warming" (the '90's & then some), or "climate change" (the now).
We ain't doodly squat in the eyes of ol' Ma Nature & the planet.
Whether we are here, or not, things are going to change as "Ma" sees fit.

[project 67 sub]

^^^^x2, Arnold is a big wussy

[Lippyp]

Originally Posted by MacAttack

It’s not an excuse - it’s simply history, and history dictates that the United States is well on its way to becoming a socialist state, like many of you in Europe.

Our ancestors took this land and it’s wealth from its rightful owners by superior technology and pure balls and some of us are proud of what we’ve accomplished in a very short time. Most of Europe has seen its time pass and are headed down the proverbial "Swedish trail of 60% income tax and cradle to grave coverage - even if you're a lazy piece of crap" route.

Where I come from, we resent the Hell out of that kind of sloth and grab life by the throat.

Example: When our kids came back from giving their asses in Europe and the Pacific they invented the hot rod and after-market parts industries, right here in California, and people here are still enjoying their inventions - in freedom. For now - at least.

And Kyoto? Add ten percent to everything manufactured so the Third World can dump lead in rivers from expired circuit board reclamation? Screw that.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!







Mac.

Firstly, if we hadn't made a stand against Hitler in the first place whilst the US government refused to get involved you might well be speaking german and wearing leather shorts now, you were late for WWI and late for WWII. Secondly, do you not think we lost two entire generations of young men? One of my grandfathers when he died in 1990 was the last man left alive to have taken part in the opening action of WWI, he went into battle on a horse with a drawn sword as he was a cavalryman before the war started. He spent the entire war on the western front and was present at every major battle apart from Looes. My other Grandfather fought in North Africa and Italy. As for today, its still going on, as of last night the British Army has lost 154 men in Afghanistan in support of Americas "war on terror" You didn't wage much of a war on terror when the good old boys were collecting money for the IRA and sending them arms. I have friends that were very nearly blown to pieces when the IRA bombed manchester.

Is the way you "took this land and it’s wealth from its rightful owners by superior technology and pure balls " anything to be proud of? People credit the British with creating the concentration camp during the Boer war but whats an Indian Reservation really? In Europe we're all having to apologise for our colonial past and our past sins, some of it I agree with some I don't. As to being a welfare state, hell, I don't like having to pay 40% income tax and seeing the money given to junkies and drunks. But at leats we have that safety net when things go wrong.

[Jerry Jones]

Lets be careful here people, we are not a site that dealls with politics. If this keeps going the way it is going this thead will have to be shut down.

Lets get back to the subject matter... smog control