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68w/sbc406 · 04-01-2005, 11:12 PM

when puting a new set of heads on would you change head bolts or use the old ones. i just bought some ZZ4 heads and am trying to justify the 145 for ARP stainless bolts.

stllookn · 04-01-2005, 11:18 PM

All my performance engine building books say to change them to studs. I have built stock daily drivers without changing bolts and have not had a problem. If it is a performance motor I would go with studs...more accurate and consistent torque readings.

68w/sbc406 · 04-01-2005, 11:33 PM

I hope this will make it a performance motorh

mmm studs dont come shinny

what would undercut mean???
http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...h.asp&N=400295

Longhorn Man · 04-01-2005, 11:37 PM

Old bolts are streached out and will not give acurate torque readings.
However, a street motor will never know the difference.

68w/sbc406 · 04-02-2005, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68w/sbc406

I hope this will make it a performance motorh

mmm studs dont come shinny

what would undercut mean???
http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...h.asp&N=400295

???what does undercut mean???

badone07 · 04-02-2005, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68w/sbc406

???what does undercut mean???

Here's some reading for you:
http://www.centuryperformance.com/fasteners.asp

The stud to the left or bottom, is undercut.

Fred T · 04-02-2005, 09:14 AM

You do need to replace the bolts due to fatigue, cracking and stretch. Studs are nice, but not necessary for most. They do make it easier to swap heads. Scoggin Dickey sells bolt kits at a decent price. ARP makes good bolts, but unless you're doing a high performance build they are expensive.

*Randy70C-10* · 04-02-2005, 12:22 PM

Used head bolts are scrap metal.

70short/step · 04-02-2005, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy70C-10

Used head bolts are scrap metal.

Agreed! I would not reuse them! Get New ones!

Dean23 · 04-02-2005, 12:36 PM

spring for the arp headblot...more accurate torque and peace of mind in my opinion. plus the arp blolts look cool with aluminum heads

68w/sbc406 · 04-02-2005, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean23

spring for the arp headblot...more accurate torque and peace of mind in my opinion. plus the arp blolts look cool with aluminum heads

thats kinda what i am thinking. damn cool factor gets me all the time. plus if i can talk my GF into buying them for me i dont have to spring for them

Dean23 · 04-02-2005, 03:05 PM

Ya get the gf to buy them......then buy more stuff for yourself.LOL

68w/sbc406 · 04-02-2005, 03:09 PM

then i can buy the carb spacer i was asking about in another thread. and get my ZZ4 heads looked at by a head shop and have them doo the steam holes too. she gets the 140ish bill i get the 110, but them i still have to buy gaskets, not to mention the heads i already bought. hey i might even let her drive it

Dean23 · 04-02-2005, 03:15 PM

LET HER DRIVE IT!!!!!!! I think you should lay down and relax...you may be overworked you're starting to talk crazy.
lmao just kiddin. If she wants to but the parts its the least you could do

68w/sbc406 · 04-02-2005, 03:18 PM

i have let her drive it, but she could drive it more

FirstGen · 04-02-2005, 05:29 PM

I let my girl drive my truck twice. I've NEVER seen her with a bigger smile on her face, lol.

jamis · 04-02-2005, 10:24 PM

You dont have to use the ARPs.....you can just run GM bolts...just make shure they have the correct washers, because thats a "must" for aluminum heads.
Old head bolts are fine in most cases. but a new GM set are around $30 fro cast iron heads. The only bolts you CANNOT reuse are "Torque to yield" , but then again under that shade tree CANNOT turns to SCREW IT I'M GOING TO SELL IT ANYWAY........

Dean23 · 04-02-2005, 10:26 PM

the gm bolts new from gm probably arent any cheaper from gm than a set of ARP

jamis · 04-02-2005, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean23

the gm bolts new from gm probably arent any cheaper from gm than a set of ARP

you could be right, what I should have said is dont spend the extra $ on Stainless ARPs when the Black Oxide ones will work just as well.

Dean23 · 04-02-2005, 11:14 PM

the black oxide ones look great with aluminum heads. Thats what i used on my small block

stllookn · 04-03-2005, 02:04 AM

Dean...how do post that big picture in your message? I thought we could only upload like 642 x 642 or something?

My buddy let his wife drive his 502 ci/550 hp El Camino...once! She got on it at about 45 mph and did one huge donut...parked it in the middle of the highway...stopping traffic. He was following and had to get in and finish driving it to the show. She drove his truck...LOL!

neonlarry · 04-03-2005, 12:14 PM

stllookn, right click on the image and then click properties. It is hosted on imagestation not this board.

Dean23 · 04-03-2005, 02:10 PM

all did was copy the properties from imagetstation where i had it enlarged. and it comes out that big on here.

68w/sbc406 · 04-03-2005, 09:27 PM

black oxide bolts look good. i might get those.
P.S. nice valve covers. i have them but in black

*chevytruckfan* · 04-03-2005, 11:13 PM

Nice looking engine, what is that serpentine system off of and will one fit on my 86 block?

04-01-2005, 11:12 PM	#1
68w/sbc406 Got Light Emitting Diode? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Newberg, OR Posts: 2,485	head bolts when puting a new set of heads on would you change head bolts or use the old ones. i just bought some ZZ4 heads and am trying to justify the 145 for ARP stainless bolts. __________________ 1968 1/2 ton 2wd lwb 6 lug disc and bags up front. Next c notch and rear bags '02 Chevy Silverado LT ext cab short bed 2WD 5/7 drop on 22's(the family car) 1993 Cherokee work ride/weekend wheeler

04-01-2005, 11:18 PM	#2
stllookn Saving 1 truck at a time! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kent, WA Posts: 6,465	All my performance engine building books say to change them to studs. I have built stock daily drivers without changing bolts and have not had a problem. If it is a performance motor I would go with studs...more accurate and consistent torque readings. __________________ '68 C20 Longhorn 50th Anniversary 400/TH400 '68 C20 Longhorn 50th Anniversary 468/TH400w/buckets '72 C20 Halfhorn (Longhorn w/o cab and front clip) '69 Flxible Cruiser (look up ugly in the dictionary)

04-01-2005, 11:33 PM	#3
68w/sbc406 Got Light Emitting Diode? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Newberg, OR Posts: 2,485	I hope this will make it a performance motorh mmm studs dont come shinny what would undercut mean??? http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...h.asp&N=400295 __________________ 1968 1/2 ton 2wd lwb 6 lug disc and bags up front. Next c notch and rear bags '02 Chevy Silverado LT ext cab short bed 2WD 5/7 drop on 22's(the family car) 1993 Cherokee work ride/weekend wheeler

04-02-2005, 09:14 AM	#7
Fred T Cantankerous Geezer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bel Aire, KS Posts: 6,264	You do need to replace the bolts due to fatigue, cracking and stretch. Studs are nice, but not necessary for most. They do make it easier to swap heads. Scoggin Dickey sells bolt kits at a decent price. ARP makes good bolts, but unless you're doing a high performance build they are expensive. __________________ Fred There is no such thing as too much cam...just not enough engine.

04-02-2005, 12:36 PM	#10
Dean23 68cst_ss490 Join Date: May 2001 Location: edmonton,canada Posts: 1,363	spring for the arp headblot...more accurate torque and peace of mind in my opinion. plus the arp blolts look cool with aluminum heads __________________ Dean edmonton,canada a winter wonderland 2005 Chevrolet Avalanche LT cold air intake, performance exhaust, Comp cams cam, jba shorty ceramic headers. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3090973

04-01-2005, 11:37 PM	#4
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Old bolts are streached out and will not give acurate torque readings. However, a street motor will never know the difference.

04-02-2005, 12:22 PM	#8
Randy70C-10 Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Virginia Beach, Va. U.S.A. Posts: 15,320	Used head bolts are scrap metal.

04-02-2005, 03:05 PM	#12
Dean23 68cst_ss490 Join Date: May 2001 Location: edmonton,canada Posts: 1,363	Ya get the gf to buy them......then buy more stuff for yourself.LOL __________________ Dean edmonton,canada a winter wonderland 2005 Chevrolet Avalanche LT cold air intake, performance exhaust, Comp cams cam, jba shorty ceramic headers. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3090973

04-02-2005, 03:09 PM	#13
68w/sbc406 Got Light Emitting Diode? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Newberg, OR Posts: 2,485	then i can buy the carb spacer i was asking about in another thread. and get my ZZ4 heads looked at by a head shop and have them doo the steam holes too. she gets the 140ish bill i get the 110, but them i still have to buy gaskets, not to mention the heads i already bought. hey i might even let her drive it __________________ 1968 1/2 ton 2wd lwb 6 lug disc and bags up front. Next c notch and rear bags '02 Chevy Silverado LT ext cab short bed 2WD 5/7 drop on 22's(the family car) 1993 Cherokee work ride/weekend wheeler

04-02-2005, 03:15 PM	#14
Dean23 68cst_ss490 Join Date: May 2001 Location: edmonton,canada Posts: 1,363	LET HER DRIVE IT!!!!!!! I think you should lay down and relax...you may be overworked you're starting to talk crazy. lmao just kiddin. If she wants to but the parts its the least you could do __________________ Dean edmonton,canada a winter wonderland 2005 Chevrolet Avalanche LT cold air intake, performance exhaust, Comp cams cam, jba shorty ceramic headers. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3090973

04-02-2005, 03:18 PM	#15
68w/sbc406 Got Light Emitting Diode? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Newberg, OR Posts: 2,485	i have let her drive it, but she could drive it more __________________ 1968 1/2 ton 2wd lwb 6 lug disc and bags up front. Next c notch and rear bags '02 Chevy Silverado LT ext cab short bed 2WD 5/7 drop on 22's(the family car) 1993 Cherokee work ride/weekend wheeler

04-02-2005, 05:29 PM	#16
FirstGen Just Don't Stop! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,239	I let my girl drive my truck twice. I've NEVER seen her with a bigger smile on her face, lol. __________________ 1968 C10 build in process TT LSA/6L90e/9"

04-02-2005, 10:24 PM	#17
jamis F.A.S.T. president Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 1,883	You dont have to use the ARPs.....you can just run GM bolts...just make shure they have the correct washers, because thats a "must" for aluminum heads. Old head bolts are fine in most cases. but a new GM set are around $30 fro cast iron heads. The only bolts you CANNOT reuse are "Torque to yield" , but then again under that shade tree CANNOT turns to SCREW IT I'M GOING TO SELL IT ANYWAY........ __________________ F.A.S.T. President and Founder Fabricators for the Advancement of Sawsall Technology "A fear of the Sawsall is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." ~Sigmund Freud, "General Introduction to Psychoanalysis" Last edited by jamis; 04-02-2005 at 10:32 PM.

04-02-2005, 10:26 PM	#18
Dean23 68cst_ss490 Join Date: May 2001 Location: edmonton,canada Posts: 1,363	the gm bolts new from gm probably arent any cheaper from gm than a set of ARP __________________ Dean edmonton,canada a winter wonderland 2005 Chevrolet Avalanche LT cold air intake, performance exhaust, Comp cams cam, jba shorty ceramic headers. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3090973

04-02-2005, 11:14 PM	#20
Dean23 68cst_ss490 Join Date: May 2001 Location: edmonton,canada Posts: 1,363	the black oxide ones look great with aluminum heads. Thats what i used on my small block __________________ Dean edmonton,canada a winter wonderland 2005 Chevrolet Avalanche LT cold air intake, performance exhaust, Comp cams cam, jba shorty ceramic headers. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3090973



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04-03-2005, 02:04 AM	#21
stllookn Saving 1 truck at a time! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kent, WA Posts: 6,465	Dean...how do post that big picture in your message? I thought we could only upload like 642 x 642 or something? My buddy let his wife drive his 502 ci/550 hp El Camino...once! She got on it at about 45 mph and did one huge donut...parked it in the middle of the highway...stopping traffic. He was following and had to get in and finish driving it to the show. She drove his truck...LOL! __________________ '68 C20 Longhorn 50th Anniversary 400/TH400 '68 C20 Longhorn 50th Anniversary 468/TH400w/buckets '72 C20 Halfhorn (Longhorn w/o cab and front clip) '69 Flxible Cruiser (look up ugly in the dictionary)

04-03-2005, 12:14 PM	#22
neonlarry Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vacaville, CA Posts: 2,746	stllookn, right click on the image and then click properties. It is hosted on imagestation not this board. __________________ 70 C/10 Light Red 350/TH350, HEI, Duals w/40 series Flows, 91 seat, LED taillights 99 Pontiac S/C GTP, SLP Ram Air hood, GMPP Konis & springs 95 Neon ACR, MP PCM, AFX UDP, 3.0 CAI

04-03-2005, 02:10 PM	#23
Dean23 68cst_ss490 Join Date: May 2001 Location: edmonton,canada Posts: 1,363	all did was copy the properties from imagetstation where i had it enlarged. and it comes out that big on here. __________________ Dean edmonton,canada a winter wonderland 2005 Chevrolet Avalanche LT cold air intake, performance exhaust, Comp cams cam, jba shorty ceramic headers. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3090973

04-03-2005, 09:27 PM	#24
68w/sbc406 Got Light Emitting Diode? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Newberg, OR Posts: 2,485	black oxide bolts look good. i might get those. P.S. nice valve covers. i have them but in black __________________ 1968 1/2 ton 2wd lwb 6 lug disc and bags up front. Next c notch and rear bags '02 Chevy Silverado LT ext cab short bed 2WD 5/7 drop on 22's(the family car) 1993 Cherokee work ride/weekend wheeler

04-03-2005, 11:13 PM	#25
chevytruckfan Account Suspended Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 930	Nice looking engine, what is that serpentine system off of and will one fit on my 86 block?

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