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sr67chevyfleet · 01-10-2006, 05:17 PM

I went to go nad start my truck today and it wouldnt turn over I thought it was the battery because it was pretty much dead and it wouldnt keep a charge so I got a new one and put it in and the same thing happend. I went to turn it over and all it did was make a click click click sound and the fan would move a little bit with hesatation. what could this be? can anyone help me with this ongoing problem. what should I do.? the motor is a 350 by the way
thanks in advance
steve

Tynee · 01-10-2006, 05:21 PM

If its a brand new battery and the charge is good on it, then your next step is to pull the starter and take it to Auto Zone before you spend any more money. They will tell you whether or not the starter is the issue. This seems most likely to me IF you are certain that you have a good battery. It wouldn't hurt anything to take it with you to A.Z. and have them check it out. Even new parts aren't always good parts.

67ChevyRedneck · 01-10-2006, 05:24 PM

Starter solenoid

Starter

Bad ground connections somewhere

Bad positive wire connections

I'd check all of your wire connections to the battery first and make sure the terminals and connectors are clean. If there is heavy corrosion you may want to clean the wire connections in the battery terminals (mine were real crusty and cause the truck to not start once.)

Could also be the solenoid on the starter is going bad or the whole starter in general needs to be replaced.

67ChevyRedneck · 01-10-2006, 05:25 PM

Too slow typing agian....

70rs/ss · 01-10-2006, 05:26 PM

Starter could be drawing a lot of amps. This will sound crazy, but the for sure way. Take the starter, alt, and battery to a checker, autozone and hve them tested. If one is bad then replace, if not then it is probably the key switch. I am sure there are many ways to check on the vehicle, but I like to test the components and know for sure what is not working and then replace, as you could start replacing components to the tune of $100's of dollars and still not fix it. You may be able to jump it (get it running) and drive to one of the above places and have them diagnose in the truck. One other thing, the voltage regulator could be hung open and drained the new bat as well. It is a long list, but check them all and you will find the culprit, good luck.

sr67chevyfleet · 01-10-2006, 05:28 PM

thanks guys i thought it was the starter b/c the battery is new and all but I will check the all the grounds.

70rs/ss · 01-10-2006, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67ChevyRedneck

Too slow typing agian....

Me too!! All good info, I listed a bunch and I guess I assumed you would have already checked for loose, corroded (sp?), or broken wires and connections. But to digress, check wires and connections first then test components.

8bolt · 01-10-2006, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sr67chevyfleet

I went to go nad start my truck today and it wouldnt turn over I thought it was the battery because it was pretty much dead and it wouldnt keep a charge so I got a new one and put it in and the same thing happend. I went to turn it over and all it did was make a click click click sound and the fan would move a little bit with hesatation. what could this be? can anyone help me with this ongoing problem. what should I do.? the motor is a 350 by the way
thanks in advance
steve

LET US KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS

sr67chevyfleet · 01-10-2006, 06:03 PM

I havent looked yet but is the starter easy to get out ?

Longhorn Man · 01-10-2006, 06:14 PM

easy for some... a PITA for others...
If you have full length headers, it'll be a pain for just about anyone.

CJJ67 · 01-10-2006, 06:55 PM

This may not help you but this weekend we had the same problem with my neighbors 72 GMC. We had the alternator, starter and dead battery tested at autozone. The alternator was good but the starter smoked like nothing else and something had drained the eight month old battery. So we replaced the starter and battery. Reinstalled the new stuff and then we did a voltage test and found out that 10 was the output. Out of blind luck, we pulled the voltage regulator and it was falling apart. We changed that, retested and the output is 13-14.??. Alternator is charging the battery, no more clicking and his truck starts and runs smoothly. Like I said, this may not help, but this is what we did this weekend for a similar problem.

sr67chevyfleet · 01-10-2006, 11:02 PM

where would I find the voltage regulator?

CJJ67 · 01-11-2006, 04:43 PM

usually its a small seperate black box (about 5" X 5") mounted on the radiator core support on the drivers side.

junkyardjohn · 01-11-2006, 05:43 PM

ALL THIS MAY SOUND ELEMENTRY TO YOU & IF IT DOES LET ME OPALAGISE (SP) IN ADVANCE. PULL YOUR HEADLIGHTS ON & SEE IF THEY LIGHT UP. THIS WILL TELL IF YOU HAVE JUICE IN YOUR BATTERY OR NOT. NEXT..TURN THE KEY WHILE SOMEONE IS WATCHING THE LIGHTS... IF THEY DIM ALOT WHEN YOU TURN THE KEY... YOU'VE GOT A DEAD SHORT SOMEWHERE. IF YOU HEAR CLIKING WHEN YOU TURN THE KEY, WITH A GOOD BATTERY, THE STARTER CELINOID IS OK & DOING ITS JOB. NEXT TRY WACKING THE STARTER WITH A HAMMER. SOMETIMES THE WINDINGS ON THE STARTER ARE STUCK. IF ALL OF THIS CHECKS OUT OK, OR IF IT STARTS AFTER WACKING IT, I WOULD PULL THE STARTWER & HAVE IT CHECKED. JOHN

sr67chevyfleet · 01-11-2006, 05:48 PM

Thanks junkyardjohn
I havent tryed the hammer yet im afraid if I do I will get to pissed off at It

sr67chevyfleet · 01-11-2006, 06:37 PM

well i tryed the hammer and when I went to go and turn it over all I had was a click click noise from me trying to turn it over. I had more clicks without the hammer dont know what better but I know that the + wire from the battery going to the starter is warm do you know what that means?

Tynee · 01-11-2006, 06:48 PM

unfortunately I don't know what the warm cable means, but my gut is still telling me its the starter, and the method mentioned above doesn't cost you anything to get it checked. Starter is easy enough to pull. Its just 2 bolts + the electrical connections.

sr67chevyfleet · 01-11-2006, 06:55 PM

Thanks For The Help Tynee

**VetteVet** · 01-11-2006, 10:27 PM

The cable is warm because it's getting a lot of amps pushed through it at a high resistance. The starter is stuck or there is a short in the windings to ground and it is drawing a lot of amps. If any of you has tried to turn a new tight engine over it will cause the starter to draw a lot of amps.
I don't know how autozone tests starters but they have to be tested under load to be tested properly. It sounds like you may need a new one. VV

junkyardjohn · 01-11-2006, 11:21 PM

YEP-- IT SURE SOUNDS LIKE A DEAD SHORT IN THE STARTER TO ME. I'D THINK ABOUT BUYING A STARTER IF IT WAS ME. JOHN

lamar · 01-12-2006, 12:14 AM

The same thing happened to me and it was my ignition switch. I bought a new battery, starter and had the alt. rebuilt and still had the problem. The switch had a short in it. Lamar.

sr67chevyfleet · 01-12-2006, 12:17 AM

Thanks for all the help everyone now I now why everyone comes here.

01-10-2006, 05:17 PM	#1
sr67chevyfleet Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Blaine Wa Posts: 82	I have a problem I went to go nad start my truck today and it wouldnt turn over I thought it was the battery because it was pretty much dead and it wouldnt keep a charge so I got a new one and put it in and the same thing happend. I went to turn it over and all it did was make a click click click sound and the fan would move a little bit with hesatation. what could this be? can anyone help me with this ongoing problem. what should I do.? the motor is a 350 by the way thanks in advance steve

01-10-2006, 05:21 PM	#2
Tynee I miss this truck. Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Lexington, KY U.S.A. Posts: 2,863	Re: I have a problem If its a brand new battery and the charge is good on it, then your next step is to pull the starter and take it to Auto Zone before you spend any more money. They will tell you whether or not the starter is the issue. This seems most likely to me IF you are certain that you have a good battery. It wouldn't hurt anything to take it with you to A.Z. and have them check it out. Even new parts aren't always good parts. __________________ '07 GMC Acadia SLT. Sweet ride. '08 Crew Cab Z-71 short bed. Really like this truck A LOT.

01-10-2006, 05:24 PM	#3
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: I have a problem Starter solenoid Starter Bad ground connections somewhere Bad positive wire connections I'd check all of your wire connections to the battery first and make sure the terminals and connectors are clean. If there is heavy corrosion you may want to clean the wire connections in the battery terminals (mine were real crusty and cause the truck to not start once.) Could also be the solenoid on the starter is going bad or the whole starter in general needs to be replaced. __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

01-10-2006, 05:25 PM	#4
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: I have a problem Too slow typing agian.... __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

01-10-2006, 05:26 PM	#5
70rs/ss Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,270	Re: I have a problem Starter could be drawing a lot of amps. This will sound crazy, but the for sure way. Take the starter, alt, and battery to a checker, autozone and hve them tested. If one is bad then replace, if not then it is probably the key switch. I am sure there are many ways to check on the vehicle, but I like to test the components and know for sure what is not working and then replace, as you could start replacing components to the tune of $100's of dollars and still not fix it. You may be able to jump it (get it running) and drive to one of the above places and have them diagnose in the truck. One other thing, the voltage regulator could be hung open and drained the new bat as well. It is a long list, but check them all and you will find the culprit, good luck.

01-10-2006, 05:28 PM	#6
sr67chevyfleet Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Blaine Wa Posts: 82	Re: I have a problem thanks guys i thought it was the starter b/c the battery is new and all but I will check the all the grounds.

01-10-2006, 06:03 PM	#9
sr67chevyfleet Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Blaine Wa Posts: 82	Re: I have a problem I havent looked yet but is the starter easy to get out ?

01-10-2006, 06:14 PM	#10
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	Re: I have a problem easy for some... a PITA for others... If you have full length headers, it'll be a pain for just about anyone.

01-10-2006, 06:55 PM	#11
CJJ67 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Temecula, Ca. Posts: 64	Re: I have a problem This may not help you but this weekend we had the same problem with my neighbors 72 GMC. We had the alternator, starter and dead battery tested at autozone. The alternator was good but the starter smoked like nothing else and something had drained the eight month old battery. So we replaced the starter and battery. Reinstalled the new stuff and then we did a voltage test and found out that 10 was the output. Out of blind luck, we pulled the voltage regulator and it was falling apart. We changed that, retested and the output is 13-14.??. Alternator is charging the battery, no more clicking and his truck starts and runs smoothly. Like I said, this may not help, but this is what we did this weekend for a similar problem.

01-10-2006, 11:02 PM	#12
sr67chevyfleet Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Blaine Wa Posts: 82	Re: I have a problem where would I find the voltage regulator?

01-11-2006, 04:43 PM	#13
CJJ67 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Temecula, Ca. Posts: 64	Re: I have a problem usually its a small seperate black box (about 5" X 5") mounted on the radiator core support on the drivers side.

01-11-2006, 05:43 PM	#14
junkyardjohn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SOMERSET KY. Posts: 6,425	Re: I have a problem ALL THIS MAY SOUND ELEMENTRY TO YOU & IF IT DOES LET ME OPALAGISE (SP) IN ADVANCE. PULL YOUR HEADLIGHTS ON & SEE IF THEY LIGHT UP. THIS WILL TELL IF YOU HAVE JUICE IN YOUR BATTERY OR NOT. NEXT..TURN THE KEY WHILE SOMEONE IS WATCHING THE LIGHTS... IF THEY DIM ALOT WHEN YOU TURN THE KEY... YOU'VE GOT A DEAD SHORT SOMEWHERE. IF YOU HEAR CLIKING WHEN YOU TURN THE KEY, WITH A GOOD BATTERY, THE STARTER CELINOID IS OK & DOING ITS JOB. NEXT TRY WACKING THE STARTER WITH A HAMMER. SOMETIMES THE WINDINGS ON THE STARTER ARE STUCK. IF ALL OF THIS CHECKS OUT OK, OR IF IT STARTS AFTER WACKING IT, I WOULD PULL THE STARTWER & HAVE IT CHECKED. JOHN __________________ junkyardjohn 69 1 TON TOW TRUCK // 84 4WD CUCV BLAZER// 85 1 TON 4WD STAKE TRUCK// 86 M1031 5/4 TON 4WD CUCV// ALOT OF OLD TRUCKS FOR ONE OLD MAN TO DRIVE. THERES ROOM FOR ALL OF GODS CREATURES RIGHT NEXT TO MY MASHED POTATOES// LIFE MEMBER OF P.E.T.A (PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS) DON'T RENT U-HAUL ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH IT WILL AMAZE PART OF THE PEOPLE & ASTONISH THE REST

01-11-2006, 05:48 PM	#15
sr67chevyfleet Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Blaine Wa Posts: 82	Re: I have a problem Thanks junkyardjohn I havent tryed the hammer yet im afraid if I do I will get to pissed off at It

01-11-2006, 06:37 PM	#16
sr67chevyfleet Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Blaine Wa Posts: 82	Re: I have a problem well i tryed the hammer and when I went to go and turn it over all I had was a click click noise from me trying to turn it over. I had more clicks without the hammer dont know what better but I know that the + wire from the battery going to the starter is warm do you know what that means?

01-11-2006, 06:48 PM	#17
Tynee I miss this truck. Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Lexington, KY U.S.A. Posts: 2,863	Re: I have a problem unfortunately I don't know what the warm cable means, but my gut is still telling me its the starter, and the method mentioned above doesn't cost you anything to get it checked. Starter is easy enough to pull. Its just 2 bolts + the electrical connections. __________________ '07 GMC Acadia SLT. Sweet ride. '08 Crew Cab Z-71 short bed. Really like this truck A LOT.



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01-11-2006, 06:55 PM	#18
sr67chevyfleet Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Blaine Wa Posts: 82	Re: I have a problem Thanks For The Help Tynee

01-11-2006, 10:27 PM	#19
VetteVet Msgt USAF Ret Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan Posts: 8,718	Re: I have a problem The cable is warm because it's getting a lot of amps pushed through it at a high resistance. The starter is stuck or there is a short in the windings to ground and it is drawing a lot of amps. If any of you has tried to turn a new tight engine over it will cause the starter to draw a lot of amps. I don't know how autozone tests starters but they have to be tested under load to be tested properly. It sounds like you may need a new one. VV __________________ VetteVet metallic green 67 stepside 74 corvette convertible 1965 Harley sportster 1995 Harley wide glide Growing old is hell, but it beats the alternative.

01-11-2006, 11:21 PM	#20
junkyardjohn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SOMERSET KY. Posts: 6,425	Re: I have a problem YEP-- IT SURE SOUNDS LIKE A DEAD SHORT IN THE STARTER TO ME. I'D THINK ABOUT BUYING A STARTER IF IT WAS ME. JOHN __________________ junkyardjohn 69 1 TON TOW TRUCK // 84 4WD CUCV BLAZER// 85 1 TON 4WD STAKE TRUCK// 86 M1031 5/4 TON 4WD CUCV// ALOT OF OLD TRUCKS FOR ONE OLD MAN TO DRIVE. THERES ROOM FOR ALL OF GODS CREATURES RIGHT NEXT TO MY MASHED POTATOES// LIFE MEMBER OF P.E.T.A (PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS) DON'T RENT U-HAUL ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH IT WILL AMAZE PART OF THE PEOPLE & ASTONISH THE REST

01-12-2006, 12:14 AM	#21
lamar Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Covington,Ga Posts: 453	Re: I have a problem The same thing happened to me and it was my ignition switch. I bought a new battery, starter and had the alt. rebuilt and still had the problem. The switch had a short in it. Lamar. __________________ 72 C-10

01-12-2006, 12:17 AM	#22
sr67chevyfleet Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Blaine Wa Posts: 82	Re: I have a problem Thanks for all the help everyone now I now why everyone comes here.

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