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heim joints vs bushing ends?
are heim joints any good looking @ fbirides.com
the 73 complete 4 link kit? are heim joints strong enough, safe, reliable? thanks for help looking to put it on my 84 crew that i converted to 1/2 ton suspension? Last edited by duceducenine; 06-12-2008 at 08:23 PM. |
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
get on ***************** they have the heaviest duty overkill stuf around, i saw on nissancustom.com this same question and they said *****************. i got a 4link kit from a local race shop and couldnt make the heims work without a pan hard bar so i got the heavy duty triangulated 4link kit fron suicidedoors and thats stuf is stout, it puts that other stuf to shame. check out the difference! hope this helps
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
if you get the GOOD heims, XM, RSM type from places like ballisticfabrication.com then yes, they are good. The heims that FBI uses are very cheap and wear out very quickly.
A full bushing 4 link doesnt give a lot of movement, so if you just plan to roll and not really flex your truck around (i.e. sides, try to 3 wheel, etc) then bushings are fine. If you want some movement in what you build, then heims or johnny joints are the way to go. suicidedoors is fine, but i order most of my stuff from gravity-werx.com |
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
vote #2 for suicide doors ... very well known and reputable, as opposed to some
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
I use bushing ends or joints such as super flex joints or johnny joints. Everyday street use is not the place for heim ends in my opinion.
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
the ones i got from that race shop didnt even have grease fittings! thats metal on metal! i bet they squeek too!
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
You can get a heim that is everyday.. they last 20-30k if you get a good heim.
metal to metal heims is what i think FBI is using, if not they are the cheap kevlar ones (there are better grade kevlar ones).. Heim's do not need a grease joint as they are self contained. It is what quality you get as to if they will last or not. Being self contained, they dont get anything in them to damage them. these are pretty decent heims. http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/...p_84-1423.html |
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
yea those are alot nicer than the sh!ts i got
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
If you purchase a QUALITY heim from a fab or race shop...then you will not have any problems.....
Just to give you an idea....back in the day...we used to use "hardware store issue" ![]() We put TREMENDOUS amounts of load of those things...side and straight on loads. Those darns things would bend and the end of the shaft, and stay together. The entire side weight load of a 65 Impala, up on three wheels, all supported by a heims-joint and one rear corner...not bad for a $9 Orchard Supply Hardware store heim !!! So if you aquire some quality ends, they will last, for sure !!! Especially just a suspension link.
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
Do not buy fbi's heims I agree with previous responses fbi is local to me and I know a lot of people down there owner and manager included. But like I said there heims are garbage (to say it in a nice way), they carry a lot of good stuff but heims are not one of them I will get info from my buddy who owns BC Fab and see what he uses, there a good quality heim but they cost twice fbi's
I prefer bushing ends or superflex joints, superflex's are greasable, easily rebuildable, there like a spherical bushing, Like putting a bushing and a heim in a blender
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
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![]() Road grime plus Heim = prematurely worn out, noisy, sloppy connect points. If you're going to drive it, use bushings.
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
Sealed? It's a metal spherical bearing. Regardless of what you want to wipe them with, they're subject to the same laws of nature as any other metal moving part. Since my comment was tied to "daily driving" can you point out examples where automobile manufacturers (who have spent LOTS of R&D dollars on cost-effectiveness, durability, and reliability for their moving suspension parts) use Heim joints? They use rubber (urethane, graphite, whatever) bushings for a reason.
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
thanks everyone for your help looks like i wont be doing heims.......
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
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They are a spherical bearing and they do move and eventually wear out, the ****ty ones wear out really quick, the GOOD ones last you 20-30-40k miles, if not more. You act like they instantly get dirt in them and are junk.. they are like Uniballs.. they move, but they the contact area is sealed off.. when the joint pivots, you're not dragging rock and **** into it, there isnt a huge gap there.. hell use the heim dust boots if you're worried then. Just like johnny joints, they need rebuilt at some point.. bushings are fine, but if the guys wants movement he needs to get a heim or johnny joint.. i use bushings b/c i never hit sides, but some ppl do and they need to be told what their options are for what THEY want, not what everyone else wants. |
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
XXL you are right.... for a daily driver you want to use a bushed end... better yet a compressed rubber bushed end link. Heim ends will work for daily drivers in a panhard bar situation but on a link bar ... definitely bushed or rubber.
The best heims you can get on the market are kevlar lined heim joint. The problem is like XXL mentioned... you will eventually get small debris between the kevlar and the metal ball or outer shell. Once that happens... you loose tolerance and the rod end is done. |
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
thanks guys for the info i just bought a kp 6 link.......
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
Good choice !
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
Thanks for stepping in Tony...
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
No problem man....... I post when I can. If you people would quit calling me I would have more time to screw around.......
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Re: heim joints vs bushing ends?
bulletproofsteering.com has some nice rod ends if your using 3/4-16 with a 3/4 bore.
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