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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Bristol, Pa
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Hi Guys... dont shoot me.
I'm a Jeeper who enjoys the backcountry and Overland style of wheeling... not into the rockcrawling scene anymore.
To that end i just picked up a homemade trailer which started life as a early-mid 60's step side. This will be used for carrying gear, my roof tent etc. heres a pic.. ![]() I need some info if ya'll would be kind enough. Whats the wheel bolt pattern? It's 6 lug. I need to raise the trailer tongue about 5" to sit level behind the Cherokee. I plan to replace the 31" tires on now to 33's, and somehow add a few inches to the suspension. Has anyone replaced the coils with something for 3" lift, or does someone make a coil spacer for this? Considering air bags in the future. I will be removing the fenders and fabbing a set that resemble a 1/4 ton military Jeep trailer, also replacing the axle with a 3500# trailer axle. Anyone know the width of this rear axle? Appreciate any info or links to help me out. John |
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Resistance is Futile
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Mesa,Arizona
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Re: Hi Guys... dont shoot me.
The 6-lug pattern is 5.5"..........dont know the rest.
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: fresno,ca
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Re: Hi Guys... dont shoot me.
Cherokees can be some really great off roaders. My current money pit is a '94 YJ. I built if for all around wheelin', rocks, mud (i love mud!!!!), desert, dunes and just back trail exploring.
Here's some jeep sites to check out: http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/index.php http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/index.php This one has some good info, just be careful what section you post in: http://www.pirate4x4.com/welcome1.php |
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Bristol, Pa
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Re: Hi Guys... dont shoot me.
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I'm familiar with those sites, but i thank you. Heres a pic of my Cherokee and the tent i want to get off the Jeep and on the trailer. ![]() Like i said, i'd like some info on lifting the trailers suspension so it sits level with the Jeep. Did some searching but havent found any info as yet. Thanks for the wheel bolt pattern protrash64. Nice truck in your avatar. John |
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Re: Hi Guys... dont shoot me.
I would just make up your own spacers...or use some Ford front springs...they are super long, and can be cut down to size.
Or you can go ahead with the trailer axle/air bag swap.
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Bristol, Pa
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Re: Hi Guys... dont shoot me.
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I'm looking to get the lift done quickly and cheap, next winter i'll probably rebuild making improvements once again. Trailer axle, tubular trailing arms etc. I think i have a better idea for a plan now from the tech on this forum... thanks all. BTW: Dad had a 65 stepside when i was growing up... he still misses that truck. Last edited by ExpeditionXJ; 02-12-2008 at 04:33 AM. |
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Bristol, Pa
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Re: Hi Guys... dont shoot me.
Sorry to bring back an old thread, but i'm hoping to start this project here shortly.
I found coils that will lift this trailer the ~3" i need in some Wrangler 6" lift rears. I also just found a trailer axle which brings me back searching. I believe i have an Eaton 12bolt in this trailer. 6 lug, coil spring, third member with 12 bolts and diff cover with 10 bolts. Am i correct in it's ID? I dont have the trailer here for me to check it's width, can anyone tell me what it is? I found a trailer axle that's 65" wide and wondering how much of a difference there will be. Appreciate any feedback. |
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Re: Hi Guys... dont shoot me.
Well since your trailer is made from a 1/2 ton, it should have a 12 bolt under it. That diff will have 12 bolts on the rear cover as well as on the ring gear. The other option in a 1/2 ton was with the GMC's which some came with Dana 44's. You being an offroader, I'm sure would have figured that one out on your own. So it is most likely a 12 bolt, which has a WMS to WMS measurement of 62 1/8".
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Cremona AB Canada
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Re: Hi Guys... dont shoot me.
If you are going to swap in a new axle you may want to consider puting the axle under the trailing arms and as to the width you can probably make up what you need with wheel offset. I wouldn't rush to change out those arms there excellent technology, look under a nascar cup car they still use a copy of that suspension.
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Location: Bristol, Pa
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Re: Hi Guys... dont shoot me.
Thanks for the input guys. Captain, your right i would have ID'd a D44. But this axle def has 10 bolts on the diff cover. Stopped and checked it out yesterday. Anyway, thanks for the length, it told me the trailer axle i found is within 1" of this one.
I was hoping to ID it so i could put it up for sale, along with the fenders on this. I'll stop again with my camera and get some shots. 62... thats a damn good idea and one i hadnt thought of. I measured the axletube dia and trailing arm.. right at 6". That save me buying coils. Another stroke of luck is the trailer axle i found seems to have the same width on the spring perches. Thanks again guys. ![]() |
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Re: Hi Guys... dont shoot me.
OK, I looked at the first pic a little closer and it looks as though this trailer was made from a '60-'62 truck. In which case it would have the early truck 10 bolt, the 55T as some call it. If so it will not only have a rear cover, but also a drop out 3rd member. Basically just a smaller version of a HO52/72 differential.
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Location: Cremona AB Canada
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Re: Hi Guys... dont shoot me.
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By the way you fab up some NICE stuff
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62 GMC 910 short fleetside 454 super t10 14 bolt w/gov lock 70s c20 front discs (built in the 80s) 65 GMC 930 dualwheel 292 4spd all origonal 39k mi(my sons truck) 63 GMC 950 camperized school bus, (Gus the bus) 350 4speed 2 speed rear 64 GMC 950 "spare" bus 283? 4speed detroit locker 53 GMC 1ton dual wheel bus 78 GMC c25 short course off road race truck(son's truck) 355 th400 14 bolt (www.wheel2wheel.ca) 88 Peterbilt 379 longhood (hauls race truck) ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Location: Bristol, Pa
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Re: Hi Guys... dont shoot me.
Captain, it does indeed have a removable third member. Thanks for the ID!
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Re: Hi Guys... dont shoot me.
I didn't realize that even though I like those old FJ's. Now that you mention it, those diffs do look similar.
Thanks for the compliment ![]()
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Location: New Blaine, Arkansas
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Re: Hi Guys... dont shoot me.
They are so close that the old land cruisers have dual wheel cylinder, which become a pain. You can swap the backing plate complete with brakes from an old chevy 6 bolt on to the land cruiser, direct bolt on.
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