Original smog equipment for 1962 C10..

[Super73]

Here is a thread explaining a recent run in with an officer.
http://www.chpforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4510

I would like to know what was on a 62 from the factory in regards to smog devices. Was there PCV? Air pump? I know there wasn't much. But after getting pulled over for "street racing" which I wasn't, I want to make sure they can't get me for anything on my truck.

Thanks in advance.


Shaun

[Couch]

ya, been there. just read the whole thing.

i actually recieved a smog ref for my truck...but.... i got it in the mail from the california air research board or whatever it is. it stated that i was seen smoking profusively driving by a member of the board. which i probably was.old engine at the time and the rings were toast. it bellowed smoke at high rpms. i ignored it like i never got it. 6 months went by and they called me. on my cell.how they got it i dont know.i said yeah i got it, thought it was junk mail because my truck is smog exempt. they asked if i had taken care of the problem. i said yes and they sent a guy out to make sure it didnt smoke.(restore4 works wonders in a pinch). he asked to pop the hood i said no, i was sighted for smoking not whats under the hood. he said it didnt matter what was under the hood,the law cant tell you that you cant modify a chevy engine enough to make it illegal. so i popped it. and we bull**** cars for like an hour.

sorry for the novel.lol

couch

[rwgregory]

In the state of California any vehicle that is a 1973 or older is smog exempt.

[64Magoo]

I thought it was '75...

[rwgregory]

I just had my car smogged 3 weeks ago at a "test only" station and asked the owner of the station what the cutoff year is and he said '73 and older.

[ChiefRocka]

I just read the whole thing as well.....Didn't look like you got a straight answer..but looks like you did piss off some of those CHP's (hope you never get popped by them)

So let me get this straight.....For Example....in my '63:

If the 350 in the truck now pullutes the same as the orignal engine did back in '63 and I keep the PCV on there, than I am ok ??

What about the fact that it was originally a 6 ?? With single exhaust ??

I got into a converstion about a year ago with an older gentleman regarding my truck.

We talked about this same thing..Is there something I/we dont know ??

I thought if it was 73 or older...it's balls out ??

I have an 86 Samurai that I will be swapping in a 2000 4.3 Vortec and tranny out of an S-10...

I was told I have to retain the S-10 exhaust components (not the same pipes, just evetything in the same "distance" from the engine...(ie: the cats, the O2 sensors) they all have to be in the same location (distance wise) from the engine....

It will be smogged as an S-10...should be clean than the 86 Suzuki 4-banger ever was, I would thing ??

Anyway...hope it all works for you !!

John

[Chevy Fleetside]

Cut off is 75 and under. Also about swapping engines. The engine can't be an eariler model then the vehicle that is it going into. in other words you can't put an 82 s 10 engine into an 86 Suzuki. It has to be 86 or newer and it has to have the smog components that was on the engine year that you installed. This includes older cars/trucks also. No one really ever checks but it could happen.
Seeing I am putting an 89 BB in my 65 it is supposed to have all of the 89 smog componets hooked up to it but we all know that is not going to happen...

[jchav62]

62's didn't come with any smog devices...as for PCV, they came with a breather at the oil fill tube, and a road draft tube... I'm lucky, here in Northern NM we don't have to deal with smog... when I live in NV, I dealt with it, but the cut off was early 70's, I believe...

[Super73]

I'm still waiting for the California Ref to call me. I don't have any tickets and was not cited for anything.. But in the event I or my friends get harassed about smog crap, I want to have a leg to stand on.


Shaun

[Frizzle Fry]

Glad I moved out of Cali for that reason. In Oregon we can register a vehicle as what it "appears to be." For example my 61 on a 99 vette roller will still register as the 61 with the 61 vin. I'm sure swapping around the newer stuff is not that simple.

[Super73]

According to this it is 1975 and older.. http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/smogfaq.htm


But that doesn't allow you to remove smog equipment from what I understnd so, if you had cats in 73 you would have to run them legaly.

This is what I'm trying to understand for my 62. If it only had a breather, from the factory, based on what the next link says, I don't see any reason I can't run a later model motor in a 62 with the same set up.

At the very bottom of this link: http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm/

Exemptions for Uncontrolled Vehicles
Vehicles that were manufactured before emission control regulations took effect are called uncontrolled vehicles. Aftermarket parts regulations and anti-tampering laws do not apply to these vehicles.
Uncontrolled vehicles may have any aftermarket add-on or modified part installed as long as the vehicle can still meet the tailpipe emission standards for the year of the vehicle. Uncontrolled vehicles must retain any original or retrofit crankcase control (PCV) devices and NOx device required for the year of the vehicle.
The following vehicles are considered uncontrolled vehicles:
1965 and Older : U.S. Manufactured California Certified Vehicles

1967 and Older: U.S. Manufactured Federally Certified Vehicles

1967 and Older: Foreign Manufactured Vehicles

[leftcoast66]

Wierd, I always have read and I know some friends w/ motor swaps in their bmw's have gotten in trouble for not claiming it had a 95 or so motor in the 91 chassis. I was told it was the newest part on the car here in washington that determines the standards. So since I've got a 91 chassis w/ a 94 motor, they emissions me at the level from 94. Kinda interesting, figured I'd throw that out there.

[javadoc]

Originally Posted by leftcoast66

Wierd, I always have read and I know some friends w/ motor swaps in their bmw's have gotten in trouble for not claiming it had a 95 or so motor in the 91 chassis. I was told it was the newest part on the car here in washington that determines the standards. So since I've got a 91 chassis w/ a 94 motor, they emissions me at the level from 94. Kinda interesting, figured I'd throw that out there.

That's the way it is in most states. California is probably different. Example: If you have a '62 truck and put in an '88 engine, then you're supposed to be running the smog equipment for the '88. If you have an '88 truck and put in a '62 engine, you're supposed to run smog equipment for the '88.

Of course, while Smokey is likely a gearhead, he/she's not going to know much of anything about specific engines. Heck, I've been pulled over in my Volvo and a Trooper 'inspected' it, only to ask what the heck all of those pipes were going to and from the back of the engine. That and my carb was maknig some funny sounds. "Uh, the car came turbo-charged sir, and it's fuel injected," I humbly replied. My point is that a copy won't generally know what they're looking at, and you could just say it's a "dressed up 327" under the hood. YMMV.

[greg64]

Interesting... Here in BC things are a bit different (better and worse). The better is the smog test is only based on the year of the vehicle. And, the law states that replacement engines must be the same year or newer. But, if an LS1 was used in a 60-66, it would only have to pass the standards for the year of the truck, not the engine. Of course the LS1 would pass (probably with no cats).

Now the worse is that vehicles aren't exempt by age. So, our 60-66s would have to be tested here. But, it's to a pretty lax standard, although everything 1973 and older is tested to the same standard. Even collector trailer queens are tested, but it's a bit different.... Those type of cars only have to be tested once at registration (what's the point? I don't know). Now, the trouble with that is the guy with his Cord can't legally drive it on the street because he can't pass the test.

Here's the neat & screwy part.... My Suburban has a GVW that is high enough (over 5200 lbs) that it is completely exempt! Bonus! We don't test 3/4 or 1 ton trucks here because of this.

[Super73]

Originally Posted by jchav62

62's didn't come with any smog devices...as for PCV, they came with a breather at the oil fill tube, and a road draft tube... I'm lucky, here in Northern NM we don't have to deal with smog... when I live in NV, I dealt with it, but the cut off was early 70's, I believe...

Does anyone have a picture of a factory breather setup.. I would like to put one on my truck just for general purpose, but want to make sure I'm getting the correct factory part. Thanks

[Ronin8451]

If your truck is belching out oil filled smoke, then you will be cited no matter what the year it is or where ! Speaking as someone with severe respiratory problems, you should not drive a car that is burning oil ! Oil belching cars is the exact reason why legislature is trying to get the older vehicles off the road and we don't need to give them any fuel for the fire .

Rick

[Super73]

My truck burns no oil. Heck, I would almost bet it burns cleaner than a lot of the trucks on this site. Wideband has me dialed at 14.5 to 14.9-1 Air Fuel at idle and part cruise and it only goes richer at WOT 12.6-12.8 range. Gotta love the LS1's tunability.