Is it a Saginaw or muncie? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

LandonL · 08-01-2010, 03:24 PM

This was sitting behind an inline 250. The truck it came out of was the bare stock no optioned truck of 67. Im leaning towards saginaw, but would like reassurance before I buy a rebuild kit..
4 bolt side cover, it's a 3 spd.

Pics:

travlinman · 08-01-2010, 03:54 PM

i believe the saginaw were 7 bolt and muncie were 9 bolt but not 100%.
someone else will for sure know.

Livrat · 08-01-2010, 04:11 PM

It is not a Saginaw.. that is the factory GM trans (last used in 67, not sure if it was called a Muncie or not)

Heres a link to a Saginaw pic

http://chevellecd.net/66cd/etr/trans.../hd3-speed.jpg

LandonL · 08-01-2010, 04:22 PM

Oh, well I was completely wrong then. Do these normally sound like a meat grinder in second? Anyway, where can I get a rebuild kit for it.

mbgmike · 08-01-2010, 05:04 PM

I think they are called the V4S

LandonL · 08-01-2010, 05:18 PM

Know where I can find a manual or any information on it? Looking for a rebuild kit also.

basemodel67 · 08-01-2010, 05:20 PM

Nope, not a Muncie or a Saginaw. I think it is called a POS!

That is a dinky gearbox. Kinda reminds me of those old boxes behind flatheads. I don't think it would hold up to much power.

LandonL · 08-01-2010, 05:28 PM

It may be a POS but its going back in the truck, I don't have the funds to upgrade trans's atm.

c1069 · 08-01-2010, 05:36 PM

I found this link, I hope you find the information you're looking for

LandonL · 08-01-2010, 05:37 PM

I think it's a GM-V4S-01-01TR-90
The case number matches up to the one listed on this page http://mmerlinn.com/catalog/papercli...s/gmv4s010.htm

Now where in the hell am I gonna find a kit to rebuild it lol

c1069 · 08-01-2010, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbgmike

I think they are called the V4S

x2. here is a link for parts http://mmerlinn.com/catalog/papercli...s/gmv4s010.htm

LandonL · 08-01-2010, 05:49 PM

Im looking for an entire kit, I might give that guy a call.

mr.chevy · 08-01-2010, 07:41 PM

Never seen a trans that looked like that before. Does it cost more to rebuild than its worth?

mr.chevy · 08-01-2010, 07:46 PM

Ya know i bought a new process 833 3speed with an overdrive for like 100 bucks and its proving to be an easy conversion except i need a new drive shaft well shorter. i am only saying its an option.

LandonL · 08-01-2010, 08:55 PM

It's got the three on the tree setup, and switching to an automatic= $$ and a hole cut in the floor. Are there any 3spd manuals that bolt up to the existing three on the tree setup?
If I did decide to go the 200R4 direction what ALL will I need, I do think the radiator has line hookups for cooling.

*72lb4x4* · 08-01-2010, 09:20 PM

Got any pics of the removable lower part of the bellhousing? Maybe a casting number?

LandonL · 08-01-2010, 09:48 PM

I don't have any pics of the bottom.

dwcsr · 08-01-2010, 10:19 PM

Its a Muncie SM318. Kits are still available for them. You won't find syncro rings and the sliders are hard to come by. You can find low reverse gears and reverse idlers on ebay but they are a bit pricey. Try http://www.mackstrans.com/ for the kit. I get kits from them and they have reasonable prices. The bearing kits are almost all the same, its the gears that can very greatly so you need to know what year and model it came out of.

Davetopay · 08-01-2010, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livrat

It is not a Saginaw.. that is the factory GM trans (last used in 67, not sure if it was called a Muncie or not)

Heres a link to a Saginaw pic

http://chevellecd.net/66cd/etr/trans.../hd3-speed.jpg

That's a car tranny.

LandonL · 08-01-2010, 10:47 PM

How can I be sure it's a Muncie SM318?

dwcsr · 08-01-2010, 10:48 PM

It may have been in some cars but its the same transmission that was in the 55-66 or 7 Chevy 1/2 tons. Cars had a rear support cast into the tail shaft

Davetopay · 08-01-2010, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwcsr

It may have been in some cars but its the same transmission that was in the 55-66 or 7 Chevy 1/2 tons. Cars had a rear support cast into the tail shaft

Sorry! With a real quick glance it looked like a 60's passenger muncie 4spd. It's getting late. lol

LandonL · 08-01-2010, 11:00 PM

How can I be sure it's a Muncie SM318?

*72lb4x4* · 08-01-2010, 11:00 PM

No sense arguing when the case number 3830210 is in the pic:

http://mmerlinn.com/catalog/papercli...s/gmv4s010.htm

GM-V4S-01-01TR-90
Bell = 3765710, Chevy
Case = 3830210
Tail = 3844357
Bearing Retainer = 3741468
Input = 10 splines
Output = 16 splines

Of course, I'm trusting the internet, which could be a mistake...

LandonL · 08-01-2010, 11:17 PM

I'm thinking the internet's wrong, the tail doesn't match up the numbers. I even went out to the shop to check. Also, the truck's at the paint shop and I swear I remember seeing SM318 on the SPID sheet, but can't be 100% sure... Trucks at the shop right now and I never took a picture of the SPID..

If I do end up rebuilding the damn thing, will it still sound like a meat grinder??

08-01-2010, 03:24 PM	#1
LandonL Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 440	Is it a Saginaw or muncie? This was sitting behind an inline 250. The truck it came out of was the bare stock no optioned truck of 67. Im leaning towards saginaw, but would like reassurance before I buy a rebuild kit.. 4 bolt side cover, it's a 3 spd. Pics: __________________ ---\| 1967 GMC Stepside \|-- 250 L6 .030 over ---\| 1985 Porsche 944/1 \|--- Build Thread: '67 GMC http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=378640 Last edited by LandonL; 08-01-2010 at 11:35 PM.

08-01-2010, 03:54 PM	#2
travlinman Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: stockton ca. Posts: 502	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? i believe the saginaw were 7 bolt and muncie were 9 bolt but not 100%. someone else will for sure know. __________________ 94 ls swap silverado 65 Pontiac 78 c30 crew cab dually (parted and gone) 82 c30 crew cab dually ( now building ) 91 r30 crew cab dually (parted and gone) 69 swb-sold 71 lab sold all in progress......__ ..........._______ \|__\__ ..........\|__(O)______(O)] ........................

08-01-2010, 04:11 PM	#3
Livrat Member #1049 Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Troy Montana Posts: 3,940	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? It is not a Saginaw.. that is the factory GM trans (last used in 67, not sure if it was called a Muncie or not) Heres a link to a Saginaw pic http://chevellecd.net/66cd/etr/trans.../hd3-speed.jpg

08-01-2010, 04:22 PM	#4
LandonL Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 440	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? Oh, well I was completely wrong then. Do these normally sound like a meat grinder in second? Anyway, where can I get a rebuild kit for it. __________________ ---\| 1967 GMC Stepside \|-- 250 L6 .030 over ---\| 1985 Porsche 944/1 \|--- Build Thread: '67 GMC http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=378640

08-01-2010, 05:04 PM	#5
mbgmike Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pasadena,Tx /Pto Pta DR Posts: 5,415	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? I think they are called the V4S

08-01-2010, 05:18 PM	#6
LandonL Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 440	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? Know where I can find a manual or any information on it? Looking for a rebuild kit also. __________________ ---\| 1967 GMC Stepside \|-- 250 L6 .030 over ---\| 1985 Porsche 944/1 \|--- Build Thread: '67 GMC http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=378640

08-01-2010, 05:20 PM	#7
basemodel67 Factory Strippers Rule! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shingle Springs, CA Posts: 707	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? Nope, not a Muncie or a Saginaw. I think it is called a POS! That is a dinky gearbox. Kinda reminds me of those old boxes behind flatheads. I don't think it would hold up to much power. __________________ "Feast your eyes on a feast of smoke." 67 Chevy Short Fleet PLAN: LQ9, 4L60, D60 Looking for School Bus Gauges - Help me out!

08-01-2010, 05:28 PM	#8
LandonL Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 440	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? It may be a POS but its going back in the truck, I don't have the funds to upgrade trans's atm. __________________ ---\| 1967 GMC Stepside \|-- 250 L6 .030 over ---\| 1985 Porsche 944/1 \|--- Build Thread: '67 GMC http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=378640

08-01-2010, 05:36 PM	#9
c1069 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: McFarland CA Posts: 1,392	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? I found this link, I hope you find the information you're looking for

08-01-2010, 05:37 PM	#10
LandonL Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 440	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? I think it's a GM-V4S-01-01TR-90 The case number matches up to the one listed on this page http://mmerlinn.com/catalog/papercli...s/gmv4s010.htm Now where in the hell am I gonna find a kit to rebuild it lol __________________ ---\| 1967 GMC Stepside \|-- 250 L6 .030 over ---\| 1985 Porsche 944/1 \|--- Build Thread: '67 GMC http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=378640

08-01-2010, 05:49 PM	#12
LandonL Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 440	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? Im looking for an entire kit, I might give that guy a call. __________________ ---\| 1967 GMC Stepside \|-- 250 L6 .030 over ---\| 1985 Porsche 944/1 \|--- Build Thread: '67 GMC http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=378640

08-01-2010, 07:41 PM	#13
mr.chevy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Spanish Fork, Utah Posts: 209	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? Never seen a trans that looked like that before. Does it cost more to rebuild than its worth?

08-01-2010, 07:46 PM	#14
mr.chevy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Spanish Fork, Utah Posts: 209	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? Ya know i bought a new process 833 3speed with an overdrive for like 100 bucks and its proving to be an easy conversion except i need a new drive shaft well shorter. i am only saying its an option. Attached Images Last edited by mr.chevy; 08-01-2010 at 07:48 PM.

08-01-2010, 08:55 PM	#15
LandonL Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 440	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? It's got the three on the tree setup, and switching to an automatic= $$ and a hole cut in the floor. Are there any 3spd manuals that bolt up to the existing three on the tree setup? If I did decide to go the 200R4 direction what ALL will I need, I do think the radiator has line hookups for cooling. __________________ ---\| 1967 GMC Stepside \|-- 250 L6 .030 over ---\| 1985 Porsche 944/1 \|--- Build Thread: '67 GMC http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=378640

08-01-2010, 09:20 PM	#16
72lb4x4 Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: DFW Posts: 1,427	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? Got any pics of the removable lower part of the bellhousing? Maybe a casting number? Last edited by 72lb4x4; 08-01-2010 at 09:20 PM.



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08-01-2010, 09:48 PM	#17
LandonL Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 440	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? I don't have any pics of the bottom. __________________ ---\| 1967 GMC Stepside \|-- 250 L6 .030 over ---\| 1985 Porsche 944/1 \|--- Build Thread: '67 GMC http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=378640

08-01-2010, 10:19 PM	#18
dwcsr Hollister Road Co. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 6,131	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? Its a Muncie SM318. Kits are still available for them. You won't find syncro rings and the sliders are hard to come by. You can find low reverse gears and reverse idlers on ebay but they are a bit pricey. Try http://www.mackstrans.com/ for the kit. I get kits from them and they have reasonable prices. The bearing kits are almost all the same, its the gears that can very greatly so you need to know what year and model it came out of.

08-01-2010, 10:47 PM	#20
LandonL Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 440	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? How can I be sure it's a Muncie SM318? __________________ ---\| 1967 GMC Stepside \|-- 250 L6 .030 over ---\| 1985 Porsche 944/1 \|--- Build Thread: '67 GMC http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=378640

08-01-2010, 10:48 PM	#21
dwcsr Hollister Road Co. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 6,131	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? It may have been in some cars but its the same transmission that was in the 55-66 or 7 Chevy 1/2 tons. Cars had a rear support cast into the tail shaft

08-01-2010, 11:00 PM	#23
LandonL Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 440	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? How can I be sure it's a Muncie SM318? __________________ ---\| 1967 GMC Stepside \|-- 250 L6 .030 over ---\| 1985 Porsche 944/1 \|--- Build Thread: '67 GMC http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=378640

08-01-2010, 11:00 PM	#24
72lb4x4 Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: DFW Posts: 1,427	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? No sense arguing when the case number 3830210 is in the pic: http://mmerlinn.com/catalog/papercli...s/gmv4s010.htm GM-V4S-01-01TR-90 Bell = 3765710, Chevy Case = 3830210 Tail = 3844357 Bearing Retainer = 3741468 Input = 10 splines Output = 16 splines Of course, I'm trusting the internet, which could be a mistake... Last edited by 72lb4x4; 08-01-2010 at 11:02 PM.

08-01-2010, 11:17 PM	#25
LandonL Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 440	Re: Is it a Saginaw or muncie? I'm thinking the internet's wrong, the tail doesn't match up the numbers. I even went out to the shop to check. Also, the truck's at the paint shop and I swear I remember seeing SM318 on the SPID sheet, but can't be 100% sure... Trucks at the shop right now and I never took a picture of the SPID.. If I do end up rebuilding the damn thing, will it still sound like a meat grinder?? __________________ ---\| 1967 GMC Stepside \|-- 250 L6 .030 over ---\| 1985 Porsche 944/1 \|--- Build Thread: '67 GMC http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=378640

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