Just about had enough

[jdheff1982]

This POS of a truck I own is really pissing me off! Today is the first cool day (55 to 60 degrees tops) I have tried starting the truck. I ended up draining the flippin battery trying to start it. The f'in carb does not have a functional choke, so it stays open all the time. I can never tell how many times I need to pump the gas to ensure the engine can start. And when the battery does get low, the f'in starter wants to **** all over the flywheel.

I like this truck, I really do. But why do I end up with **** like this? The truck is dead until I can get the battery to AZ and get it recharged. I really wish I knew some people that were knowledgeable about this stuff that were close by that would be willing to help me fix things. All I have to rely on is a Haynes book and these forums.

[Goldfinger]

manually engage the choke. starter fluid can help

[rwhit57]

Ok a properly tuned motor should only require a choke in real cold weather. Sounds like it has some issues, but if it runs fine and doesn't knock, smoke, or leak it's all minor stuff. Most people try to pump the gas and crank at the same time, this usually is wrong. One or two pumps, then hit the key, if it doesn't fire up, repeat. If you are having to crank on it till the battery goes dead, you've got some tuning issues that need attention. I know it can be frustrating, but it can be fixed.

[cjlinkster]

Hang in there!

Perhaps you could find some other truck enthusiast in your area that could help you out. If all else fails post something on Craigslist; JUST BE SURE TO CHECK THE PERSON OUT BEFORE YOU GIVE THEM YOUR HOME ADDRESS. There's just too many freak out there.

I spent half a day one day last week rebuilding my carb and getting the choke to work. Fix it correctly once and put this issue behind you.

[jdheff1982]

Originally Posted by rwhit57

Ok a properly tuned motor should only require a choke in real cold weather. Sounds like it has some issues, but if it runs fine and doesn't knock, smoke, or leak it's all minor stuff. Most people try to pump the gas and crank at the same time, this usually is wrong. One or two pumps, then hit the key, if it doesn't fire up, repeat. If you are having to crank on it till the battery goes dead, you've got some tuning issues that need attention. I know it can be frustrating, but it can be fixed.

It runs pretty solid. When cruising, it misfires quite often. I did replace the plugs about a month ago. Next week, my uncle is gonna help me time the truck. I am hoping the timing is off so some of my issues get resolved.

I'm getting a manual choke cable tomorrow. Can I get away with the fast idle cam unhooked until I get linkage kit or new carb?

[b454rat]

Don't even need the choke. I've had MANY vehicles that never had the choke hooked up and never had one not start. I live in the northeast, so it gets plenty cold, like below zero cold. Two maybe three pumps and it's running. Now I'll say this, it will start, but won't stay running until it is warmed up. I'd say you have other issues.

[tucsonjwt]

Spend $12 on a manual choke kit -easy install and solves all choke problems.
I find that even in AZ on hot days a choke is needed for cold start up, then you can open the choke immediately.

[VegasBruce]

Originally Posted by rwhit57

Ok a properly tuned motor should only require a choke in real cold weather. Sounds like it has some issues, but if it runs fine and doesn't knock, smoke, or leak it's all minor stuff. Most people try to pump the gas and crank at the same time, this usually is wrong. One or two pumps, then hit the key, if it doesn't fire up, repeat. If you are having to crank on it till the battery goes dead, you've got some tuning issues that need attention. I know it can be frustrating, but it can be fixed.

That is how I start mine. When I bought my stepside the choke wasn't hooked up, I've been meaning to do it. I just haven't had a chance. However I've swapped the engine 4 times in the last 27 years.

[turbostang7]

in that warm of weather you don't even need a choke! i have had many carbed vehicles in idaho and they started without a choke in temps down to 30's. sounds like if its missfirreing often at cruise that your timing is off. does it crank funny or smooth?
when it tries to fire does it kinda skip?
can you smell fuel while cranking?

really sounds like your issue is timing and a little carb tuning
i haven't noticed where are you from?

[bigwheel15]

Invest in a battery charger and it sounds like after timing is reset and you fine tune everytrhing you should be gold.

[motornut]

Originally Posted by b454rat

Don't even need the choke. I've had MANY vehicles that never had the choke hooked up and never had one not start. I live in the northeast, so it gets plenty cold, like below zero cold. Two maybe three pumps and it's running. Now I'll say this, it will start, but won't stay running until it is warmed up. I'd say you have other issues.

many cars before this .....pump two maybe three
wait for it to catch...and spit..maybe a stall
and my foots the choke till it's warm.....@-40C

don't pump.....pour gas in the carb.you will know its in

[67_SS396]

What's your location? I bet there are some members not too far that are willing to help. If you're anywhere close to me, I'd me more than willing to assist. It sounds like a little more tweaking to get it right.
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[b454rat]

Exactly where I was, Ottawa. I remember a couple times where it was -40, and two pumps maybe three, my 78 Malibu with a 200k 400 would start right up. It wouldn't idle, but would start. Once you get it running, if it stalls it will be easier to start.

I would try one pump when the truck has been sitting or if it's cold. Crank for a couple seconds, if it doesn't start, try to pumps. In less your accelerator pump isn't working, you should get something....

Like the others mentioned, get at least a trickle charger, check the timing and make sure everything is up to snuff.

[tucsonjwt]

My big block will start without using the choke, but will require pumping some gas into the carb. By closing the choke first, I do not have to give it any gas at all, unless the truck has been sitting for a few days without running.

[sumran]

Remember, they don't need to be truck people. None of the riddles you are trying to solve are unique to trucks. Go to a car show or swap meet in the area. That is where you will find them.

[jdheff1982]

I appreciate everyone's support. I have updated my location to reflect where I live.

I plan to check the timing today once the battery gets recharged. Plus swap the alt for one that isn't dumping AC into the battery, and install a choke cable.

Thanks again.

[jdheff1982]

**** this piece of ****! I get the battery recharged, the alternator replaced (again) and all I get is 1 click from the starter solenoid. It won't even attempt to crank at this point. I am really ****ing pissed off. All I have been doing for the last 2 months is replacing ****ing starters. Now the truck is on the street and it will be a ***** to replace like the last 4 or 5 times.

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[irishman999]

How do the battery cables look? Check your grounds to the body and frame.

[jdheff1982]

Originally Posted by irishman999

How do the battery cables look? Check your grounds to the body and frame.

They are all new. I don't have a cable running from engine to frame.
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[tucsonjwt]

You don't want to hear this, but what you have is likely a simple problem.
Is your battery holding a charge? Try jump starting the battery you have or put it on a small battery charger if you have one. Once you have it started, take it back to AZ and ask them to do a free check on the charging system.
If you still have trouble getting the engine to crank over, have the starter checked.
But first, take off the battery cables, make sure the battery posts and cable ends are clean and tight on both ends of the cable. Also, check the connections at the starter, but do NOT over tighten the connections at the starter or solenoid. I have installed parts before finger tight and forgotten to go back and use a wrench to finish the job - got distracted or whatever.
Once you solve the no start electrical problem the manual choke will fix all choke issues.
If none of this works you can check to see if you have current to the solenoid when the ignition key is turned to the start position.

[jdheff1982]

Originally Posted by tucsonjwt

You don't want to hear this, but what you have is likely a simple problem.
Is your battery holding a charge? Try jump starting the battery you have or put it on a small battery charger if you have one. Once you have it started, take it back to AZ and ask them to do a free check on the charging system.
If you still have trouble getting the engine to crank over, have the starter checked.
But first, take off the battery cables, make sure the battery posts and cable ends are clean and tight on both ends of the cable. Also, check the connections at the starter, but do NOT over tighten the connections at the starter or solenoid. I have installed parts before finger tight and forgotten to go back and use a wrench to finish the job - got distracted or whatever.
Once you solve the no start electrical problem the manual choke will fix all choke issues.
If none of this works you can check to see if you have current to the solenoid when the ignition key is turned to the start position.

The charging system is working and the battery is good per az. It's the starter. Always is. I have owned the truck for a month and have to replace the starter going on 4 times now. Before, it was the headers cooking the starters, I bought a heat shield since then. The current starter prolly died from the extensive cramming the other day. But still, changing starters is a pia. I hate it cause, i can pull it fine, but installing it is exhausting. Lack of room for me.
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[rwhit57]

4 starters in a month is ludicrous. I replaced my starter 4 years ago still works fine. There is something else going on with your truck. I find it hard to believe that you've bought 4 bad starters. Where is your ground from the battery going to? What about your starter wires? Are they in bad shape? You have a lot of little issues that are eating your lunch. Don't get mad that doesn't fix the truck. Is there anyone around Wichita that can give this guy a hand. I'm in Tulsa or I would help you in a heartbeat.

[tucsonjwt]

Headers do throw another element into the equation. On my big blocks, the heat shields did not work. Maybe you are frying the solenoid and not the starter. If you can jump the starter with a screwdriver then maybe it is just the solenoid. (Caution: I think that jumping method is not advisable, but it is used/has been used by old time mechanics - many of whom have since passed away or are now called "lefty." If it is the solenoid, then I say a remote solenoid is in order - but I hope that suggestion does not set off another giant heat soak thread.

[jdheff1982]

Originally Posted by rwhit57

4 starters in a month is ludicrous. I replaced my starter 4 years ago still works fine. There is something else going on with your truck. I find it hard to believe that you've bought 4 bad starters. Where is your ground from the battery going to? What about your starter wires? Are they in bad shape? You have a lot of little issues that are eating your lunch. Don't get mad that doesn't fix the truck. Is there anyone around Wichita that can give this guy a hand. I'm in Tulsa or I would help you in a heartbeat.

All wires going to and from battery, starter, and alt are in good shape. The only ground I have is from battery to alt bracket. I true ps pump bracket to frame without any change.
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[VegasBruce]

Originally Posted by tucsonjwt

Headers do throw another element into the equation. On my big blocks, the heat shields did not work. Maybe you are frying the solenoid and not the starter. If you can jump the starter with a screwdriver then maybe it is just the solenoid. (Caution: I think that jumping method is not advisable, but it is used/has been used by old time mechanics - many of whom have since passed away or are now called "lefty." If it is the solenoid, then I say a remote solenoid is in order - but I hope that suggestion does not set off another giant heat soak thread.

I know there a those that say the remote solenoid is not necessary, however in most cases they work. A dragging starter is a surefire way to kill it, it also can break the nose cone. An auxiliary solenoid along with a GOOD set of cables should take care of the starter problems. This is presuming the flywheel gear is good and the starter lined up properly. OK I'll get my popcorn now.