72 Cheyenne Questions

[Graham57a]

I am looking at a truck to buy. The owner is claiming that it is an all original 72 cheynne (not super). The truck has complete upper and lower trim, deluxe side markers, but it does not have full wheel covers. Here are some pics of the truck, let me know if anything seems weird to you guys. The owner also said it doesn't have wood grain door panel inserts which I know is standard on Cheyenne trucks. Could it possibly be a custom deluxe?

[SCHRUMGMC]

Whats the VIN Number ?


I can get it Decoded on this site that I know of

[Graham57a]

Originally Posted by SCHRUMGMC

Whats the VIN Number ?


I can get it Decoded on this site

Idk the vin, just curious if full wheel covers were part of the Cheyenne package
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[SCHRUMGMC]

I think it maybe what that Owner is saying it is, I looked it up and it looks similiar

[jocko]

vin will not help you determine trim level (custom D vs cheyenne, etc). What you have listed all leads to Cheyenne. Full wheel covers were an additional RPO for a Cheyenne (i.e. not part of the package) - the smaller bright hub caps were standard on a Cheyenne. (i.e. RPO PO3).

I would simply ask the seller if it has a Z84 "Cheyenne Equipment" RPO on the SPID in the glovebox. But from what you've mentioned so far - all sounds correct for Cheyenne - wood lower trim (upper is not part of cheyenne pkg - but is usually added on it seems by they original buyer), wood door panels. It should have a black instr cluster bezel and body painted color glovebox. Nice lookin old truck! Btw, the hub caps on it are not po3's, they are later model hub caps. But full wheel covers were not required in a cheyenne package.

[Graham57a]

Originally Posted by jocko

vin will not help you determine trim level (custom D vs cheyenne, etc). What you have listed all leads to Cheyenne. Full wheel covers were an additional RPO for a Cheyenne (i.e. not part of the package) - the smaller bright hub caps were standard on a Cheyenne. (i.e. RPO PO3).

I would simply ask the seller if it has a Z84 "Cheyenne Equipment" RPO on the SPID in the glovebox. But from what you've mentioned so far - all sounds correct for Cheyenne - wood lower trim (upper is not part of cheyenne pkg - but is usually added on it seems by they original buyer), wood door panels. It should have a black instr cluster bezel and body painted color glovebox. Nice lookin old truck! Btw, the hub caps on it are not po3's, they are later model hub caps. But full wheel covers were not required in a cheyenne package.

Thank you very much. I found some sales brochures that states the options that came on trucks in 72 and it lists chrome wheel covers on cheyenne super but not cheyenne. I'm going to look at it tomorrow so I'll keep you guys posted.

[jocko]

actually, they were not standard on the supers either - the sales lit says "chrome hub caps" even on the Super (which would be PO3, shown in the first pic below) - which are not full wheel covers (shown in 2nd pic). The chrome hub caps (or full wheel covers) would have to have been ordered separately on either of the 2 top trim lines.

As far as a Cheyenne, if the truck you are looking at originally had full wheel covers, orig buyer would have ordered RPO PO1 (top row center). If it had chrome hub caps, orig buyer would have ordered PO3 (lower row, far left). If the orig buyer did nothing, he would have gotten the lower row, right, basic ub cap.

However, most folks opting for a cushy cheyenne or cheyenne super usually checked PO1 or PO3 to get some sort of shiny wheel thing goin.

Classic Bowties awesome reference pic surfaces again!

[SCHRUMGMC]

Sounds good. How much is the guy wanting for it like $10,000 ?

[Graham57a]

Originally Posted by jocko

actually, they were not standard on the supers either - the sales lit says "chrome hub caps" even on the Super (which would be PO3, shown in the first pic below) - which are not full wheel covers (shown in 2nd pic). The chrome hub caps (or full wheel covers) would have to have been ordered separately on either of the 2 top trim lines.

As far as a Cheyenne, if the truck you are looking at originally had full wheel covers, orig buyer would have ordered RPO PO1 (top row center). If it had chrome hub caps, orig buyer would have ordered PO3 (lower row, far left). If the orig buyer did nothing, he would have gotten the lower row, right, basic ub cap.

However, most folks opting for a cushy cheyenne or cheyenne super usually checked PO1 or PO3 to get some sort of shiny wheel thing goin.

Classic Bowties awesome reference pic surfaces again!

Thank you for the help. I'll probably run full wheel covers if I get the truck
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[Graham57a]

Originally Posted by SCHRUMGMC

Sounds good. How much is the guy wanting for it like $10,000 ?

He's asking 8 but said he just threw that number out there and mainly wants it to go to a good home
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[WIDESIDE72]

Hub caps get changed over the course of 40+ years. All trucks from custom all the way up to supers could be optioned with full hub caps. One of the give aways as to whether a truck is a Cheyenne or not is if it has the headliner and trim. (alrhough even this can be copied, but takes some effort and if the headliner is removed you can tell the cut trim from the facory stamped trim. The Cheyenne cab will have slots stamped into the roof that other trucks do not. Also, Cheyennes came with seals between the cowl and fender. You can see this seal from inside when the door is opened. BTW, The seals are being made repro but not the brackets. I also look at the Spid label. I use all of these items when inspecting a truck to see if it's a real Cheyenne, not just one thing.
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[jocko]

heyyyy, whadday know!! (not mine) http://www.ebay.com/itm/67-68-69-70-...sories&vxp=mtr

[jocko]

heyyyy, whadday know!! (not mine) http://www.ebay.com/itm/67-68-69-70-...sories&vxp=mtr

I actually prefer the PO3's to the PO1's, but you can't go wrong, either looks great.

[Graham57a]

Originally Posted by WIDESIDE72

Hub caps get changed over the course of 40+ years. All trucks from custom all the way up to supers could be optioned with full hub caps. One of the give aways as to whether a truck is a Cheyenne or not is if it has the headliner and trim. (alrhough even this can be copied, but takes some effort and if the headliner is removed you can tell the cut trim from the facory stamped trim. The Cheyenne cab will have slots stamped into the roof that other trucks do not. Also, Cheyennes came with seals between the cowl and fender. You can see this seal from inside when the door is opened. BTW, The seals are being made repro but not the brackets. I also look at the Spid label. I use all of these items when inspecting a truck to see if it's a real Cheyenne, not just one thing.
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Thank you for the tips. The first thing I was going to do was go for the glovebox door. I'll keep this thread up to date. I'm going to check it out tomorrow morning

[SS Tim]

From the provided pictures it appears to be a Cheyenne as other posters have confirmed. But of course a SPID will tell us a lot. The build sheet would be a great cross check but it probably is not there. Please be sure to check the VIN plate rivets for alteration. Last thing I see is that the truck has the D99 molding that will only be found on factory Two-Tone trucks. The current color could be correct but it was apparently a Two-Tone and that would be on the SPID.

Here are links to a '72 chart and paint codes.

http://www.tcpglobal.com/aclchip.asp...truck-pg01.jpg

http://www.tcpglobal.com/aclchip.asp...truck-pg02.jpg

[stsalvage]

I have a 1971 Cheyenne and mine was mostly factory. But No wood trim that only Came on the Super Cheyenne But GMC trucks some of there low end modals had the wood trim the Deluxe I don't think they mixed the Deluxe with the Cheyenne name.Thats like 1969 Z28 with the RS along with it or SS with RS trimming.they just did not do that sertan packages for. sertan Names

I have a Black on black on truck with all the chrome and rear slider and AC power steering power brakes and leaf spring and No wood bed.1971-72 it was a special Option to get the wood.Most people wanted Steel floors

Trust me If you have any time in there trucks like i do the wood bed is nice But a metal bed is just a little nicer.

One thing on a wood bed you have a lot of problem hold a ground for the rear tail lights and back up lights if you work that truck like i did in my 1965 3/4 ton 22 years in the scrap and salvage business.I own 9 of these trucks plus 2 3 door suburbans or better known as Carryall's.

So fare the only thing you need to look for is Cancer in the floor the cab and down by the rockers and on the bottom of the cab.In to days times you can build what ever truck you want from a GMC Deluxe to a Super Cheyenne..Most of the people that get these trucks alter them anyways.

trucks are not like Camaro's or Fastback mustang number matching trucks are not that big of deal yes the trucks are worth 5000 to 15,000 but they will never be up into the 50,000 just to many of them

there are not any real big ticket items that came on trucks that make them stand out.

now the 1957 Cameo with the fiber glass short bed Them are very hard to fine with the big window now them are worth 50,000 only because of the bed and big window.

There is only 5% of the people in here that will keep a truck totally stock from the factory.


You will want to put a alum intake a better carburetor and if you want gas mileage you will put a gear vender in or a 700R4.So for what ever the guy is selling the truck for.best off to look out for the Cancer go look at it again buy your sell a creeper and roll under it to see if the floor is rusted out.I've bought over 21 of these trucks and i always look at the cancer first

I don't care about the options 200 hours of body work if your cab is in need of massive work bed you want a straight truck with as little cancer as possible.If you own your own body shop and like doing that kinda thing fine Plenty of guys in here Love doing body work.

But buy one that needs as little work as possible.Drive it for 1 year if you think your going to keep it drive it for 1 year don't change a thing.if you really like the truck after 1 year of putting over 37,000 on it then you will follow throw with your truck.

Most guys that get these trucks get them and never drove the truck tore it down started doing Mods on and they just got over there head.

To do mods on one of these trucks most of them will cost you 6000.00 for the beginning then the sky is the limit

[Graham57a]

Originally Posted by stsalvage

now the 1957 Cameo with the fiber glass short bed Them are very hard to fine with the big window now them are worth 50,000 only because of the bed and big window.

Thanks for the help stsalvage, I know first hand that cancer is definitely a factor when buying a truck. And about the cameo, I have a couple laying around if you're interested

[Graham57a]

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[Ol Blue K20]

The spid says Cheyenne, gues it's real and not a two tone either

[Graham57a]

Originally Posted by SS Tim

From the provided pictures it appears to be a Cheyenne as other posters have confirmed. But of course a SPID will tell us a lot. The build sheet would be a great cross check but it probably is not there. Please be sure to check the VIN plate rivets for alteration. Last thing I see is that the truck has the D99 molding that will only be found on factory Two-Tone trucks. The current color could be correct but it was apparently a Two-Tone and that would be on the SPID.

Here are links to a '72 chart and paint codes.

http://www.tcpglobal.com/aclchip.asp...truck-pg01.jpg

http://www.tcpglobal.com/aclchip.asp...truck-pg02.jpg

I looked under the seat and didn't see a build sheet. The vin plate rivets were un altered and it matches the glovebox vin number. Everything appears to back up the fact that its a Cheyenne but I don't understand the trim dilemma
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[Graham57a]

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[SS Tim]

Nice looking truck. The trim is an interesting question. The D99 option (two-tone paint) triggers the cab seperation molding. Most of the time the only place you see it listed is on a build sheet. However I have seen it on Canadian SPIDS. For your truck to have this and solid paint there are several possible answers. A misbuild is probably the most likely in this case. It could have been added to the original cab. The cab may have been replaced. Overall the truck looks good and I wouldn't sweat it but I am curious. If you pull the trim off it would interesting to see how the clips are retained. If you are convinced the plate/rivets are original on the door post it is probably a misbuild. If you decide to utilize the trim and paint the roof, 521 White or 510 Med. Blue would be correct colors to use.

[jocko]

for what it's worth - the d99 trim on this truck seems to be mounted at a bit of an angle at the ends, i.e. the tips seem to angle down a bit when it should be level. But then again, I didn't even notice the trim at all the first time I looked at it.

Tim, I'm curious the 2-tone paint combo on the SPID you posted? What colors? OR, is D99 perhaps just an indication of the trim addition on a single color truck (i.e. I've never seen it listed on a two-tone truck - that's what I'm getting at - assumed it was part of any two-tone paint ordered from the factory). I agree, the trim piece presence is interesting. I'm putting my money on a PO add-on for whatever reason.

Graham - I think it's a good looking and now, as confirmed, very legit truck. Note that it does have the upgraded super seat cover in it - very worn, but a houndstooth seat cover nonetheless. Per your SPID (and as would be normal for a Cheyenne), this truck would have come with the Cheyenne's blue vinyl seat. I noticed the carpet was missing also, so some interior work has been done and that's perfectly normal for a truck like this. Good luck, I hope you get it. Better bid on those hubcaps quick - they're the correct ones for this truck!!

[Graham57a]

Originally Posted by jocko

for what it's worth - the d99 trim on this truck seems to be mounted at a bit of an angle at the ends, i.e. the tips seem to angle down a bit when it should be level. But then again, I didn't even notice the trim at all the first time I looked at it.

Tim, I'm curious the 2-tone paint combo on the SPID you posted? What colors? OR, is D99 perhaps just an indication of the trim addition on a single color truck (i.e. I've never seen it listed on a two-tone truck - that's what I'm getting at - assumed it was part of any two-tone paint ordered from the factory). I agree, the trim piece presence is interesting. I'm putting my money on a PO add-on for whatever reason.

Graham - I think it's a good looking and now, as confirmed, very legit truck. Note that it does have the upgraded super seat cover in it - very worn, but a houndstooth seat cover nonetheless. Per your SPID (and as would be normal for a Cheyenne), this truck would have come with the Cheyenne's blue vinyl seat. I noticed the carpet was missing also, so some interior work has been done and that's perfectly normal for a truck like this. Good luck, I hope you get it. Better bid on those hubcaps quick - they're the correct ones for this truck!!

Thanks jocko. I'm going back over tomorrow to try and work something out with the guy. And I already have a set of wheel covers set aside in case I get it
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