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Old 09-17-2013, 03:16 PM   #1
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Sign/badge on dashboard 3104 TF 1957

I have this sign/badge on my dash, close to the glovebox in my -57 1/2ton pickup.
I wonder if it means that its a former armytruck, or why does it say "U.S.Property" on it.

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Old 09-17-2013, 03:23 PM   #2
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Re: Sign/badge on dashboard 3104 TF 1957

Start looking for original paint. OD is probably Army. Dark blue Air Force. If its a crew cab was probably used for aircraft crews on the flight line.
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:52 PM   #3
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Dark blue it is, but no crew cab...heres a pic of the truck
http://m1313.photobucket.com/albumvi....jpg.html?o=49
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Mine was a "Department of Navy" truck and had this attached to the fire wall.
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^ very cool
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:05 PM   #6
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my understanding is... if it was military; ie navy, army, air force it did not have a vin. instead it had a serial number.
federal civilian duty; ie forest service, area 51, federal motor pool vehicles and such had vin numbers. many federal vehicles were turquoise in color.
many military vehicles ended up in federal civilian duty like forestry service.
look under the hood. it should have daily maintenance schedule stenciled under the hood.
if it has a vin (vehicle identification number) tag on the drivers door jam look at the lmc truck vin decoder (no ring necessary)
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Old 09-18-2013, 12:50 AM   #7
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my understanding is... if it was military; ie navy, army, air force it did not have a vin. instead it had a serial number.
federal civilian duty; ie forest service, area 51, federal motor pool vehicles and such had vin numbers. many federal vehicles were turquoise in color.
many military vehicles ended up in federal civilian duty like forestry service.
look under the hood. it should have daily maintenance schedule stenciled under the hood.
if it has a vin (vehicle identification number) tag on the drivers door jam look at the lmc truck vin decoder (no ring necessary)
Thanks, I'll take a look at the vinplate later today!

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Mine was a "Department of Navy" truck and had this attached to the fire wall.
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Looks really nice with the brass! Pun intended...

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Re: Sign/badge on dashboard 3104 TF 1957

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I have this sign/badge on my dash, close to the glovebox in my -57 1/2ton pickup.
I wonder if it means that its a former armytruck, or why does it say "U.S.Property" on it.

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Looks AF blue to me (and I should know after 26 years). The tag could be any gov't agency. The Fed Stock Number *should* tell you which agency ordered it.
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Old 09-18-2013, 02:29 AM   #11
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"Bierkan" (The Fed Stock Number *should* tell you which agency ordered it.)


How do I know which agency?
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Re: Sign/badge on dashboard 3104 TF 1957

Google the FSN and see if it show's a description. IE: Air Force blue. We had some parts for the F-16 that we could order in either Grey (avionics bay) or black (helicopter use) at one time. The NSN's (what that number is now called) were different for the exterior color of the box.

It *may* shed some light. It may not. Google may come back with a result.

If not, let me know the number and I'll see if my full time buds at the guard can look it up.
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Re: Sign/badge on dashboard 3104 TF 1957

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my understanding is... if it was military; ie navy, army, air force it did not have a vin. instead it had a serial number. federal civilian duty; ie forest service, area 51, federal motor pool vehicles and such had vin numbers.
The area 51 vehicles are tricky to spot due to the optional cloaking device.
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The area 51 vehicles are tricky to spot due to the optional cloaking device.
i was wondering what warped individual would catch the area 51 reference
never happened
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post the first half of your vin up here ferrofil
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Heres the FSN:
2320-520-8372 G764
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3A57L-110831
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i was wondering what warped individual would catch the area 51 reference
never happened
The swede claims that he did!
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i was wondering what warped individual would catch the area 51 reference
I only spotted it because the NSA computer flagged it.

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Heres the the tag thats on the DS doorpillar:

http://m1313.photobucket.com/albumvi...7.jpg.html?o=0
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The only thing it says is that the trim is: spec
The paint: spec
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Re: Sign/badge on dashboard 3104 TF 1957

The trim tag shows special order paint. The VIN plate, if it's there, is on the forward portion of the door frame toward the top.

So far, the first four digits are nothing special. 2320 indicates the truck was in the motor vehicles, trucks, and trailers group and was classed as trucks and truck tractors, wheeled.

Edit: A post by a gentleman with another 3100 with similar FSN: http://www.stovebolt.com/ubbthreads/...=677648&page=1

Hmmm... more progress, maybe:
http://www.dlis.dla.mil/webflis/pub/pub_search.aspx
"Item cancelled without replacement"

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Re: Sign/badge on dashboard 3104 TF 1957

Nice blue paint but it doesn't look that old. Is there a different color or shade under the hood or in spots that didn't get resprayed?

Was it in Europe when you bought it or did you buy it and have it shipped in? If it was already there and since it looks to be in great shape it may have belonged to the maintenance department at a US facility over there. Over here it could have belonged to the forest service, BLM or it could have been used at one of the dams or hydro power facilities or other govt facility. Nice truck and the tag adds a bit of history to it. It would be interesting to know it's history though.
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my understanding is... if it was military; ie navy, army, air force it did not have a vin. instead it had a serial number.
federal civilian duty; ie forest service, area 51, federal motor pool vehicles and such had vin numbers. many federal vehicles were turquoise in color.
many military vehicles ended up in federal civilian duty like forestry service.
look under the hood. it should have daily maintenance schedule stenciled under the hood.
if it has a vin (vehicle identification number) tag on the drivers door jam look at the lmc truck vin decoder (no ring necessary)
I looked under the hood, no sign of a maintinence scedule...and no vinplate on the door jam either only this trim/paint tag
So it seems that you are right about not having vin:s on milytary vehicles
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Nice blue paint but it doesn't look that old. Is there a different color or shade under the hood or in spots that didn't get resprayed?

Was it in Europe when you bought it or did you buy it and have it shipped in? If it was already there and since it looks to be in great shape it may have belonged to the maintenance department at a US facility over there. Over here it could have belonged to the forest service, BLM or it could have been used at one of the dams or hydro power facilities or other govt facility. Nice truck and the tag adds a bit of history to it. It would be interesting to know it's history though.
I have very little history on it, bought it here in sweden of a guy that only had it for a year...if I recall it right its been here (sweden) for about 5-6 years...engine and trans out of a chevy van from -89
Just as you noted, the paintjob is redone, but seems to be done in the same (or close enugh) as the original...flaking of inside the cab
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