1967 gmc VIN help

[too much stuff]

I should know this but the early gmc vins throw me sometimes. The state is giving me heck about getting a title for this and trying to up the value so i pay more tax on it... Go figure anyhow the issue is the zeros that have been on the title from 1974 or maybe since new...
Also, i am not seeing a number on top of the frame, would it be under the cab? I need it inspected and they may try to issue a reconstructed title.
First pic is how it shows on the title. Everything after the "PC" matches up.
The frame part number is under the drivers side.
The other pics would show it hasn't been altered that i can tell.
How do you convince someone who isn't into old vehicles this isn't "reconstructed"?
Thanks for any help.

[DeadheadNM]

I've read that some GMCs did not have the VIN stamped on the frame..I can check my 72

[mkmc69]

I know about the number on top of the frame rail, near the steering box area, but I'm not sure about a second location. Would they be different for a Chevy vs. a GMC?

[chewychevy67]

My 67 gmc has no partial vin #s on the frame either. Had it blasted and powdered and no other #s but the part #s on the side like yours. I believe gmc's didnt have them stamped till later in 68 from what i have heard from others.

[special-K]

This is not an issue with the truck, but an issue with the state who incorrectly titled it. Can't they see that? I have no idea why they added zeros that were never there. your motor vehicles people should flex their thinking a bit and realize you should not be held victim to the actions performed by a state regulator policy you had no part in. Many things were done differently 40+ year ago and many things have changed...Duh?? You bought that out of state, right? It may not be what you want to hear, but I think your best bet is transfer the title in that state, first, then come to your state with that valid title in "your" name. I have gotten around some DMVBS with that before. States are allowed to govern themselves, yet somehow they all have to cooperate with one another as states of the union. It's un-American not to. I've run into state to state issues and have managed to find ways around that...so far. Each situation is different

[bruceman1968]

TMS, When I was researching the GMC Vins for my Vin project I heard about this from GMC Paul. He told me that some 67 GMCs were titled off the last 7 of the VIN. So I put a footnote on my 67 GMC vin decoder(See below) to denote this(7 digit vins). You should contact GMC Paul and see what he can tell you, as he has seen it before. Sorry I don't have any documentation for you to prove it to your DMV. Ironic because your title, that you posted, proves it to me.
In 1967 the GMC vin was 14 digits. The sequence number started at 1001 and it did roll over(past 9999) so 15 digit Vins also exist. The first half of the vin is the model number and the last half is the plant, year, build sequence number, and GVW class. The build sequence number is unique to your truck(67 from Pontiac). The first part of your vin is not unique to your truck but the last part is. There was only 1 GMC truck built in 1967, at Pontiac, with your build sequence number. So P(for Pontiac assy plant) C(for 1967) and 1xxx is all that is needed to uniquely identify the truck. The last letter in your vin is the code for the GVW class and therefore not unique, but the PC1XXX is unique to your truck. Might help if the DMV knew that there is enough info in your 7 digit vin to uniquely identify your truck.

[too much stuff]

Chewy, good info. Thanks.

Tim, thanks for the info and advice. I hate to keep going round and round but the truck needs to be saved. The state also wants to determine a value on this truck so i can pay more tax. merry christmas to me!! Went through this BS on my 65 chrysler 300 L car also. Evidently they are considered "higher dollar collector vehicles"

Bruceman, thanks so much, that was the info i needed.

(truck in question below... now on hold!)

[factorystock]

Anybody notice the similarities?

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by bruceman1968

The sequence number started at 1001 and it did roll over(past 9999) so 15 digit Vins also exist. The first half of the vin is the model number and the last half is the plant, year, build sequence number, and GVW class. The build sequence number is unique to your truck(67 from Pontiac). The first part of your vin is not unique to your truck but the last part is. There was only 1 GMC truck built in 1967, at Pontiac, with your build sequence number. So P(for Pontiac assy plant) C(for 1967) and 1xxx is all that is needed to uniquely identify the truck.

This is how vintage Pontiacs were done as well (I'm thinking of 1964 model year in particular).

K

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by too much stuff

I should know this but the early gmc vins throw me sometimes. The state is giving me heck about getting a title for this and trying to up the value so i pay more tax on it... Go figure anyhow the issue is the zeros that have been on the title from 1974 or maybe since new...
Also, i am not seeing a number on top of the frame, would it be under the cab? I need it inspected and they may try to issue a reconstructed title.
First pic is how it shows on the title. Everything after the "PC" matches up.
The frame part number is under the drivers side.
The other pics would show it hasn't been altered that i can tell.
How do you convince someone who isn't into old vehicles this isn't "reconstructed"?
Thanks for any help.

Rosette rivets on the VIN tag are a good sign.

K

[Koffer]

I had an old military trailer that only had 4 digits for the s/n so the good old lady at the dmv just added some the 1st letters of the make the the 2 digits of the year to make ste66xxxx to get enough that the computer would accept it as a s/n .
I wouldn't put it past any dmv that what happened some time ago .
I learned May moons ago just fill up the boxes on the forms they give you , more more ,no less and be able to walk right out with all your paperwork .

[too much stuff]

Well, the truck passed the state inspector this am. (always fun to do in -10 degrees!) He passed everything as orginal but incomplete data on the original title. Heading the right way, but still have a ways to go... Will update as more happens...

[tcrist]

After reading up on this I decided to check my title.

Mine only has 12 digits instead of the 17 required to do a VIN check online.
So after finding more info for a 1970 GMC I checked my VIN and found out that my VIN says my truck is supposed to be a "WIDESIDE" (fleetside) but mine is a Fenderside.

I am going to have to see if I can get in touch with the orgionial owners family and see what's up.

I have all of the old paperwork from 1969 and on when it was bought new including the factory build sheet in about perfect condition. It is in this shape because they took it and placed it in the "NEW TRUCK" dealer folder and preserved it. It says nothing about it being "special ordered" with a fenderside bed though.

As this was a farm truck maybe they damaged the fleetside bed and replaced it with a fenderside one. But with everything that they kept one would have thought there would have been some note on that somewhere.

Time for some investigation.

Sorry, did not mean to steal your thread. Hope you get the registration worked out.

[bruceman1968]

Originally Posted by too much stuff

Well, the truck passed the state inspector this am. (always fun to do in -10 degrees!) He passed everything as orginal but incomplete data on the original title. Heading the right way, but still have a ways to go... Will update as more happens...

Good to hear so far, thanks for keeping us updated.

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by tcrist

I have all of the old paperwork from 1969 and on when it was bought new including the factory build sheet in about perfect condition. It is in this shape because they took it and placed it in the "NEW TRUCK" dealer folder and preserved it. It says nothing about it being "special ordered" with a fenderside bed though.

Does the build sheet show

RPO E62 = Stepside

or

RPO E63 = Fleetside ("PUBX - Fleet")

?

K

[tcrist]

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore

Does the build sheet show

RPO E62 = Stepside

or

RPO E63 = Fleetside ("PUBX - Fleet")

?

K

Don't know where to find that.
The sheet that I have has 126 different blocks on it numbered from 1-126 with all sorts of info in the blocks. It also has everything on it that is on the SPID


It is a 1970 and the info on the VIN is, CE134ZZ-XXXXX

C= 4X2
E= V8 GAS
1= 1/2 TON
34= WIDESIDE (FLEETSIDE)
Z= FREMONT
Z= 1970

The -XXXXX is the serial number


On the old registration under
body type/model it states, PUCE15734
Type Veh, states 32P

Maybe this is just the shipping sheet information. Kind of like a "Bill of Lading"?


Thanks,

[special-K]

Originally Posted by too much stuff

Well, the truck passed the state inspector this am. (always fun to do in -10 degrees!) He passed everything as orginal but incomplete data on the original title. Heading the right way, but still have a ways to go... Will update as more happens...

You picked the best time to have them take a look. >> Ok great. Let's get inside!

Originally Posted by tcrist

After reading up on this I decided to check my title.

Mine only has 12 digits instead of the 17 required to do a VIN check online.
So after finding more info for a 1970 GMC I checked my VIN and found out that my VIN says my truck is supposed to be a "WIDESIDE" (fleetside) but mine is a Fenderside.

I am going to have to see if I can get in touch with the orgionial owners family and see what's up.

I have all of the old paperwork from 1969 and on when it was bought new including the factory build sheet in about perfect condition. It is in this shape because they took it and placed it in the "NEW TRUCK" dealer folder and preserved it. It says nothing about it being "special ordered" with a fenderside bed though....

The model number is the original configuration the truck was built as...before the first option. That truck was built as a Fenderside. It would be interesting to hear what the family says happened

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by tcrist

Don't know where to find that.
The sheet that I have has 126 different blocks on it numbered from 1-126 with all sorts of info in the blocks. It also has everything on it that is on the SPID


It is a 1970 and the info on the VIN is, CE134ZZ-XXXXX

C= 4X2
E= V8 GAS
1= 1/2 TON
34= WIDESIDE (FLEETSIDE)
Z= FREMONT
Z= 1970

The -XXXXX is the serial number


On the old registration under
body type/model it states, PUCE15734
Type Veh, states 32P

Maybe this is just the shipping sheet information. Kind of like a "Bill of Lading"?


Thanks,

I'd be interested in seeing the document you are referring to, if you are comfortable posting it. Just cover the sequential portion of the VIN.

K

[tcrist]

Trying to add the picture. Let's see if it works.

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by tcrist

Trying to add the picture. Let's see if it works.

Yep - that's a build sheet (aka build manifest). Not a shipping document or bill of lading or anything like that. They are supposed to be thrown away when the build is complete but it's easier just to leave them where they fall (especially if they are in the seat cushion, or under the carpet).

K

[tcrist]

Well I found a bit of information. My truck was a Fleetside and it was changed to a stepside at some point. As it was on a farm my guess is that the bed was damaged and they replaced it with whatever they found at the time.

The guy that I got it from is supposed to bring me a photo of when it was a fleetside.

[too much stuff]

Originally Posted by too much stuff

Well, the truck passed the state inspector this am. (always fun to do in -10 degrees!) He passed everything as orginal but incomplete data on the original title. Heading the right way, but still have a ways to go... Will update as more happens...

Well i guess i can start working on it again! Got the title in my hand and free and clear of everything. Doesn't have the zeros anymore however...

[special-K]

Good to hear and good luck with the rest of your quest. I have a title and VIN-plate I was going to give you. Now hold on you all! It's ok, it's from a country that doesn't exist anymore. I think it will be fine > JUST KIDDING!!*

*Disclaimer: JUST KIDDING!! A term used to make clear prior statements were never intended to be taken seriously. If said statement/statements made reference to any type of illegal activity, whether town, county, state, federal, planet, galaxy, or universe are merely made for entertainment purposes and shall not be acted upon. The person making such statements shall not be held accountable for any activity said to stem from any individual claiming to have read said statement on the internet. You can't believe everything you read on the internet.

[hugger6933]

All joking aside, glad you got this fixed. When I first got started rebuilding wrecks in the late 80's I bought one of the first 88 new body style trucks to come into this part of the country. I had one in my shop wrecked before the dealers had many to put on the lots. The guy got one somewhere and got "happy" and wrecked it ,I got it from him. Anyways that is one of the ways I got a rep for having real late stuff and I started having people calling trying to sell parts cheap and wanting to know if they could buy some titles and vin plates off the ones I junked out. After several phone hangups the calls stopped coming. Jim

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by special-K

*Disclaimer: JUST KIDDING!! A term used to make clear prior statements were never intended to be taken seriously. If said statement/statements made reference to any type of illegal activity, whether town, county, state, federal, planet, galaxy, or universe are merely made for entertainment purposes and shall not be acted upon. The person making such statements shall not be held accountable for any activity said to stem from any individual claiming to have read said statement on the internet. You can't believe everything you read on the internet.

I just read this super fast in my radio announcer voice.

K