Is my balancer fully on? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

Praxiss454 · 01-30-2019, 06:49 PM

Hi guys,
It sounds kind of like I'm bottomed out, but I'm not 100% certain. Does this balancer look like it's on there all the way? Chevy 230.

I was thinking maybe it is still off by 1/16" - 1/8". I've been using a sheet of 3/4" plywood on the face, and smacking the hell out of it with a hammer. I've also been whacking on it with a heavy rubber mallet. I tried putting ice on the crank nub to cool it down, and poured boiling water on the balancer to heat it up, that helped me get it to where it is now.

chevy_mike · 01-30-2019, 07:16 PM

Looking back at my pic when I rebuilt my 250, it appears to be at the same location as yours. Sorry it's not closer but if you look at the taper on the end of the balancer, it looks to be like yours.

sweetk30 · 01-30-2019, 09:00 PM

i know guys get away with it but you do know wacking them on can DESTROY the thrust flange on a crank shaft

Praxiss454 · 01-30-2019, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetk30

i know guys get away with it but you do know wacking them on can DESTROY the thrust flange on a crank shaft

Do you have alternate installation instructions? I'm trying to follow my GMC maintenance manual, which says to drive it on until it bottoms out against the gear. There are no threads on this style of crankshaft. Heat+Cold and a hammer is the only way I'm aware of.

sweetk30 · 01-30-2019, 09:50 PM

never played with one so i aSSumed it had threads . . .

Praxiss454 · 01-31-2019, 01:20 AM

Threads would sure make it a hell of a lot easier.. I was a bit worried that railing on it would cause damage but I'm not sure what else to do. I'll probably try a little more heat/cold tomorrow to see if it moves at all or if I can tell for certain that it is bottomed out.

AcampoDave · 01-31-2019, 11:23 AM

Do the pulleys align?

Dead Parrot · 01-31-2019, 11:42 AM

^^^ Check this. Would really suck to find out out it is on too far when you go to put on belts.

If you have a can of that 'canned air' hold the can upside down and spray the divot on the crank to quickly cool it.

weq92f · 01-31-2019, 11:54 AM

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Yeah, check if your pulleys line up. If so... you're golden!

If not... Ditch the boiling water. You need a torch to put enough heat into the balancer. Just be sure you don't over heat it!

But, if yor belt lines up properly, no need to mess with it any further.

-klb

Praxiss454 · 01-31-2019, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AcampoDave

Do the pulleys align?

The balancer sticks out about 1/8th inch farther than the fan pulley. BUT it is my understanding that the water pump pulley mount is press fit on to the shaft and, compared to my old pump, is pushed farther back. I think I can use a puller to pull it forward if necessary. I'll mount the alternator today to check for alignment and see how things look.

chevy_mike · 01-31-2019, 12:11 PM

Yeah, I didn't want to beat on it so I drilled and tapped the crank and used a standard SBC installer to press it on. Didn't take long to do this, as the crank is cast and easy to drill and tap.

**PGSigns** · 01-31-2019, 12:43 PM

Hard to tell from the picture you have posted but it looks like the outer ring on the damper is pushed back further than it should be. They are normally closer to being flush with the front.
Jimmy

SunSoaked · 01-31-2019, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxiss454

I've been using a sheet of 3/4" plywood on the face, and smacking the hell out of it with a hammer. I've also been whacking on it with a heavy rubber mallet. I tried putting ice on the crank nub to cool it down, and poured boiling water on the balancer to heat it up, that helped me get it to where it is now.

Wow! That's REALLY old school. Lol

*YoungPup1977* · 01-31-2019, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SunSoaked

Wow! That's REALLY old school. Lol

This forum is called 1947 to present.......so some of this is OLD school....LOL!!!!!

61K10 · 02-01-2019, 03:58 PM

when i started back in the 60's a BFH was your best friend--still is at almost 70 yrs old lol.

01-30-2019, 06:49 PM	#1
Praxiss454 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Novato, CA Posts: 519	Is my balancer fully on? Hi guys, It sounds kind of like I'm bottomed out, but I'm not 100% certain. Does this balancer look like it's on there all the way? Chevy 230. I was thinking maybe it is still off by 1/16" - 1/8". I've been using a sheet of 3/4" plywood on the face, and smacking the hell out of it with a hammer. I've also been whacking on it with a heavy rubber mallet. I tried putting ice on the crank nub to cool it down, and poured boiling water on the balancer to heat it up, that helped me get it to where it is now. Attached Images __________________ 1965 GMC 1000 SWB Fleetside L6 230 - SOLD Thanks everyone for the help over the years.

01-30-2019, 07:16 PM	#2
chevy_mike Never Ending Projects Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,836	Re: Is my balancer fully on? Looking back at my pic when I rebuilt my 250, it appears to be at the same location as yours. Sorry it's not closer but if you look at the taper on the end of the balancer, it looks to be like yours. __________________ . 1965 C10 Panel, Tiki Express http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=506580 SOLD 1968 Chevy C10, Long, Fleetside, Hot Rod Hauler http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=313233 SOLD 1965 Chevy C10, Long, Fleetside, Hot Rod C10 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=415702 SOLD We were given two ears and one mouth for a reason... listen twice as much and speak half as often...

01-30-2019, 09:00 PM	#3
sweetk30 Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Location: horseheads,ny rust belt Posts: 2,794	Re: Is my balancer fully on? i know guys get away with it but you do know wacking them on can DESTROY the thrust flange on a crank shaft __________________ 77-k30lb BIG truck build . 87-k30lb budget beater build . 85-k30lb the plow machine build . 85-c10sb summer fun toy . ----------------------------- HOLLEY SNIPER efi = worst case of p.i.t.a i ever had . EDELBROCK pro flo 4 = best deal going so far . love my setup works great.

01-30-2019, 09:50 PM	#5
sweetk30 Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Location: horseheads,ny rust belt Posts: 2,794	Re: Is my balancer fully on? never played with one so i aSSumed it had threads . . . __________________ 77-k30lb BIG truck build . 87-k30lb budget beater build . 85-k30lb the plow machine build . 85-c10sb summer fun toy . ----------------------------- HOLLEY SNIPER efi = worst case of p.i.t.a i ever had . EDELBROCK pro flo 4 = best deal going so far . love my setup works great.

01-31-2019, 01:20 AM	#6
Praxiss454 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Novato, CA Posts: 519	Re: Is my balancer fully on? Threads would sure make it a hell of a lot easier.. I was a bit worried that railing on it would cause damage but I'm not sure what else to do. I'll probably try a little more heat/cold tomorrow to see if it moves at all or if I can tell for certain that it is bottomed out. __________________ 1965 GMC 1000 SWB Fleetside L6 230 - SOLD Thanks everyone for the help over the years.

01-31-2019, 11:23 AM	#7
AcampoDave Registered User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: central California Posts: 2,774	Re: Is my balancer fully on? Do the pulleys align?

01-31-2019, 11:42 AM	#8
Dead Parrot Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 2,611	Re: Is my balancer fully on? ^^^ Check this. Would really suck to find out out it is on too far when you go to put on belts. If you have a can of that 'canned air' hold the can upside down and spray the divot on the crank to quickly cool it.

01-31-2019, 11:54 AM	#9
weq92f Registered User Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 3,218	Re: Is my balancer fully on? . Yeah, check if your pulleys line up. If so... you're golden! If not... Ditch the boiling water. You need a torch to put enough heat into the balancer. Just be sure you don't over heat it! But, if yor belt lines up properly, no need to mess with it any further. -klb __________________ 67 C10 fleet fuel injected '70 402, 700r4, 3.73 posi 07 335 sport turbo 6sp 94 Trans Am GT LT1 6sp posi -- sold after 22yrs 99 540 sport V8 6sp -- sold 73 240z L24 4sp -- given to friend 68 C10 step 350/350 3.73 open -- sold

01-31-2019, 12:11 PM	#11
chevy_mike Never Ending Projects Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,836	Re: Is my balancer fully on? Yeah, I didn't want to beat on it so I drilled and tapped the crank and used a standard SBC installer to press it on. Didn't take long to do this, as the crank is cast and easy to drill and tap. __________________ . 1965 C10 Panel, Tiki Express http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=506580 SOLD 1968 Chevy C10, Long, Fleetside, Hot Rod Hauler http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=313233 SOLD 1965 Chevy C10, Long, Fleetside, Hot Rod C10 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=415702 SOLD We were given two ears and one mouth for a reason... listen twice as much and speak half as often...

01-31-2019, 12:43 PM	#12
PGSigns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Hayes Va Posts: 4,569	Re: Is my balancer fully on? Hard to tell from the picture you have posted but it looks like the outer ring on the damper is pushed back further than it should be. They are normally closer to being flush with the front. Jimmy __________________ 60 to 66 Chevy and GMC window decals http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=661131 Good friends, good food and a hotrod what else do you need? 1966 BBW long fleet Daily driver 1965 BBW short fleet Sold and going to a good home 1965 Suburban 2003 3500 Duramax 2005 Ultra Classic

02-01-2019, 03:58 PM	#15
61K10 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: pleasant valley--placerville ca Posts: 3,039	Re: Is my balancer fully on? when i started back in the 60's a BFH was your best friend--still is at almost 70 yrs old lol. __________________ 1961 chevy K10 my build is------------61K10 build

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