Roller Lifter ?

[1970 CST Short Wide]

While I have an LS in my truck I’m more old school and not really up on them
When looking at Cams they don’t offer cam and lifters like a flat tappet cam. I’ve hear it doesn’t matter cam to cam or order of Roller Lifters due to them being 1 Roller and 2 Hardened Can someone enlighten me a bit. Looking at new Cams and want to know if I can use my old lifters. Not having any problems with them just want more Cam
Thanks

[LS short box]

In regards to lifters I've reused the stock lifters on my LS swaps. But and it's a big but on my LS swap engines have always been low mileage engines. 25K or less.
Trouble is the LS7 lifters have gotten a bit pricey. I wouldn't run anything else.
If you are going with a cam bigger than stock get better valve springs and lifters.

[1970 CST Short Wide]

Originally Posted by LS short box

In regards to lifters I've reused the stock lifters on my LS swaps. But and it's a big but on my LS swap engines have always been low mileage engines. 25K or less.
Trouble is the LS7 lifters have gotten a bit pricey. I wouldn't run anything else.
If you are going with a cam bigger than stock get better valve springs and lifters.

Looking at Trick Flow Cam and Head Combo. It comes with Roller Rockers but no lifters. My LS1 only has ~50,000 original miles. New Cam lift is 585/585 so while not Hugh its up there and matched to the heads. Being Old School I always go with new lifters with new cam. They do offer Stock replacement lifters for under $300
You mentioned LS7 lifters, are they supposed to be better and be used in LS1?.
I don’t mind the $ if it’s worth it
Thanks

[1970 CST Short Wide]

LS7 Roller Lifter part # 12499225 on Amazon for less than $100. WOW
Is this the right Part # LOL looks like it

[Joyridin]

Use what you want, but unless you can verify the LS7 lifter is a good brand, I would not touch them anymore. Too many fakes and junk out there masquerading as LS7 lifters.

Buy a set of Johnson or Morel lifters. They are probably going to set you back $300-$700, but they are not junk and considering you bought heads, cam, and all the other stuff, you might as well do it correctly.

[IIGW]

Originally Posted by 1970 CST Short Wide

I have an LS in my truck
When looking at Cams they don’t offer cam and lifters like a flat tappet cam.
Thanks

thats becuase after about 1990 EVERYTHING moved to roller lifters.

i would reuse yours

too much risk going for cheap lifters currently

dont forget the need to have the ECM tuned after the cam is installed

[1970 CST Short Wide]

Originally Posted by Joyridin

Use what you want, but unless you can verify the LS7 lifter is a good brand, I would not touch them anymore. Too many fakes and junk out there masquerading as LS7 lifters.

Buy a set of Johnson or Morel lifters. They are probably going to set you back $300-$700, but they are not junk and considering you bought heads, cam, and all the other stuff, you might as well do it correctly.

I have NO Intention of buying Lifters from Amazon. Someone said you can get anything at Amazon so I looked for laughs. No doubt they are Taiwan Junk- Not in my Engine Thank You Very Much

[Accelo]

Trouble is the LS7 lifters have gotten a bit pricey.
A full set of real GM lifters is a nominal $400.
Lots of fakes out there.
I would re-use my originals.

[indymachinist]

For anyone else looking, please don’t buy LS7 lifters from amazon. Buy them from a known, reputable parts house.

[Joyridin]

Originally Posted by 1970 CST Short Wide

I have NO Intention of buying Lifters from Amazon. Someone said you can get anything at Amazon so I looked for laughs. No doubt they are Taiwan Junk- Not in my Engine Thank You Very Much

It isn't just Amazon. It is many places anymore that are selling the fake LS7 lifters. You think you are buying a set of LS7 lifters for $300 then 2 months after you put them in, half the lifters are collapsed or the rollers fall out.

[LS short box]

No chance I would buy LS7 lifters on Amazon. Since you are going to have the heads off you can inspect the stock lifters. If they look worn replace them. Maybe replace the lifter trays with GM trays.

[1970 CST Short Wide]

Anybody know anything about Morel brand name lifters. They say made in USA

[Joyridin]

Originally Posted by 1970 CST Short Wide

Anybody know anything about Morel brand name lifters. They say made in USA

Morel is a customer of mine. All their lifters are made in Cleveland, Ohio. I visit their facility on a regular basis. They make lifters for Lunati, Howards, Comp and a few others.

I have a set of short travel link bar lifters in my LS engine. No problems so far.

Johnson lifters are also good lifters. I have those in my LT engine.

[1970 CST Short Wide]

Originally Posted by Joyridin

Morel is a customer of mine. All their lifters are made in Cleveland, Ohio. I visit their facility on a regular basis. They make lifters for Lunati, Howards, Comp and a few others.

I have a set of short travel link bar lifters in my LS engine. No problems so far.

Johnson lifters are also good lifters. I have those in my LT engine.

That’s what I needed to know. Thanks for the info. I appreciate it

[Accelo]

I noticed the Morel lifters go for a nominal $210.
The real LS7 GM CHEVROLET PERFORMANCE LIFTERS - 12499225 are nominally $415.

[1970 CST Short Wide]

Originally Posted by Accelo

I noticed the Morel lifters go for a nominal $210.
The real LS7 GM CHEVROLET PERFORMANCE LIFTERS - 12499225 are nominally $415.

Anybody know what the difference would be other than price????

[Accelo]

I would feel comfortable with either of the USA made products.

Their are nothing but horror stories about China lifter failures that take the motor with them. Many are marketed as GM LS7 lifters but are nothing but Chinese knockoffs.

LS7 lifters for $120 don't exist.

[1970 CST Short Wide]

The company that I’m buying the head and can combo offers Morel lifters for $249 on sale for $219. Probably will go with them

Thanks All for the Input. I appreciate it

[Joyridin]

Originally Posted by 1970 CST Short Wide

Anybody know what the difference would be other than price????

Morel makes a cheaper lifter and a more expensive version. The cheaper is made from 12L15 or 1215 material. The higher end lifters are 8620. How much that matters, I am not sure.

You may want to check the RPM limit though. I seem to recall the lower end lifters having a 5500 RPM max versus 7000 or something for the higher end version. I am not sure how much you go to redline, but almost any LS/LT engine will easily go beyond that 5500 RPM limit if that is accurate.

[Willie Makeit]

I have really good luck with the BTR (Brian Tooley Racing) branded Delphi LS7 lifter packages. Their website shows out of stock but Summit carries them as well for $179.99, same price as BTR

https://briantooleyracing.com/delphi...499225-16.html

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/btc-x12499225-16

[AussieinNC]

Originally Posted by Willie Makeit

I have really good luck with the BTR (Brian Tooley Racing) branded Delphi LS7 lifter packages. Their website shows out of stock but Summit carries them as well for $179.99, same price as BTR

https://briantooleyracing.com/delphi...499225-16.html

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/btc-x12499225-16

It is very concerning to me that the BTR site shows these lifters as having NO WARRANTY !
The BTR site also lists these items as being "like 12499225" telling me they are not genuine OEM.
DELPHI LS7 HYDRAULIC ROLLER LIFTERS - LIKE 12499225

I dont use these or any other lifters not actually equivalent to OEM.

[Willie Makeit]

Originally Posted by AussieinNC

It is very concerning to me that the BTR site shows these lifters as having NO WARRANTY !
The BTR site also lists these items as being "like 12499225" telling me they are not genuine OEM.
DELPHI LS7 HYDRAULIC ROLLER LIFTERS - LIKE 12499225

I dont use these or any other lifters not actually equivalent to OEM.

The guy ask for suggestions. I gave mine based on my experience and no where in my post did I ever say they were OEM GM lifters. I've never bought a lifter based on whether it had a warranty or not. If one goes bad, it's not the lifter I'm worried about and NO ONE is gonna warranty the rest of you engine based on their lifter warranty. BTR is very very well known in the LS performance world, if there has ever been a problem with these lifters then word would already be out.

Use what you want, no one here is going to argue with you.

P.S.Delphi & Eaton are the OEM manufacture for GM LS7 lifters.

[1970 CST Short Wide]

Seems I’ve opened a can of worms here. I do appreciate everyone’s input. Unfortunately it has me asking more questions. I know there’s knock off Crap out there, problem is how do you know if a reputable Dealer isn’t selling it. I have lots of home work to do now. My engine only has ~50,000 so I might just use what I have

Again, Thanks for ALL the good info

[cj847]

While you are sorting thru fakes.....I'm assuming your cam is going to require new springs. Everyone sells PAC springs. However, do not buy them unless you can confirm they are made by Peterson America Corp.

[Accelo]

A few year ago I purchased a set of LS6 springs through Ebay.
After hearing horror stories I purchased another set of springs through GM.
All the Ebay springs had lower spring pressures than the OEM's.
I measured them all and the ebay springs averaged 21 pounds less at the same compression length.
Caveat Emptor (Buyer Beware)