speaker Kick panel....bummer

[GreyHoundSteve]

Originally Posted by XXL

This statement isn't the least bit accurate. Magnet size (along with its material composition) are but one factor in determining flux density within the voice coil gap. The vc gap is but one factor in determining the motor efficiency of the driver. Motor efficience is but one factor in "sound quality" of a speaker.

True enough but to a novice this isnt a bad rule to follow. Its like saying that the larger the cid the more hp a motor will have. Now this isnt the least bit accurate either but to someone who knows NOTHING about motors its not a bad generalization. Following me? If not then go to best buy or any other typical speaker retailer. Ask them to line up the speakers in order of quality and see how many smaller magnet speakers are out of order ..... maybe 1 out of 10 sets and they are probably the ones that retail for TWICE what any of other set do. Now if we are talking high end ..... yeah that generaliztion goes out the window but if your going to spend $500+ on a pair on components then you should probably know a little more about speakers than the average Joe or at least find someone who does and ask them.

[4x4Poet]

This "novice" thinks his intelligence has been insulted since he had earlier posted that better magnet material composition can make an inferior sized magnet composed of high quality material serve a speaker as well as a superior sized magnet of a lesser quality material, all things being equal otherwise.












Just blowin' smoke.

[XXL]

Originally Posted by GreyHoundSteve

If not then go to best buy or any other typical speaker retailer. Ask them to line up the speakers in order of quality and see how many smaller magnet speakers are out of order ..... maybe 1 out of 10 sets and they are probably the ones that retail for TWICE what any of other set do. Now if we are talking high end ..... yeah that generaliztion goes out the window but if your going to spend $500+ on a pair on components then you should probably know a little more about speakers than the average Joe or at least find someone who does and ask them.

We call that marketing.

[GreyHoundSteve]

Originally Posted by XXL

We call that marketing.

I hope that you dont really believe that comsumer elctronic manufacturers are making their products bigger than they need to be for "marketing" reasons.
If you do believe that then i hate to say it but you are grossly out of touch with the market place because i have never heard anyone say " WOW, thats a huge cell phone, where did you get that monster? I gotta have one of those because my smaller phone fits too well in my pocket, i would rather have one that has to have its own suitcase that i have to drag around." :p

[67chevemall]

Cardboard, duct tape, resin, fiberglass mat,
bondo, sandpaper, paint!

Cheers

[68CST327]

Type-R's won't fit those kick panels? Damn. There goes my idea.

[GreyHoundSteve]

Originally Posted by 68CST327

Type-R's won't fit those kick panels? Damn. There goes my idea.

The 6 1/2's wouldnt so i went with the 5 1/4's. Part of the reason may be do to the fact that im going to use the factory dimmer switch and the design of my kickpanels will have them angled up and in, maybe a different style kickpanel might house them but with my design they were just too big. My problem now is trying to find some subs small enough to fit behind the seats.

[Cethern]

Hey Chevy Dude
PM cochino12 He lives in the Denver area and deals with Audio stuff. He mite have a answer for you.
I did pull some pic's of what he is using, I'm not sure if yours are the same or not.

I hope this helps
Eric

[djracer]

http://www.directed.com/audio/speakers/default.asp here is a link to the speakers I was talking about! They are similar to the dddrive alpine speakers from a few years back! I have been in the bus since 1986 and these are the same people that make the best car alarms (Viper, Phython, Avital, Clifford and more) I am a dealer for these if any one want's a quote pm me. They are not cheap but they will fit in small spaces and sound awesome!

[68CST327]

Originally Posted by djracer

http://www.directed.com/audio/speakers/default.asp here is a link to the speakers I was talking about! They are similar to the dddrive alpine speakers from a few years back! I have been in the bus since 1986 and these are the same people that make the best car alarms (Viper, Phython, Avital, Clifford and more) I am a dealer for these if any one want's a quote pm me. They are not cheap but they will fit in small spaces and sound awesome!

Huh, well that's interesting. Says the 6.5" speaker from Directed Electronics has a mounting depth of 2.5". On Alpine's site, they say the Type-R 6.5" speakers have a 2.75" mounting depth.

What precisely is the maximum mounting depth you can fit in those generic kick panels that just about everplace sells?

[EDIT] I just checked Alpine's site for the Type-S 6.5" speaker, and it has a mounting depth of 2-13/64", which is even better. Don't know how well they sound though. I suspect they are pretty good.

[passthebuck]

i'm in for a set! "build it & they will come"!

G

[4x4Poet]

You automatic users have it made for spacing out an enclosure. I need to clear both clutch and emer brake pedals.

[subtle71]

Guys, I feel your pain! I work for a speaker manufacturer, Polk Audio. And for me, the abs plastic panels with the 6.5" coaxials was not an option (Especially since I know that there is a better option!). Here is what I was able to come up with. I am attaching a couple of pics to maybe give you a better idea. I had one of my dealers fabricate a set of kicks to fit our 6.75" component set. Phil started out by using the Rod Doors kickpanels as templates for the back of the new kicks. The new back was cut out of 1/4" luan then mdf speaker rings were placed using some back-strap material. Once the desired angles were done for best imaging, Phil stretched a fleece material over the front side and secured to the back of the panel with stapels. He made another luan piece which was screwed over the front to make some design and not make them look so plain. He then covered them with fiberglass resin, sanded smooth, glassed again, smoothed again, and then wrapped with the same soft vinyl that covers the rest of the interior panels.

I hope this info helps a little!
Dean

[subtle71]

Originally Posted by subtle71

Guys, I feel your pain! I work for a speaker manufacturer, Polk Audio. And for me, the abs plastic panels with the 6.5" coaxials was not an option (Especially since I know that there is a better option!). Here is what I was able to come up with. I am attaching a couple of pics to maybe give you a better idea. I had one of my dealers fabricate a set of kicks to fit our 6.75" component set. Phil started out by using the Rod Doors kickpanels as templates for the back of the new kicks. The new back was cut out of 1/4" luan then mdf speaker rings were placed using some back-strap material. Once the desired angles were done for best imaging, Phil stretched a fleece material over the front side and secured to the back of the panel with stapels. He made another luan piece which was screwed over the front to make some design and not make them look so plain. He then covered them with fiberglass resin, sanded smooth, glassed again, smoothed again, and then wrapped with the same soft vinyl that covers the rest of the interior panels.

I hope this info helps a little!
Dean

I meant to add the pics the first try!

[Bowtiefreak]

That looks nice! Now how about the rest of us? Man get some more made for us boardmembers.

[GreyHoundSteve]

That looks REAL GOOD but ive heard bad things about mounting the tweeter below the woofer as far as sound imaging, but then again if you work for polk then you should probably know better than i.

[ChevyDude]

I'm am determined to do this with the deep 6.5" Kappa speakers. Looks as if I am going fashioning these panels myself in fiberglass. Pics to be shown as soon as I get them done. The new panel will hold a deep 6.5" and the 1" component...and have clear access to the dimmer switch and also not interfere with the E brake. Time to start craving a mold.

This is what I want (pic borrowed from 383 Stroker):

[bc gman]

I picked up a couple of the kick panel speakers about two months ago and was going to get some speakers for them after Christmas, I didn't realize that there would be a problem getting quality speakers to fit. I have already installed the two 4" under the dash and was hoping that the Aftermarket decks for these trucks along with an amp would sound good.

[70c10]

Alex, here is a very good link for you or anybody else who wants to make enclosures, kick panels, etc. to check out: http://web.njit.edu/%7Ecas1383/proj/main/

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[BIG ORANGE]

I got aset of those panels in the Harley truck and used velcrow to mount them to the kickplate they sound good!

[ChevyDude]

A BIG Thanks to all the replys!!!! Seems like there are alot of us who want nice Speaks in our trucks and need some nice workable panels. I really believe the nicest ones I seen so far are the ones that 383 Stroker had made. He sent me a pic of the drivers side which is below. He doesn't have the E brake problem because his truck doesn't have an E- brake....at least that's what I think he told me. The panel I'm going to make will be like these however will deal with the Vent rod, E-Brake, and Dimmer Switch. This will be a nice lil' challenge and project on it's own.

[TugOwar]

Originally Posted by ChevyDude

A BIG Thanks to all the replys!!!! Seems like there are alot of us who want nice Speaks in our trucks and need some nice workable panels. I really believe the nicest ones I seen so far are the ones that 383 Stroker had made. He sent me a pic of the drivers side which is below. He doesn't have the E brake problem because his truck doesn't have an E- brake....at least that's what I think he told me. The panel I'm going to make will be like these however will deal with the Vent rod, E-Brake, and Dimmer Switch. This will be a nice lil' challenge and project on it's own.

Those are very nice! Neat and clean looking. How are they attached to the wall though?

[383 Stroker]

Originally Posted by TugOwar

Those are very nice! Neat and clean looking. How are they attached to the wall though?

With screws.

[Brainchild]

Driving without tunes is a crime in the US.So we have to figure this thing out

6x9s in the floor in front of the seat are OK if you drive alone,but when someone gets in BLAH!

[68CST327]

ChevyDude, or anyone else, if you get a mold going, and can make some sets of these panels, I'd definitely be wanting to purchase a pair. I need to have some good sound; I've been without music in the truck for too long!