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RShaips · 05-10-2006, 09:36 AM

Need some feedback on what headers fit a 4 Speed 4WD Truck. I took a rusty set off of this truck that ran the back tube on the drivers side in front of the bar that is attached to the the clutch rod, this is what I am looking for but I don't know what brand they were. I would prefer not to have the bar run between the header pipes. Thanks

**Daubs** · 05-10-2006, 10:23 AM

Good question. I've got 4 speed manual truck with ram-horns...but am thinking about headers some day. Will keep my eye on this thread.

sleepyboy · 05-10-2006, 11:01 AM

I have Hedman shorties on mine.

**special-K** · 05-10-2006, 07:54 PM

I`ve never seen an affirmative answer to this question,unless it was Hooker Super Comps.The only time I`ve put headers on a 4spd 4wd I had to modify the z-bar by moving the lower leg(make sure you clean all the grease out first.Some people have been known to start a fire in the tube before).

Bishops Trucks · 05-10-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by special-K

I`ve never seen an affirmative answer to this question,unless it was Hooker Super Comps.The only time I`ve put headers on a 4spd 4wd I had to modify the z-bar by moving the lower leg(make sure you clean all the grease out first.Some people have been known to start a fire in the tube before).

I agree. On the truck I just sold I had to alter the z-bar. Cut the lower leg off, Bend it and reweld it in a differant location. When altering these trucks, somewtimes we have to fabricate.

RShaips · 05-10-2006, 08:15 PM

The headers I took off fit fine without any modification. I just didn't look at the close enough before I tossed them. Didn't even think about it. It seems that they might have been Hooker headers, I just can't can't remember for sure. Its hell getting old!

JAKES 68GMC · 05-10-2006, 08:26 PM

Maybe you could home-port out some ram-horns.

RShaips · 05-18-2006, 07:54 PM

I`ve never seen an affirmative answer to this question,unless it was Hooker Super Comps.The only time I`ve put headers on a 4spd 4wd I had to modify the z-bar by moving the lower leg(make sure you clean all the grease out first.Some people have been known to start a fire in the tube before).
Do Hooker Super Comps fit without modification?

70short/step · 05-18-2006, 08:03 PM

My brothers 4X4 Blazer has Hedmen Elites and the didnt have to be modified.

RShaips · 05-18-2006, 08:08 PM

Is it a 4 speed?

**special-K** · 05-18-2006, 08:54 PM

I read here that a member claimed the Hooker Super Competitions worked.But,I`m not sure enough to get them for my 4spd truck.It was a while ago and I`m not sure why,but I don`t recall it was ever verified.I was hoping this thread would bring out the facts.Maybe post it in the 4x4 section.

71chevytruckguy · 05-18-2006, 09:08 PM

flowtech makes a header that will clear the z-bar one a 4spd 2wd no problem. they sell them @ autozone for $85 for a painted set. i have them on my '69. sandblasted the old paint off and painted with VHT paint. they've been on a month and haven't had any trouble out of them. chris.

70short/step · 05-18-2006, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RShaips

Is it a 4 speed?

Yes a 4 speed 4X4

RShaips · 05-18-2006, 09:56 PM

Thanks for the info. I knew someone had to make them I took a rusty set off of this truck.

Bishops Trucks · 05-19-2006, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RShaips

The only time I`ve put headers on a 4spd 4wd I had to modify the z-bar by moving the lower leg

That's what I had to do on my '70 4X4 with Hedmans.

**special-K** · 05-20-2006, 10:30 AM

....and the circle continues....

RShaips · 05-20-2006, 09:37 PM

Nobody knows for sure!

70short/step · 05-20-2006, 10:28 PM

I Just got off the phone with my Brother and I was mistaken. He was originally going with the Hedman Elites but was told that they may need to be modified. He Bought Doug Thorley Tri-Y Nickel Plated and those he did not have to do any modifacations to the truck or headers! They fit Great and Sound Great!

RShaips · 05-21-2006, 07:57 AM

Thanks for the update. Those sound like the ones I am looking for!

MikeS · 05-21-2006, 08:43 AM

I put Hooker super Comps on my truck last summer. I had to modify the Z-bar as everybody said above. Really wasn't hard to do.

I'm pretty unhappy with the quality of the ceramic coating on them though. They haven't even been on a year and they're getting pretty rusty. Lots of pitting and areas where the coating was too thin (between tubes and flanges). They fit good, but I wouldn't waste your money on the ceramic version. Oh, yeah, Hooker's dual exhaust system doesn't fit either (at least not on a Blazer) OK I'm done ranting...maybe this should be in the review forum.

RShaips · 05-21-2006, 09:09 AM

I know how you feel . I bought Dynamax ceramic coated headers for my 67 and only put 1500 miles on them and I never even drove it in the rain and they were rusting within one year. I sold the truck but still I was expecting much better quality.

Mike C · 05-21-2006, 08:19 PM

Heddman makes an 1 5/8" full length header that works with the stock clutch linkage on a 4x4. I ran a set on my Jimmy for 10 years before the 2 1/2" 'vette rams horns. Best I can tell, 68-82 Corvette full length headers should work, but look into it first!

RShaips · 05-31-2006, 11:45 AM

I called Doug Thorley Headers and they said they will fit PT# DTE-372Y Chrome or DTE-372YC for ceramic. You can look at the picture and see that the back tube comes way forward to get aroung the clutch bar. Only one problem, chrome is $329.00 and ceramic is $508.00 at Summit. Rather pricey, chrome isn't too bad and I am leaning that way just hesitant due to less corrosion protection. Heddman headers PT# 69236 are ceramic and $329.00 at Summit, and by looking at the picture they also look like they will fit. I called tech support at Heddman and didn't get to talk with anybody,they emailed me back with the PT# to use. PT# 69092 painted $135.00 or PT# 69892 ceramic $302.00, better price but they don't look like they have as much clearance. Just thought I'd share what i found out so far.

RShaips · 01-18-2007, 11:17 AM

OK Its time to buy headers! Anybody have any new info regarding 4WD, 4speed headers? I have my cab back on and want to get the headers worked out before I put the front end on. Thanks

Jtrux · 01-18-2007, 11:43 AM

Dang it i'm in the same exact situation. I had headers on mine when I bought it and tossed the second the engine came out and now I can't find any that fit half as well, looks like i'll be modifying the zbar as well.

05-10-2006, 09:36 AM	#1
RShaips Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Augusta Missouri Posts: 804	What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? Need some feedback on what headers fit a 4 Speed 4WD Truck. I took a rusty set off of this truck that ran the back tube on the drivers side in front of the bar that is attached to the the clutch rod, this is what I am looking for but I don't know what brand they were. I would prefer not to have the bar run between the header pipes. Thanks

05-10-2006, 10:23 AM	#2
Daubs Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Eastern Nebraska Posts: 613	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? Good question. I've got 4 speed manual truck with ram-horns...but am thinking about headers some day. Will keep my eye on this thread. __________________ '72 Chevy K-20 Crate 350, SM465, 4.10's

05-10-2006, 11:01 AM	#3
sleepyboy '69 Step Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Marion, Texas Posts: 722	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? I have Hedman shorties on mine.

05-10-2006, 07:54 PM	#4
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? I`ve never seen an affirmative answer to this question,unless it was Hooker Super Comps.The only time I`ve put headers on a 4spd 4wd I had to modify the z-bar by moving the lower leg(make sure you clean all the grease out first.Some people have been known to start a fire in the tube before). __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

05-10-2006, 08:15 PM	#6
RShaips Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Augusta Missouri Posts: 804	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? The headers I took off fit fine without any modification. I just didn't look at the close enough before I tossed them. Didn't even think about it. It seems that they might have been Hooker headers, I just can't can't remember for sure. Its hell getting old!

05-10-2006, 08:26 PM	#7
JAKES 68GMC Aluminum slot wheels rule... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Maine Posts: 6,211	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? Maybe you could home-port out some ram-horns.

05-18-2006, 07:54 PM	#8
RShaips Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Augusta Missouri Posts: 804	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? I`ve never seen an affirmative answer to this question,unless it was Hooker Super Comps.The only time I`ve put headers on a 4spd 4wd I had to modify the z-bar by moving the lower leg(make sure you clean all the grease out first.Some people have been known to start a fire in the tube before). Do Hooker Super Comps fit without modification?

05-18-2006, 08:03 PM	#9
70short/step Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 1,579	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? My brothers 4X4 Blazer has Hedmen Elites and the didnt have to be modified. __________________ For every person with a spark of genius, There are a hundred with ignition trouble. 70 Short/Step

05-18-2006, 08:08 PM	#10
RShaips Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Augusta Missouri Posts: 804	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? Is it a 4 speed?

05-18-2006, 08:54 PM	#11
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? I read here that a member claimed the Hooker Super Competitions worked.But,I`m not sure enough to get them for my 4spd truck.It was a while ago and I`m not sure why,but I don`t recall it was ever verified.I was hoping this thread would bring out the facts.Maybe post it in the 4x4 section. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

05-18-2006, 09:08 PM	#12
71chevytruckguy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kernersville, NC Posts: 599	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? flowtech makes a header that will clear the z-bar one a 4spd 2wd no problem. they sell them @ autozone for $85 for a painted set. i have them on my '69. sandblasted the old paint off and painted with VHT paint. they've been on a month and haven't had any trouble out of them. chris. __________________ its a work in progess. 71 c-10 lwb, in the middle of frame off restoration. 69 c-10 swb, drag truck, 406 sbc, balanced, comp 292 cam, ported, polished, gasket matched, and bowl blended pro comp 210cc heads, 2.02/1.60 ferrea valves,1.6 roller rockers, re curved hei with msd 6al box, 2-step rev limter, accel 300+ wires, ported victor jr intake, holley 750 double pumper carb, dynomax 1 5/8 headers, 4 spd munci m-20 with super case and iron midplate, mr. gasket vertigate shifter, 5.38 pro gears with full spool, 33 spline moser axles and c-clip elimators, line-loc, 5 gal fuel cell, holley blue pump. 7.807 @ 88.37mph 1.60 60FT 80 g-20 van, tow rig, cammed 305, th350, 10 bolt 88 jeep wrangler, dd, 258, ax-15 swap, 4.5" lift, 33x12.50's, lockers, 3.55's Last edited by 71chevytruckguy; 05-18-2006 at 09:08 PM.

05-18-2006, 09:56 PM	#14
RShaips Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Augusta Missouri Posts: 804	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? Thanks for the info. I knew someone had to make them I took a rusty set off of this truck.

05-20-2006, 10:30 AM	#16
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? ....and the circle continues.... __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

05-20-2006, 09:37 PM	#17
RShaips Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Augusta Missouri Posts: 804	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? Nobody knows for sure!

05-20-2006, 10:28 PM	#18
70short/step Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 1,579	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? I Just got off the phone with my Brother and I was mistaken. He was originally going with the Hedman Elites but was told that they may need to be modified. He Bought Doug Thorley Tri-Y Nickel Plated and those he did not have to do any modifacations to the truck or headers! They fit Great and Sound Great! __________________ For every person with a spark of genius, There are a hundred with ignition trouble. 70 Short/Step



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05-21-2006, 07:57 AM	#19
RShaips Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Augusta Missouri Posts: 804	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? Thanks for the update. Those sound like the ones I am looking for!

05-21-2006, 08:43 AM	#20
MikeS Active Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Pottstown, PA Posts: 197	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? I put Hooker super Comps on my truck last summer. I had to modify the Z-bar as everybody said above. Really wasn't hard to do. I'm pretty unhappy with the quality of the ceramic coating on them though. They haven't even been on a year and they're getting pretty rusty. Lots of pitting and areas where the coating was too thin (between tubes and flanges). They fit good, but I wouldn't waste your money on the ceramic version. Oh, yeah, Hooker's dual exhaust system doesn't fit either (at least not on a Blazer) OK I'm done ranting...maybe this should be in the review forum. __________________ The rides: '72 Blazer 350/4spd/Tuned Port Injection '69 Firebird 400/4 speed 2001 Dodge Dakota Sport 4X4/4.7L V8/5 spd/Headers/Jet Chip, etc. Daily Driver 2002 Airborne Zeppelin (roadbike) Titanium frame/Campy Chorus 2004 Filippi Italia S (rowing shell)

05-21-2006, 09:09 AM	#21
RShaips Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Augusta Missouri Posts: 804	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? I know how you feel . I bought Dynamax ceramic coated headers for my 67 and only put 1500 miles on them and I never even drove it in the rain and they were rusting within one year. I sold the truck but still I was expecting much better quality.

05-21-2006, 08:19 PM	#22
Mike C Registered User Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Austin, TX, USA Posts: 7,728	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? Heddman makes an 1 5/8" full length header that works with the stock clutch linkage on a 4x4. I ran a set on my Jimmy for 10 years before the 2 1/2" 'vette rams horns. Best I can tell, 68-82 Corvette full length headers should work, but look into it first! __________________ 44 Willys MB 52 M38A1 64 Corvette Coupe 68 Camaro 'vert LT1 & TH700 69 Z/28 355 12.6's @110 69 Chevy Short Step 4 1/2"/7" drop 72 Jimmy 4WD 4spd 4" & 35's 02 GMC 2500HD 4x4 Duramax Last edited by Mike C; 05-21-2006 at 08:20 PM.

05-31-2006, 11:45 AM	#23
RShaips Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Augusta Missouri Posts: 804	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? I called Doug Thorley Headers and they said they will fit PT# DTE-372Y Chrome or DTE-372YC for ceramic. You can look at the picture and see that the back tube comes way forward to get aroung the clutch bar. Only one problem, chrome is $329.00 and ceramic is $508.00 at Summit. Rather pricey, chrome isn't too bad and I am leaning that way just hesitant due to less corrosion protection. Heddman headers PT# 69236 are ceramic and $329.00 at Summit, and by looking at the picture they also look like they will fit. I called tech support at Heddman and didn't get to talk with anybody,they emailed me back with the PT# to use. PT# 69092 painted $135.00 or PT# 69892 ceramic $302.00, better price but they don't look like they have as much clearance. Just thought I'd share what i found out so far.

01-18-2007, 11:17 AM	#24
RShaips Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Augusta Missouri Posts: 804	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? OK Its time to buy headers! Anybody have any new info regarding 4WD, 4speed headers? I have my cab back on and want to get the headers worked out before I put the front end on. Thanks

01-18-2007, 11:43 AM	#25
Jtrux I'm a poor spectator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: San Antonio, Tx Posts: 2,287	Re: What headers for a 4 Speed manual transmission? Dang it i'm in the same exact situation. I had headers on mine when I bought it and tossed the second the engine came out and now I can't find any that fit half as well, looks like i'll be modifying the zbar as well. __________________ 2006 Jeep Unlimited IMPACT ORANGE 1993 Chevy 2500 4x4 ExCab LWB 454/NV4500 Tow rig 1977 Ford F100 2x4 LWB 1st truck I owned, still have it!!! 1979 Ford F150 4x4 SWB Built Ford Tough!!! 1971 Chevy Blazer 350 / SM465 / NP205 UNDER CONSTRUCTION Soon to have a LQ4 6.0!!!

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