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dropped72shortbed · 05-13-2002, 05:32 PM

these are made by custom auto sound. i got em off ebay new for $137 with the upgraded pioneer 130watt speakers but you can buy them direct for like $129 with the lower speakers or $189 for the pioneers. if you guys were lookin for kick panels speakers for your older trucks these are really nice, if you have no clue about fiberglassing your own stuff these are for you, i think you can even get them without speakers for only $80 or something. cant wait to hook them up in my 72 and actually have some tunes in my truck for gods sake

71402BB · 05-13-2002, 05:39 PM

Cool, I also have them in my 71 and I love them. they sound pretty good to (if your truck isn't really loud inside the cab....)

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Narkoleptik · 05-13-2002, 05:43 PM

I was highest bidder on those! >=(

dropped72shortbed · 05-13-2002, 05:49 PM

"I was highest bidder on those! >=("

not on these.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eb...603716&r=0&t=0

LT-102 · 05-13-2002, 05:50 PM

Be sure to let us know how they sound when you get them installed.

Narkoleptik · 05-13-2002, 05:52 PM

i was highest bidder till the last 5 seconds

dropped72shortbed · 05-13-2002, 05:54 PM

dosent matter when you bid, the highest bidder still wins, your max was $135, mine was higher, sorry....

Narkoleptik · 05-13-2002, 05:57 PM

i just thought it was EXTREMELY LAME of you to do that... NUFF SAID

**68SWB4x4** · 05-13-2002, 06:06 PM

well tell us how they work installed.... i think there real cool
and no crying about someone sniping you on ebay.... its just stupid if you were willing to pay more you should have put a higher max bid..... if you think sniping is lame than you shouldnt even be looking on ebay, its part of the game everything i buy off ebay i snipe, why? because i can get it cheaper that way than placing a max bid and someone else going and bumping it up with alot of time left....
now someone that uses sniping tools to win a auction i agree thats cheap

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Narkoleptik · 05-13-2002, 06:11 PM

i'm not about to talk crap to an admin...

ok, ok, I will admit, I'm brooding and I should have raised my max bid... sorry for snapping at you dropped72shortbed... hope they sound good in your truck, let us know...

dropped72shortbed · 05-13-2002, 06:30 PM

i used esnipe for it and im not ashamed to say that i did.

the key reason i like to use esnipe is that i can place my bid on their servers and then cancel it later on if i decide i dont really want it. i used to just sit and wait myself to the last 2 min and bid but sometimes i would forget an auction was ending that i wanted to bid on.

so i used this for the 2 simple reasons
1. theres no point in me bidding at the beggining and just upping the prices.
2. i like the fact that i can place my bid and then think about it for a few days and a few hours before the auction ends i can change my mind and cancel the bid.

i dont understand why people get so upset over getting "sniped". the simple fact is the highest bidder wins. if you lose to a sniper then A. you werent willing to spend as much as the other guy or B. you were a schmuck and didnt bid as much as you really were willing to spend.

ive used esnipe before and still lost auctions, why? cause someone was willing to pay more than me and im fine with that. just because i use esnipe doesnt guarantee i win anything, i just find it alot more convenient for the reason that i can change my mind and cancel a bid, which is alot better than placing bids and then retracting them...

bigvinnie · 05-13-2002, 06:42 PM

snipe or be sniped...

superchevy · 05-13-2002, 06:49 PM

Amen.

72chevyLWB · 05-13-2002, 08:00 PM

take a pic of how close the parking brake comes to hitting the speaker since its up that high.

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Paul Clark · 05-13-2002, 08:14 PM

How do you contact Auto Sound?

Narkoleptik · 05-13-2002, 09:02 PM

i retract what i said earlier about my being sorry then... the whole point of ebay is to bid on items and watch what happens, not have some AUTOMATIC bidding service do it for you, lamer. I sat there for 5 days being the high bidder. I watched, and I wanted it bad enough to have it on my mind and check it everychance I got. It goes to show how lazy people are becoming now, you had to have some service do it for you. I should have put the max I wanted to pay but I'm glad you won that auction, it makes me feel like the bigger man for having enough patience and responsibility to pay attention to it rather than have someone else do it for me.

Alexis · 05-13-2002, 09:06 PM

hehehe, someones mighty jealous, good score man. yeah tell us how good they sound

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Narkoleptik · 05-13-2002, 09:14 PM

not jealous anymore, now that i know he had to have someone else do it for him... I'm not gonna say ANYTHING else about it... =)

Alexis · 05-13-2002, 10:00 PM

yeah, he still got them though, smart buyer. getting someone else to get it. nice

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Jessica: 1967 2wd SWB (not yet decided on furture)
Helga: 1972 4x4 3/4ton LWB (going to go too)

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Mountain View, Cali

dropped72shortbed · 05-13-2002, 11:08 PM

Narkoleptik,

i have come to the conclusion that you are a complete imbecile.

"the whole point of ebay is to bid on items and watch what happens"

and this holds true to everyone because you are god and have set forth the commandments for using ebay? no, that is not the point to ebay, that is your opinion of ebay, just like my opinion is that ebay is for buying and selling items in an auction type fashion

"I sat there for 5 days being the high bidder. I watched, and I wanted it bad enough to have it on my mind and check it every chance I got"

you know what? i sat there for 5+ days too, i watched, i bid too, i wanted it bad as well! but OBVIOUSLY you didnt want it as bad as i did or you would have bid higher, no?

"It goes to show how lazy people are becoming now"

i see we have a disagreement in beliefs here, last time i checked being a full time college student with 14 units a week as well as working 2 different part time jobs would make me the opposite of lazy, maybe you disagree?

"you had to have some service do it for you. "

actually i filled out the auction number, my user id, my password, my maximum bid and then clicked the "place bid" button. seems to me that i did the same amount of typing and clicking as you did? no one placed my bid for me, i placed it myself except i used this marvelous thing called modern technology to delay and enter my bid at a certain time.

"it makes me feel like the bigger man for having enough patience and responsibility to pay attention to it rather than have someone else do it for me."

patience? me placing my bid through esnipe did not end the auction any sooner, in fact i placed that bid at the beginning of the auction before you bid so i may very well have had more time to wait than you did.

responsibility? ill admit it, im absent minded sometimes and forget stuff. but when it comes to responsibility i believe working to support myself, instead of mooching off mom and dad, and going to college to become an engineer, so i can one day support a family and my hobbies, are much more of a responsibility than bidding on a ****ing auction. that is what i put my effort into, not sitting looking at ebay all day.

i pity the fact that you believe youre the "bigger man" for sitting and oogling over an auction day and night. well guess what? we both watched and drooled over the auction. we both placed a bid manually ourselves on our computers. we both had to wait to the end to see the results. but what differed is the fact that your maximum bid was 135, whereas mine was in the vicinity of 160 something. seems to me that you are a sore loser and have to point fingers as to the reason you lost the auction, when in reality you have only yourself to blame for not bidding enough.

and thank you all i will enjoy the kickpanels and let you all know how they sound.

Alexis · 05-14-2002, 03:40 AM

preach it!!!!!!

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Jessica: 1967 2wd SWB (not yet decided on furture)
Helga: 1972 4x4 3/4ton LWB (going to go too)

AIM:Alexmart1
Mountain View, Cali

Dim · 05-14-2002, 04:07 AM

I'm almost certain this kind of argument has presents itself on daily basis between fellow eBay auctioneers

What is there to argu...best bid won.

D!m, sticking his nose into other peoples business, sorry.

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71Chev · 05-14-2002, 07:49 AM

Hey dropped...where can I get more info on esnipe??? Sounds great to me.
And congrats on your snipe!

Email me some esnipe info.

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Frank_Zeller · 05-14-2002, 08:02 AM

Dropped72, What’s the model number for the pioneer speakers? or........could you measure the max mounting please.

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johnnyp · 05-14-2002, 08:16 AM

http://www.esnipe.com/

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05-13-2002, 05:32 PM	#1
dropped72shortbed Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 303	lookie what the UPS man bringeth! (kick panels with speakers) these are made by custom auto sound. i got em off ebay new for $137 with the upgraded pioneer 130watt speakers but you can buy them direct for like $129 with the lower speakers or $189 for the pioneers. if you guys were lookin for kick panels speakers for your older trucks these are really nice, if you have no clue about fiberglassing your own stuff these are for you, i think you can even get them without speakers for only $80 or something. cant wait to hook them up in my 72 and actually have some tunes in my truck for gods sake __________________ Blake A. - Huntington Beach CA 72 c10 swb 5/5 drop, 350/350, partialy shaved, soon to be 5/7 on 20s.

05-13-2002, 05:39 PM	#2
71402BB now thats a true COON DOG Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Franconia, NH Posts: 1,977	Cool, I also have them in my 71 and I love them. they sound pretty good to (if your truck isn't really loud inside the cab....) ------------------ 71 SWB Stepside, was a 250, now is a 402 Big Block with 4 speed and 3.73's 72 LWB 4x4 350 4-speed 3.08's posi wearing army olive drab green (SOLD!) 68 BURB 50TH LOOKALIKE with built 350 4-speed 4.11's and posi __________________ current project 67 402BB stout th350 3.08's with a locker. Plan on tubs 18.5's out back! (thanks Burnsman!) 71 SWB Stepside, was a 250, now is a 402 Big Block with 4 speed and 3.73's ( was crushed by a tree, bed sold, motor pulled) was my first truck!... oh well... 72 LWB 4x4 350 4-speed 3.08's posi wearing army olive drab green (SOLD!) 68 BURB 50TH LOOKALIKE work in progress, soon to have 250-I6 with a 3-speed on the tree 4.11's and posi ( currently sitting in back yard tarped awaiting time, $$$, and lots of love!) 67 1 TON- work truck 396 sm 420 4-speed, flat bed 4.57 gears "big red" (my first landscape truck, very rusty and crusty! but still gets the job done when needed!)

05-13-2002, 05:43 PM	#3
Narkoleptik 69 GMC LWB FLEET Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tucson, Az, USA Posts: 108	I was highest bidder on those! >=( __________________ TUCSON, AZ

05-13-2002, 05:49 PM	#4
dropped72shortbed Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 303	"I was highest bidder on those! >=(" not on these.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eb...603716&r=0&t=0 __________________ Blake A. - Huntington Beach CA 72 c10 swb 5/5 drop, 350/350, partialy shaved, soon to be 5/7 on 20s.

05-13-2002, 05:52 PM	#6
Narkoleptik 69 GMC LWB FLEET Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tucson, Az, USA Posts: 108	i was highest bidder till the last 5 seconds __________________ TUCSON, AZ

05-13-2002, 05:50 PM	#5
LT-102 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Greenville, Oh USA Posts: 166	Be sure to let us know how they sound when you get them installed.

05-13-2002, 05:54 PM	#7
dropped72shortbed Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 303	dosent matter when you bid, the highest bidder still wins, your max was $135, mine was higher, sorry.... __________________ Blake A. - Huntington Beach CA 72 c10 swb 5/5 drop, 350/350, partialy shaved, soon to be 5/7 on 20s.

05-13-2002, 05:57 PM	#8
Narkoleptik 69 GMC LWB FLEET Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tucson, Az, USA Posts: 108	i just thought it was EXTREMELY LAME of you to do that... NUFF SAID __________________ TUCSON, AZ

05-13-2002, 06:06 PM	#9
68SWB4x4 Strongman Garage Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Salinas, CA Posts: 10,241	well tell us how they work installed.... i think there real cool and no crying about someone sniping you on ebay.... its just stupid if you were willing to pay more you should have put a higher max bid..... if you think sniping is lame than you shouldnt even be looking on ebay, its part of the game everything i buy off ebay i snipe, why? because i can get it cheaper that way than placing a max bid and someone else going and bumping it up with alot of time left.... now someone that uses sniping tools to win a auction i agree thats cheap ------------------ My Truck pictures www.xframeimpala.com 68 4x4 short fleetside 327 CH465 edelbrock intake and carb MSD distributor its the "SHAGROLET" 56 big window short stepside 235 dual 1 brls 64ImpalaSS 327 70 C10 LWB fleetside custom/10 350/TH350 IM me on aol SN= SHAGROLET __________________ Kalle 68 GMC Suburban 1500 4x4 SOLD 69 Pontiac Lemans 99 Silverado 4.8 5 speed ECSB [ Facebook Instagram Subscribe on YOUTUBE

05-13-2002, 06:11 PM	#10
Narkoleptik 69 GMC LWB FLEET Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tucson, Az, USA Posts: 108	i'm not about to talk crap to an admin... ok, ok, I will admit, I'm brooding and I should have raised my max bid... sorry for snapping at you dropped72shortbed... hope they sound good in your truck, let us know... __________________ TUCSON, AZ

05-13-2002, 06:30 PM	#11
dropped72shortbed Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 303	i used esnipe for it and im not ashamed to say that i did. the key reason i like to use esnipe is that i can place my bid on their servers and then cancel it later on if i decide i dont really want it. i used to just sit and wait myself to the last 2 min and bid but sometimes i would forget an auction was ending that i wanted to bid on. so i used this for the 2 simple reasons 1. theres no point in me bidding at the beggining and just upping the prices. 2. i like the fact that i can place my bid and then think about it for a few days and a few hours before the auction ends i can change my mind and cancel the bid. i dont understand why people get so upset over getting "sniped". the simple fact is the highest bidder wins. if you lose to a sniper then A. you werent willing to spend as much as the other guy or B. you were a schmuck and didnt bid as much as you really were willing to spend. ive used esnipe before and still lost auctions, why? cause someone was willing to pay more than me and im fine with that. just because i use esnipe doesnt guarantee i win anything, i just find it alot more convenient for the reason that i can change my mind and cancel a bid, which is alot better than placing bids and then retracting them... __________________ Blake A. - Huntington Beach CA 72 c10 swb 5/5 drop, 350/350, partialy shaved, soon to be 5/7 on 20s.

05-13-2002, 06:42 PM	#12
bigvinnie Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: escondido, ca 92026 Posts: 1,222	snipe or be sniped... __________________ '72 short step, 350, 700R4, tilt, ps, pdb, a/c, lowered coils, etc., other work in progress... San Diego, CA 72 Stepside Project

05-13-2002, 06:49 PM	#13
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05-13-2002, 08:00 PM	#14
72chevyLWB Got 20's???? Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Aberdeen SD Posts: 1,451	take a pic of how close the parking brake comes to hitting the speaker since its up that high. ------------------ 72 Chevy C/10 87 Chevy Silverado 4X4 www.geocities.com/chevylwb/chevylwb.html Aberdeen South Dakota WANTED: Drop Spindles F/S: rebuilt Turbo 400 & Aluminum wheels w/ tires __________________ 99 Silverado Ex-Cab 2wd, Bagged&WhippleCharged 02 Sierra Ex-Cab 4wd 2500 HD The 72 went down the road.

05-13-2002, 08:14 PM	#15
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05-13-2002, 09:02 PM	#16
Narkoleptik 69 GMC LWB FLEET Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tucson, Az, USA Posts: 108	i retract what i said earlier about my being sorry then... the whole point of ebay is to bid on items and watch what happens, not have some AUTOMATIC bidding service do it for you, lamer. I sat there for 5 days being the high bidder. I watched, and I wanted it bad enough to have it on my mind and check it everychance I got. It goes to show how lazy people are becoming now, you had to have some service do it for you. I should have put the max I wanted to pay but I'm glad you won that auction, it makes me feel like the bigger man for having enough patience and responsibility to pay attention to it rather than have someone else do it for me. __________________ TUCSON, AZ

05-13-2002, 09:06 PM	#17
Alexis Member since 2000 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Mountain View Ca / Mexico Posts: 7,879	hehehe, someones mighty jealous, good score man. yeah tell us how good they sound ------------------ Britney: 1970 2wd K/5 Blazer (gots to go) Jessica: 1967 2wd SWB (not yet decided on furture) Helga: 1972 4x4 3/4ton LWB (going to go too) AIM:Alexmart1 Mountain View, Cali

05-13-2002, 09:14 PM	#18
Narkoleptik 69 GMC LWB FLEET Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tucson, Az, USA Posts: 108	not jealous anymore, now that i know he had to have someone else do it for him... I'm not gonna say ANYTHING else about it... =) __________________ TUCSON, AZ

05-13-2002, 10:00 PM	#19
Alexis Member since 2000 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Mountain View Ca / Mexico Posts: 7,879	yeah, he still got them though, smart buyer. getting someone else to get it. nice ------------------ Britney: 1970 2wd K/5 Blazer (gots to go) Jessica: 1967 2wd SWB (not yet decided on furture) Helga: 1972 4x4 3/4ton LWB (going to go too) AIM:Alexmart1 Mountain View, Cali

05-13-2002, 11:08 PM	#20
dropped72shortbed Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 303	Narkoleptik, i have come to the conclusion that you are a complete imbecile. "the whole point of ebay is to bid on items and watch what happens" and this holds true to everyone because you are god and have set forth the commandments for using ebay? no, that is not the point to ebay, that is your opinion of ebay, just like my opinion is that ebay is for buying and selling items in an auction type fashion "I sat there for 5 days being the high bidder. I watched, and I wanted it bad enough to have it on my mind and check it every chance I got" you know what? i sat there for 5+ days too, i watched, i bid too, i wanted it bad as well! but OBVIOUSLY you didnt want it as bad as i did or you would have bid higher, no? "It goes to show how lazy people are becoming now" i see we have a disagreement in beliefs here, last time i checked being a full time college student with 14 units a week as well as working 2 different part time jobs would make me the opposite of lazy, maybe you disagree? "you had to have some service do it for you. " actually i filled out the auction number, my user id, my password, my maximum bid and then clicked the "place bid" button. seems to me that i did the same amount of typing and clicking as you did? no one placed my bid for me, i placed it myself except i used this marvelous thing called modern technology to delay and enter my bid at a certain time. "it makes me feel like the bigger man for having enough patience and responsibility to pay attention to it rather than have someone else do it for me." patience? me placing my bid through esnipe did not end the auction any sooner, in fact i placed that bid at the beginning of the auction before you bid so i may very well have had more time to wait than you did. responsibility? ill admit it, im absent minded sometimes and forget stuff. but when it comes to responsibility i believe working to support myself, instead of mooching off mom and dad, and going to college to become an engineer, so i can one day support a family and my hobbies, are much more of a responsibility than bidding on a ****ing auction. that is what i put my effort into, not sitting looking at ebay all day. i pity the fact that you believe youre the "bigger man" for sitting and oogling over an auction day and night. well guess what? we both watched and drooled over the auction. we both placed a bid manually ourselves on our computers. we both had to wait to the end to see the results. but what differed is the fact that your maximum bid was 135, whereas mine was in the vicinity of 160 something. seems to me that you are a sore loser and have to point fingers as to the reason you lost the auction, when in reality you have only yourself to blame for not bidding enough. and thank you all i will enjoy the kickpanels and let you all know how they sound. __________________ Blake A. - Huntington Beach CA 72 c10 swb 5/5 drop, 350/350, partialy shaved, soon to be 5/7 on 20s.

05-14-2002, 03:40 AM	#21
Alexis Member since 2000 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Mountain View Ca / Mexico Posts: 7,879	preach it!!!!!! ------------------ Britney: 1970 2wd K/5 Blazer (gots to go) Jessica: 1967 2wd SWB (not yet decided on furture) Helga: 1972 4x4 3/4ton LWB (going to go too) AIM:Alexmart1 Mountain View, Cali

05-14-2002, 04:07 AM	#22
Dim Tha Russian Canadian Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Lethbridge, AB Posts: 358	I'm almost certain this kind of argument has presents itself on daily basis between fellow eBay auctioneers What is there to argu...best bid won. D!m, sticking his nose into other peoples business, sorry. ------------------ BlueStreak 69 Chevy C10 - (Under Construction) pos_8@hotmail.com __________________ Dimitri Lethbridge, Alberta 69 Chevy C10 - (Under Construction) pos_8@hotmail.com

05-14-2002, 07:49 AM	#23
71Chev Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,074	Hey dropped...where can I get more info on esnipe??? Sounds great to me. And congrats on your snipe! Email me some esnipe info. ------------------ 71 Chevy CST Long Fleet 350/350/3.07 leaf rear. __________________ 71 Chevy CST Long Fleet 350/350/3.07 leaf rear.

05-14-2002, 08:02 AM	#24
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05-14-2002, 08:16 AM	#25
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