Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

*Dylan · 08-06-2008, 02:39 PM

Okay, well my front driver side wheel is loose, the hub and all. Me and my dad figured it was the wheel bearings, so we went out and bought the bearing and put it in, that's a no go. It didn't do anything for the wiggle in the wheel. When I drove it I hear like a grinding kind of noise due to the wheel shaking I suppose. Is there any way I could fix this loose hub, and what do I have to do?

Bus Ted Knuckle · 08-06-2008, 03:03 PM

did you replace both the inner and outer? did you snug the nut until you did not have any play?

*Dylan · 08-06-2008, 03:06 PM

Yeah, I replaced both bearings, and I can't picture what nut you're talking about, I'll go pull the wheel off and give it a look right now.

**steelhorse** · 08-06-2008, 03:10 PM

There should be a big washer and a nut outside of the outer bearing.It should also have a cotter pin in it to keep it from backing off.

bdydrp97s10 · 08-06-2008, 03:11 PM

the nut in the center that holds the whole hub assembly on is what we are refereing to

*Dylan · 08-06-2008, 03:58 PM

Thanks guys, the nut was it, I guess I just didn't tighten it enough when I was putting it all back together. All the slop is gone now!

Thanks again,
Dylan

Luvlegs · 08-06-2008, 05:23 PM

I swear I just read somewhere to tighten it to 12ftlbs and no more - rotate the wheel to seat the bearings, back the nut off and then only hand tighten it and then put the cotter pin in. I think it was in a haynes manual if I'm not mistaken.

chevy_mike · 08-06-2008, 05:47 PM

Don't overtighten the wheel bearing nut or you will toast your new bearing very quickly. If you don't know what the specs are or are not familar with how it should "feel", get a shop manual and do it right.

*Dylan · 08-06-2008, 07:08 PM

So now I have a new problem... It has nothing to do with the wheels, so off that topic. I started it up today and I was sitting there revving it some and warming the engine up. Well I went and revved it a little and the engine just died. I figured it may be the fuel pump, checked it, it's good. Then checked the ignition coil, well it's not putting off any spark so we were like hey, get a new coil. We go to advance and get a new coil, put it on, still no spark coming out of the coil to the distributor. We checked and the coil is getting power, it's just not putting any out. For the life of us we can't figure out why not. Anyone have any advice on this?

**El Jay** · 08-06-2008, 07:25 PM

Did you check the points?

If they're not opening (or closing) you won't get any spark.

**john** · 08-06-2008, 07:27 PM

Did you check the points and condensor? If the points are closed or burned the condensor is shot you will not have any fire from the coil.

*Dylan · 08-06-2008, 09:39 PM

Well the points are in the distributor, and there's no power getting to the distributor, so why is the power not coming out of the coil?

**truckdude239** · 08-06-2008, 10:38 PM

if you points are burned out it will not have power to the coil, the distributor feeds the coil

*Dylan · 08-06-2008, 11:11 PM

I thought it was the starter that fed the coil and the coil fed the distributor, which distributed the sparks to the plugs. Why would it go backwards and feed the coil? I'm just completely lost. I'll most certainly have to look at the points tomorrow though.

**truckdude239** · 08-07-2008, 07:16 AM

the black wire off your points goes to your coil on the neg side of the coil if your points are burned out they will not ground out and the coil will not fire

**VetteVet** · 08-07-2008, 08:27 AM

Check this out.

http://abbysenior.com/mechanics/ignition.htm

68gmsee · 08-07-2008, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VetteVet

Check this out.
http://abbysenior.com/mechanics/ignition.htm

Great site... Really explains the system in detail for those that are not familiar with the way points work on the older models. Here's an excerpt.

So when the points are closed and the ignition switch is turned on, a magnetic field is built up around the coil. When the points are opened by the distributor cam, electrons can no longer flow, so the magnetic field collapses toward the center of the coil at the speed of light. When it collapses, it moves through the secondary coil. Since the secondary coil has so many turns of wire, and the speed of the magnetic field is so high, a great deal of voltage is induced into it.

*Dylan · 08-07-2008, 03:09 PM

Oh okay, I think I see what you're talking about on the ground where the negative wire leads into the distributor. I'm going to check that either later tonight or if I can't get to it tonight it's going to have to be on Tuesday when I get back from vacation. Thanks for the help guys, I'll keep y'all updated.

Edit: just read through the stuff on that link, it makes a whole lot more sense now.

"The points are not anything mysterious. they are simply a mechanical switch that turns on and off the ignition coil. The are opened by the distributor cam, and closed by the point spring. When they are closed, the electricity flows from the battery to the ignition switch on the steering column, to the positive side of the primary coil, and across the points to ground. The only way the electricity can get to ground is across the points, so when the points open, electrons can no longer flow and the magnetic field around the coil collapses."

Thanks a million for the link.

*Dylan · 08-13-2008, 02:02 PM

It was the points guys. Thanks for the help and my truck lives once again

68gmsee · 08-13-2008, 02:13 PM

It'n it great!

Simple concept and worked for over 100 years. My great uncle used to say, mules and horses worked for thousands of years, why'd they have to complicate things.

08-06-2008, 02:39 PM	#1
*Dylan Mean Buzzin' Half Dozen Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,081	Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings Okay, well my front driver side wheel is loose, the hub and all. Me and my dad figured it was the wheel bearings, so we went out and bought the bearing and put it in, that's a no go. It didn't do anything for the wiggle in the wheel. When I drove it I hear like a grinding kind of noise due to the wheel shaking I suppose. Is there any way I could fix this loose hub, and what do I have to do? __________________ "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." MY TRUCK (Now for sale) 1967 C10 SWB *Dylan* IIMY?

08-06-2008, 03:03 PM	#2
Bus Ted Knuckle Son of a gun Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hot Springs, Arkansas Posts: 1,636	Re: Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings did you replace both the inner and outer? did you snug the nut until you did not have any play? __________________ Bill BEATERS ARE NEATER

08-06-2008, 03:06 PM	#3
*Dylan Mean Buzzin' Half Dozen Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,081	Re: Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings Yeah, I replaced both bearings, and I can't picture what nut you're talking about, I'll go pull the wheel off and give it a look right now. __________________ "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." MY TRUCK (Now for sale) 1967 C10 SWB *Dylan* IIMY?

08-06-2008, 03:10 PM	#4
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Franklinton NC Posts: 1,309	Re: Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings There should be a big washer and a nut outside of the outer bearing.It should also have a cotter pin in it to keep it from backing off.

08-06-2008, 03:11 PM	#5
bdydrp97s10 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Johnson City TN Posts: 570	Re: Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings the nut in the center that holds the whole hub assembly on is what we are refereing to __________________ My build thread--http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=300333

08-06-2008, 03:58 PM	#6
*Dylan Mean Buzzin' Half Dozen Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,081	Re: Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings Thanks guys, the nut was it, I guess I just didn't tighten it enough when I was putting it all back together. All the slop is gone now! Thanks again, Dylan __________________ "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." MY TRUCK (Now for sale) 1967 C10 SWB *Dylan* IIMY?

08-06-2008, 05:23 PM	#7
Luvlegs Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Smith Mountain Lake Virginia Posts: 1,537	Re: Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings I swear I just read somewhere to tighten it to 12ftlbs and no more - rotate the wheel to seat the bearings, back the nut off and then only hand tighten it and then put the cotter pin in. I think it was in a haynes manual if I'm not mistaken. __________________ "A cat will almost always blink when hit between the eyes with a ball peen hammer" (you don't always have to state the obvious) Wear your PPE! You can eat with false teeth but you can't see with a false eye. 1959 Studebaker Silverhawk 350/400 1972 C10 L6 3OTT 2005 F350 - Built - whew!

08-06-2008, 05:47 PM	#8
chevy_mike Never Ending Projects Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,836	Re: Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings Don't overtighten the wheel bearing nut or you will toast your new bearing very quickly. If you don't know what the specs are or are not familar with how it should "feel", get a shop manual and do it right. __________________ . 1965 C10 Panel, Tiki Express http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=506580 SOLD 1968 Chevy C10, Long, Fleetside, Hot Rod Hauler http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=313233 SOLD 1965 Chevy C10, Long, Fleetside, Hot Rod C10 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=415702 SOLD We were given two ears and one mouth for a reason... listen twice as much and speak half as often...

08-06-2008, 07:08 PM	#9
*Dylan Mean Buzzin' Half Dozen Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,081	Re: Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings So now I have a new problem... It has nothing to do with the wheels, so off that topic. I started it up today and I was sitting there revving it some and warming the engine up. Well I went and revved it a little and the engine just died. I figured it may be the fuel pump, checked it, it's good. Then checked the ignition coil, well it's not putting off any spark so we were like hey, get a new coil. We go to advance and get a new coil, put it on, still no spark coming out of the coil to the distributor. We checked and the coil is getting power, it's just not putting any out. For the life of us we can't figure out why not. Anyone have any advice on this? __________________ "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." MY TRUCK (Now for sale) 1967 C10 SWB *Dylan* IIMY?

08-06-2008, 07:25 PM	#10
El Jay Gone to greener pastures Join Date: May 2007 Location: Gateway to the Delta Posts: 7,354	Re: Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings Did you check the points? If they're not opening (or closing) you won't get any spark. __________________ '69 Chevy 1/2 T LWB Stepper: Daily Beater '72 GMC 3/4 T Fleet: Another Daily Beater '72 Plymouth Gran Coupe: ? "Ah women. They make the highs higher and the lows more frequent." Friedrich Nietzsche "Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day." Harry S. Truman GUN CONTROL: Never having to say, "I missed you." Always fire two warning shots into your attacker's chest area before putting a bullet between his eyes. Paraphrased from Louis Awerbuck

08-06-2008, 07:27 PM	#11
john member #16 Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Yuba City Ca. Posts: 3,618	Re: Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings Did you check the points and condensor? If the points are closed or burned the condensor is shot you will not have any fire from the coil. __________________ john http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showgroups.php board vendors http://www.flickr.com/photos/1745471...7602865984234/

08-06-2008, 09:39 PM	#12
*Dylan Mean Buzzin' Half Dozen Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,081	Re: Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings Well the points are in the distributor, and there's no power getting to the distributor, so why is the power not coming out of the coil? __________________ "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." MY TRUCK (Now for sale) 1967 C10 SWB *Dylan* IIMY?

08-06-2008, 10:38 PM	#13
truckdude239 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lewisville, Nc Posts: 10,233	Re: Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings if you points are burned out it will not have power to the coil, the distributor feeds the coil __________________ David fuller Ase Certified Mechanic Click here to help support our board!! 1971 Chevy c-10 under going a 4.8l LSx swap Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=421305 2007 Honda Accord my daily 145kmiles 2002 Honda Accord 4 door With 330k(sisters car) 2005 toyota Avalon 228k( brothers car) 2002 Sububran 5.3 245k 2000 Tahoe 5.3l 378 General manager for Marco's Carwash & lube Last edited by truckdude239; 08-06-2008 at 10:38 PM.

08-06-2008, 11:11 PM	#14
*Dylan Mean Buzzin' Half Dozen Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,081	Re: Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings I thought it was the starter that fed the coil and the coil fed the distributor, which distributed the sparks to the plugs. Why would it go backwards and feed the coil? I'm just completely lost. I'll most certainly have to look at the points tomorrow though. __________________ "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." MY TRUCK (Now for sale) 1967 C10 SWB *Dylan* IIMY?

08-07-2008, 07:16 AM	#15
truckdude239 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lewisville, Nc Posts: 10,233	Re: Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings the black wire off your points goes to your coil on the neg side of the coil if your points are burned out they will not ground out and the coil will not fire __________________ David fuller Ase Certified Mechanic Click here to help support our board!! 1971 Chevy c-10 under going a 4.8l LSx swap Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=421305 2007 Honda Accord my daily 145kmiles 2002 Honda Accord 4 door With 330k(sisters car) 2005 toyota Avalon 228k( brothers car) 2002 Sububran 5.3 245k 2000 Tahoe 5.3l 378 General manager for Marco's Carwash & lube Last edited by truckdude239; 08-07-2008 at 07:16 AM.



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08-07-2008, 08:27 AM	#16
VetteVet Msgt USAF Ret Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan Posts: 8,709	Re: Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings Check this out. http://abbysenior.com/mechanics/ignition.htm __________________ VetteVet metallic green 67 stepside 74 corvette convertible 1965 Harley sportster 1995 Harley wide glide Growing old is hell, but it beats the alternative.

08-07-2008, 03:09 PM	#18
*Dylan Mean Buzzin' Half Dozen Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,081	Re: Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings Oh okay, I think I see what you're talking about on the ground where the negative wire leads into the distributor. I'm going to check that either later tonight or if I can't get to it tonight it's going to have to be on Tuesday when I get back from vacation. Thanks for the help guys, I'll keep y'all updated. Edit: just read through the stuff on that link, it makes a whole lot more sense now. "The points are not anything mysterious. they are simply a mechanical switch that turns on and off the ignition coil. The are opened by the distributor cam, and closed by the point spring. When they are closed, the electricity flows from the battery to the ignition switch on the steering column, to the positive side of the primary coil, and across the points to ground. The only way the electricity can get to ground is across the points, so when the points open, electrons can no longer flow and the magnetic field around the coil collapses." Thanks a million for the link. __________________ "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." MY TRUCK (Now for sale) 1967 C10 SWB *Dylan* IIMY? Last edited by Dylan; 08-07-2008 at 03:26 PM.*

08-13-2008, 02:02 PM	#19
*Dylan Mean Buzzin' Half Dozen Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,081	Re: Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings It was the points guys. Thanks for the help and my truck lives once again __________________ "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." MY TRUCK (Now for sale) 1967 C10 SWB *Dylan* IIMY?

08-13-2008, 02:13 PM	#20
68gmsee Active Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Centrally located between Houston, Austin and Waco. BCS area. Posts: 7,947	Re: Loose Wheel Hub, Not the Bearings It'n it great! Simple concept and worked for over 100 years. My great uncle used to say, mules and horses worked for thousands of years, why'd they have to complicate things.

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