![]() |
![]() |
#1 |
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Townsend MT
Posts: 1,725
|
The Infamous FRAM
Why are Fram filters so despised? What are the best oil filters to run?
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#2 |
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 264
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
Because they use/did use cardboard inside their filters and were notorious for coming apart and sending said cardboard through your motor..
Posted via Mobile Device |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#3 |
Senior Member
![]() Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: New Madison, Ohio
Posts: 21,365
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
Here you go... I hope this helps
![]() http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...ad.php?t=24935 http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=323538 http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=285422
__________________
A husband can be right...or...A husband can be happy. ![]() 67-72 Chevy and GMC Trucks...The Classic Truck for the Classic Folk. ![]() 1970 CST Two tone green, 402BB, 400 Automatic, Tach, Buckets, AC, AM-FM, Tilt, GM CB, GM 8 Tract, LWB, etc ![]() ![]() JOHN 17:3...The better side of "LIFE" Remember: Everyday is a good day...Some are just gooder! |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#4 |
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Johnson City Tennessee
Posts: 1,188
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
ac delco pf 1218 all the way never a orange can of death if ac delco filters are good enough for gm to use i will use them as well nothing else will go on my gm cars/trucks but an ac delco
__________________
Greater love hath no man than to lay down his life for a friend. Members i Have met Earl Slick68 1969 Stepside Build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=1#post4253546 ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#5 |
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Rolla, MO
Posts: 2,463
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
I've used Fram for years and never had a problem.
Here is a link I found upon Googling "oil filter manufacturers". It has some pretty good info: http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/index.html
__________________
-Scott- Last edited by sjarrett71; 07-02-2011 at 11:25 PM. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#6 |
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Townsend MT
Posts: 1,725
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
Are Napa Gold filters any good?
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#7 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 4,093
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
Ams oil filters the best of best, next in line wix. Won't ever use anything else other than ams oil filters an if they don't have what I need I go to wix. Run them in quads, cars, diesel, anything I have or work on.
Posted via Mobile Device
__________________
1969 Chevy c20(Miss Hackjob) |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#8 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Brookings, SD
Posts: 10,497
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
__________________
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't good for anything, but you can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#9 |
its all about the +6 inches
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Hilliard Ohio
Posts: 2,693
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
napa gold is a rebadged Wix, a very good high quality filter.
I didn't believe the hype on the fram sucks, so i bought a fram, and a napa gold, and cut them both open. Doing so made a believer out of me. Fram sucks. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#10 |
20' Daredevil (Ret)
![]() Join Date: May 2003
Location: Jefferson State
Posts: 13,643
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
I ran Fram filters for a lot of years with no problems. After reading bad press all over the 'net, I now use NAPA Gold... as Andy said, they are repackaged Wix filters, and very good.
__________________
- Mike - 1972 K20 LWB 350/350/205 RIP El Jay |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#11 |
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Loveland, CO
Posts: 1,921
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
Mobil 1 oil filters are also really good. Expensive, but you get what you pay for...
__________________
Zach 1970 Chevrolet Custom Camper K20 1971 GMC Super K2500, 12V/NV4500 swap in progress 1971 Chevrolet Custom C10 1972 Chevrolet Custom Deluxe C20, 5.3/4L60E 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, 455/TH400, 3.73 posi 2004 GMC Sierra 2500HD, LB7/Allison, CCSB 2005 GMC Sierra 1500, 5.3/4L60E, CCSB |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#12 |
Moderator
![]() Join Date: May 2007
Location: Southern Cal
Posts: 20,005
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
Fram is not what it used to be back in the day. Years ago, my dad had an 87 Dodge Ram pickup (beater/driver). After numerous bad experiences at the Jiffy Lubes, he opted to change the oil himself, just like all his older cars and hot rods. He experienced super low oil pressure, and asked around as to why all of the sudden? Someone asked him if he was using Fram oil filters, and he was... After changing to another brand, oil pressure was restored immediately.
Fram sucks.
__________________
1972 C/10 Cheyenne Super SWB. Restored, loaded, slammed. 1968 C/10 50th Anniversary LWB. Unrestored, stock, daily driver/work truck. RIP ElJay RIP 67ChevyRedneck RIP Grumpy Old Man |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#13 |
Account Suspended
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Bessemer City, NC
Posts: 347
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
Yes napa or wix, and yes napa is a wix filter anyway, and my brother-in-law has work for Wix for 32 yrs. I always run Wix in my rides.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#14 |
Senior Member
![]() Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Tucson, AZ USA
Posts: 7,280
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
I use the Wix 51060 or 51061. I think NAPA drops the "5", so its 1060, 1061. Equivalent to the old AC/ Delco PF35 (tall 1 Qt). [Come to think of it ... I have not seen an AC/Delco PF35 in years.]
I run both an L6 292 (modified), and a V8 350 crate motor. I use the same filters for either.
__________________
Every 25 years I like to rebuild that 292, whether it needs it or not. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#15 |
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: konawa ok/oakdale Ca.
Posts: 1,652
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
I always thought fram was the best.I run them on all my vehicles.I put 60,000 on my daily driver with nothing but fram filters and no major engine problems so far.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#16 |
Senior Member
![]() Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: New Madison, Ohio
Posts: 21,365
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
Hey all...very very good info. Good thread
![]()
__________________
A husband can be right...or...A husband can be happy. ![]() 67-72 Chevy and GMC Trucks...The Classic Truck for the Classic Folk. ![]() 1970 CST Two tone green, 402BB, 400 Automatic, Tach, Buckets, AC, AM-FM, Tilt, GM CB, GM 8 Tract, LWB, etc ![]() ![]() JOHN 17:3...The better side of "LIFE" Remember: Everyday is a good day...Some are just gooder! |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#17 |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Pasadena,Tx /Pto Pta DR
Posts: 5,415
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
I read an article on filter tests but can't remember where but as far as filtration the Purolator filters filtered to 28 microns which were the best of any manufacturer.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#18 |
BlahBlahBlah
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Wa.
Posts: 19,874
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
I use Napa gold because I was told they were a premium filter. But if Fram filters are so bad how are they able to sell bazillions of them year after year?
__________________
… … … … … … … … ... … … … … … … … … … … … |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#19 | ||
just can't cover up my redneck
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Columbus OH
Posts: 11,414
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
Quote:
If you ask an older person, they may know Purolator "Pure oil now, Pure oil later"....maybe
__________________
You can review the site's rules here. Quote:
Bad planning on your part does not necessarily constitute an instant emergency on my part.... The great thing about being a pessimist is that you are either pleasantly surprised or right. ![]() |
||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#20 |
its all about the +6 inches
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Hilliard Ohio
Posts: 2,693
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
Millions of fram filters have been used "without a problem".
I've been smoking a pack a day for 23 years now... and have had no problems. All either one means is no problem has been detected... YET. the car companies took fram to court over there low quality. I don't know which companies, but some of the automakers did in fact do it. They were denying engine waranty claims if fram filters were being used. A high court decided that fram was 'good enough', and any auto maker that tells you you can't use xxxx filter, will have to provide you one of there filters to you, free of charge. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#21 |
PROJECT 7DEUCE
![]() Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: GRANTS PASS OR
Posts: 21,608
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
I was always a fram guy untill I joined the board and read a few bad reviews then I switched to wix about 2 years ago...
__________________
GO BIG GREEN ![]() MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P.. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#22 |
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Tampa Bay
Posts: 1,549
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
1)The Fram filter cartridge has a small outside diameter with a low filter element surface area, 193 sqin. Wix surface area is 349 sqin.
2)Fram has CARDBOARD end caps. They deteriorate, metal doesn't. 3) The rubber anti-drainback valve seals the rough metal backplate to the CARDBOARD end cap. In practice these seem to leak, causing dirty oil to drain back into the pan. 4) The bypass valves are plastic and are sometimes not molded correctly, which allows them to leak when they should be closed. (at start up) 5)The backplate has smaller and fewer oil inlet holes, which restricts flow.
__________________
CHEVY/GMC VIN DECODERS |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#23 |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Pasadena,Tx /Pto Pta DR
Posts: 5,415
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
I have been in a whole bunch of chemical plants the past 40 years and the vast majority of lube oil units I saw had WIX filters. thats where i first heard of them. I figured if they use them to protect machinery that costs $100,000 and up they must be good.
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#24 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Valley Center KS
Posts: 3,525
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
I used to use frams with no problems, but since I've learned better I switched to ACdelco, but now I've been using Mobil 1 filters (and oil)
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#25 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Pasadena,Tx /Pto Pta DR
Posts: 5,415
|
Re: The Infamous FRAM
Quote:
![]() |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Bookmarks |
|
|