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RocketKing · 08-29-2012, 09:46 AM

That looks fantastic!! You gotta be proud of that.

BTW, I just noticed your location, looks like I will be in your part of the world tomorrow, I have to pick my bedsides up from a sandblaster in Nixa.

**LEEVON** · 08-29-2012, 10:58 AM

What time? I live in Nixa, just down the road from at least one sandblaster. It would be nice to meet another board member and see the work you're getting done.

RocketKing · 08-29-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LEEVON

What time? I live in Nixa, just down the road from at least one sandblaster. It would be nice to meet another board member and see the work you're getting done.

I will be there around 9:30-10:00 am. The sandblaster I am going to has a shop on Kinder St, between 160 and Main St.

Tynee · 08-29-2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LEEVON

Truck is ready to run. I have hooked up the battery and turned the engine over with the HEI unplugged. I tried out the electrical stuff, no gremlins so far except a couple of lights out on the dash. I'm sure I'll find some electrical problem though.

I just need a leak watch helper tomorrow night to fire it up, oh and it must be done before it gets late (exhaust is still open). My neighbor came over and helped bleed the brakes and mount the front bumper. I installed the plug wires, using '75 corvette and they fit perfect, routed under the ram's horns hugging the block and up in the back. Much cleaner that way.

With luck I'll have it running well enough to get to my exhaust appointment Thursday!

I'd like to see pics of the plug wire routing, please?
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**LEEVON** · 08-29-2012, 02:40 PM

I'll get some. The 70's vettes had rams horns and HEI and the wires were routed under the manifolds. I used zip ties to put #'s 2 and 4 together with the starter wiring away from the exhaust, then another zip tie near the back of the head with a 2-8. Same for #1-7, only I had to put a zip tie around a block plug/bolt because there is no wiring on that side. So basically 4 zip ties and everything is tucked away at least 3-4" from exhaust.

Like this, post #22 but with HEI:

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=387485

70monte · 08-29-2012, 06:48 PM

It's good to see someone on here from Nixa. I own a house there even though I live in Aurora with my fiance. Very nice truck and great thread. I hope to have one of these trucks sometime soon to fix up. If you ever need any help with anything let me know.

Are you going to do the AC yourself or have someone else do it. I have all of the tools if you need some help and good score on the R12. I scored 50lbs of R12 last year for $250.

I did the DD thing years ago with my 70 Monte Carlo. From 87-93 when I bought a new truck. I got tired of DDing it because I was always working on it or fixing something. I probably have only put about 15,000 miles on the car since 93 when I had the body redone. I would like to drive it more but with a 396 BB and only about 10 mpg, it doesn't get driven much.

Anyway, good luck with getting everything figured out and maybe we can meet someday.

Wayne

**LEEVON** · 08-29-2012, 10:56 PM

Wayne, I'd like to take you up on that offer! I haven't worked on a/c before and my plan has been just to get everything installed, sealed and borrow or buy a vacuum pump but beyond that I'm not sure...so I'd love to have somebody with experience lend a hand. I've got to replace the A6 shaft seal first and get everything flushed and bolted back up.

70monte · 08-30-2012, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LEEVON

Wayne, I'd like to take you up on that offer! I haven't worked on a/c before and my plan has been just to get everything installed, sealed and borrow or buy a vacuum pump but beyond that I'm not sure...so I'd love to have somebody with experience lend a hand. I've got to replace the A6 shaft seal first and get everything flushed and bolted back up.

No problem, just PM me sometime. I have a vacuum pump and gauges for R12. Are you going to A-1 for your exhaust work? Mark that owns the place has a sweet yellow chevy truck of this generation. Not sure what year. He did the exhaust on my Monte years ago.

Wayne

**LEEVON** · 08-29-2012, 11:26 PM

Yep, that's about .3 miles from the house unfortunately I will be working but I can usually duck out for a bit depending on schedule. If you had 10 minutes to follow me to the exhaust shop that could be huge! It's really close but out of respect I can't bring myself to fire up the truck without exhaust in the AM or PM when everybody is home, plus the ride back to the house is difficult to coordinate. Would you mind PM'ing me your phone number?

BTW, Redline Finishes in Ozark which does very high end restorations including NCRS vettes uses the same blaster.

RocketKing · 08-29-2012, 11:31 PM

Sure. I'd be glad to help! PM headed your way.

**LEEVON** · 08-30-2012, 08:49 AM

Yep, Mark is the man and he's done work on my DD's. One of the first things I did when we moved here a year ago is scope out the shops and he is right at the top of the list. His truck is a '67 or '68 in a butternut yellow type color, and gets driven everyday unless he takes his wife's TBSS. I'll try and get some pics when I'm there.

70monte · 08-30-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LEEVON

Yep, Mark is the man and he's done work on my DD's. One of the first things I did when we moved here a year ago is scope out the shops and he is right at the top of the list. His truck is a '67 or '68 in a butternut yellow type color, and gets driven everyday unless he takes his wife's TBSS. I'll try and get some pics when I'm there.

I moved to Nixa in 1992 and it seems like I met Mark soon after that. He has owned his truck the entire time I have known him. He told me about the Trailblazer SS when I had the Flowmaster cat-back put on my 98 Chevy 1 ton truck with the 454. It sounded like he got a great deal on it.

Hopefully you can figure out your problem. It should be something simple. Take care.

Wayne

**LEEVON** · 08-30-2012, 02:57 PM

Well, suck. I couldn't get the truck started to get to the exhaust shop. Fuel but no fire and I'm scratching my head. The morning wasn't a total loss though, I got to meet Rex (RocketKing) and show off my junk to a fellow truck nut. Thanks for stopping by!

VA72C10 · 08-30-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LEEVON

Well, suck. I couldn't get the truck started to get to the exhaust shop. Fuel but no fire and I'm scratching my head. The morning wasn't a total loss though, I got to meet Rex (RocketKing) and show off my junk to a fellow truck nut. Thanks for stopping by!

That stinks...have you had a chance to trace it? did you change anything in the distributor? I know the module goes bad in those often...

or do you think there is a wire disconnected or crossed somewhere in the engine harness?

RocketKing · 08-30-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LEEVON

Well, suck. I couldn't get the truck started to get to the exhaust shop. Fuel but no fire and I'm scratching my head. The morning wasn't a total loss though, I got to meet Rex (RocketKing) and show off my junk to a fellow truck nut. Thanks for stopping by!

To bad we couldn't get to the exhaust shop but I was thrilled to see your project '50 and your "driver", don't let him kid you boys...the old girl is pretty sweet. Good luck with getting her started.

Now I am going to go find the other build thread! Great to meet you!

**LEEVON** · 08-30-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by VA72C10

That stinks...have you had a chance to trace it? did you change anything in the distributor? I know the module goes bad in those often...

or do you think there is a wire disconnected or crossed somewhere in the engine harness?

I didn't get a chance to troubleshoot since I just ducked out of the office for a while, but the ignition wiring is pretty simple. Then of course there is the module, and grounds to check. I didn't change anything at all with the distributor though so I wasn't expecting this. It will be easy enough to test that circuit and I'm sure I'll get it figured out tomorrow (day off).

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Originally Posted by VA72C10

Cool picture above...assuming that's the roller for the 50?

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Originally Posted by RocketKing

To bad we couldn't get to the exhaust shop but I was thrilled to see your project '50 and your "driver", don't let him kid you boys...the old girl is pretty sweet. Good luck with getting her started.

Now I am going to go find the other build thread! Great to meet you!

Yes, that's project "Popeye". Look no farther than the link in my signature!

VA72C10 · 08-30-2012, 03:01 PM

Cool picture above...assuming that's the roller for the 50?

**LEEVON** · 08-31-2012, 01:47 PM

This thing is about to get pushed over a cliff. I couldn't get fuel Thursday night, got that taken care of. No spark yesterday...verified 12v to the coil, diagnosed the pickup, module and cap. All were good but I replaced the capacitor and now I have spark. Then the positive wire to the starter moved and arc'ed to the solenoid. So that meant a new solenoid and cable (blew then end up) this morning. I have verified the distributor is stabbed correctly numerous times. I've checked my valve settings. I've advanced and retarded the timing.

I have a remote starter hooked up so I can see what's going on under the hood. I give it a little fuel, bump the starter and the manifolds will burp some flames but no start still. I'm getting frustrated.

I have a buddy coming over who builds engines, he should be able to give me a fresh perspective.

VA72C10 · 08-31-2012, 02:07 PM

hmm...sure sounds like distributor is 180 out or at least 1 tooth off...but you've checked that. Are all the plug wires on in the right order?

did you double check the grounds?

**LEEVON** · 08-31-2012, 02:52 PM

Just checked again, couldn't hurt. Distributor hits right on #1 at zero degrees with both intake and exhaust valves closed on the compression stroke. Plug wires are in order...grounds are all new (negative lead, block to firewall, block to frame, frame to firewall).

I'm wondering if I didn't mess the valve adjustment up and have them too tight creating a no-compression scenario? I have hydraulic lifters, they could have not been pumped up when I did this...hmmm. They should be pumped up now, I'm going to check the lash again!

**LEEVON** · 08-31-2012, 05:44 PM

It's alive. I had the valves adjusted wrong. Next stop, exhaust shop 8am.

Does anybody know why my tach is moving but only registering about 200rpm?

**LEEVON** · 08-31-2012, 07:14 PM

Moved outside under her own power for a quick hose-off.

VA72C10 · 08-31-2012, 08:00 PM

cool, looks great. Glad you got it figured out! On the tach, there is an adjustment under the sticker at the back, but was it working before everything? Was it hooked up when you had the short in the distributor? did you make sure the dash has the ground hooked up tight? I also always recommend adding an extra ground to the back extra post on the tach...just to be safe...

**LEEVON** · 08-31-2012, 11:08 PM

It was hooked up the whole time and working fine before. I'm thinking it's a ground issue...I also lost the gauge lights. No biggie, just happy she's running again!

**LEEVON** · 09-01-2012, 04:44 PM

Pics of the plug wires for Tynee

08-29-2012, 02:40 PM	#5
LEEVON Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ozark, MO Posts: 4,887	Re: Quest to DD my '71 again I'll get some. The 70's vettes had rams horns and HEI and the wires were routed under the manifolds. I used zip ties to put #'s 2 and 4 together with the starter wiring away from the exhaust, then another zip tie near the back of the head with a 2-8. Same for #1-7, only I had to put a zip tie around a block plug/bolt because there is no wiring on that side. So basically 4 zip ties and everything is tucked away at least 3-4" from exhaust. Like this, post #22 but with HEI: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=387485 __________________ '20 Silverado Trail Boss ~ '17 Tahoe ~ '79 K15 Sierra Grande ~ '76 Blazer 2wd ~ '71 Cheyenne swb ~ '55 Pontiac Safari ~'50 3100 bagged ~ '80 Wife ~ Late model kids Last edited by LEEVON; 08-29-2012 at 02:46 PM.

08-29-2012, 06:48 PM	#6
70monte Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Nixa, MO. Posts: 81	Re: Quest to DD my '71 again It's good to see someone on here from Nixa. I own a house there even though I live in Aurora with my fiance. Very nice truck and great thread. I hope to have one of these trucks sometime soon to fix up. If you ever need any help with anything let me know. Are you going to do the AC yourself or have someone else do it. I have all of the tools if you need some help and good score on the R12. I scored 50lbs of R12 last year for $250. I did the DD thing years ago with my 70 Monte Carlo. From 87-93 when I bought a new truck. I got tired of DDing it because I was always working on it or fixing something. I probably have only put about 15,000 miles on the car since 93 when I had the body redone. I would like to drive it more but with a 396 BB and only about 10 mpg, it doesn't get driven much. Anyway, good luck with getting everything figured out and maybe we can meet someday. Wayne

08-29-2012, 10:56 PM	#7
LEEVON Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ozark, MO Posts: 4,887	Re: Quest to DD my '71 again Wayne, I'd like to take you up on that offer! I haven't worked on a/c before and my plan has been just to get everything installed, sealed and borrow or buy a vacuum pump but beyond that I'm not sure...so I'd love to have somebody with experience lend a hand. I've got to replace the A6 shaft seal first and get everything flushed and bolted back up. __________________ '20 Silverado Trail Boss ~ '17 Tahoe ~ '79 K15 Sierra Grande ~ '76 Blazer 2wd ~ '71 Cheyenne swb ~ '55 Pontiac Safari ~'50 3100 bagged ~ '80 Wife ~ Late model kids

08-29-2012, 11:26 PM	#9
LEEVON Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ozark, MO Posts: 4,887	Re: Quest to DD my '71 again Yep, that's about .3 miles from the house unfortunately I will be working but I can usually duck out for a bit depending on schedule. If you had 10 minutes to follow me to the exhaust shop that could be huge! It's really close but out of respect I can't bring myself to fire up the truck without exhaust in the AM or PM when everybody is home, plus the ride back to the house is difficult to coordinate. Would you mind PM'ing me your phone number? BTW, Redline Finishes in Ozark which does very high end restorations including NCRS vettes uses the same blaster. __________________ '20 Silverado Trail Boss ~ '17 Tahoe ~ '79 K15 Sierra Grande ~ '76 Blazer 2wd ~ '71 Cheyenne swb ~ '55 Pontiac Safari ~'50 3100 bagged ~ '80 Wife ~ Late model kids Last edited by LEEVON; 08-29-2012 at 11:32 PM.

08-29-2012, 11:31 PM	#10
RocketKing Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Berryville, AR Posts: 792	Re: Quest to DD my '71 again Sure. I'd be glad to help! PM headed your way. __________________ Rex

08-29-2012, 09:46 AM	#1
RocketKing Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Berryville, AR Posts: 792	Re: Quest to DD my '71 again That looks fantastic!! You gotta be proud of that. BTW, I just noticed your location, looks like I will be in your part of the world tomorrow, I have to pick my bedsides up from a sandblaster in Nixa. __________________ Rex

08-29-2012, 10:58 AM	#2
LEEVON Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ozark, MO Posts: 4,887	Re: Quest to DD my '71 again What time? I live in Nixa, just down the road from at least one sandblaster. It would be nice to meet another board member and see the work you're getting done. __________________ '20 Silverado Trail Boss ~ '17 Tahoe ~ '79 K15 Sierra Grande ~ '76 Blazer 2wd ~ '71 Cheyenne swb ~ '55 Pontiac Safari ~'50 3100 bagged ~ '80 Wife ~ Late model kids

08-30-2012, 08:49 AM	#11
LEEVON Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ozark, MO Posts: 4,887	Re: Quest to DD my '71 again Yep, Mark is the man and he's done work on my DD's. One of the first things I did when we moved here a year ago is scope out the shops and he is right at the top of the list. His truck is a '67 or '68 in a butternut yellow type color, and gets driven everyday unless he takes his wife's TBSS. I'll try and get some pics when I'm there. __________________ '20 Silverado Trail Boss ~ '17 Tahoe ~ '79 K15 Sierra Grande ~ '76 Blazer 2wd ~ '71 Cheyenne swb ~ '55 Pontiac Safari ~'50 3100 bagged ~ '80 Wife ~ Late model kids

08-30-2012, 02:57 PM	#13
LEEVON Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ozark, MO Posts: 4,887	Re: Quest to DD my '71 again Well, suck. I couldn't get the truck started to get to the exhaust shop. Fuel but no fire and I'm scratching my head. The morning wasn't a total loss though, I got to meet Rex (RocketKing) and show off my junk to a fellow truck nut. Thanks for stopping by! __________________ '20 Silverado Trail Boss ~ '17 Tahoe ~ '79 K15 Sierra Grande ~ '76 Blazer 2wd ~ '71 Cheyenne swb ~ '55 Pontiac Safari ~'50 3100 bagged ~ '80 Wife ~ Late model kids

08-30-2012, 03:01 PM	#17
VA72C10 VA72C10 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 25,269	Re: Quest to DD my '71 again Cool picture above...assuming that's the roller for the 50? __________________ Looking for a 67-72 swb or blazer project in or around VA.

08-31-2012, 01:47 PM	#18
LEEVON Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ozark, MO Posts: 4,887	Re: Quest to DD my '71 again This thing is about to get pushed over a cliff. I couldn't get fuel Thursday night, got that taken care of. No spark yesterday...verified 12v to the coil, diagnosed the pickup, module and cap. All were good but I replaced the capacitor and now I have spark. Then the positive wire to the starter moved and arc'ed to the solenoid. So that meant a new solenoid and cable (blew then end up) this morning. I have verified the distributor is stabbed correctly numerous times. I've checked my valve settings. I've advanced and retarded the timing. I have a remote starter hooked up so I can see what's going on under the hood. I give it a little fuel, bump the starter and the manifolds will burp some flames but no start still. I'm getting frustrated. I have a buddy coming over who builds engines, he should be able to give me a fresh perspective. __________________ '20 Silverado Trail Boss ~ '17 Tahoe ~ '79 K15 Sierra Grande ~ '76 Blazer 2wd ~ '71 Cheyenne swb ~ '55 Pontiac Safari ~'50 3100 bagged ~ '80 Wife ~ Late model kids

08-31-2012, 02:07 PM	#19
VA72C10 VA72C10 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 25,269	Re: Quest to DD my '71 again hmm...sure sounds like distributor is 180 out or at least 1 tooth off...but you've checked that. Are all the plug wires on in the right order? did you double check the grounds? __________________ Looking for a 67-72 swb or blazer project in or around VA.

08-31-2012, 02:52 PM	#20
LEEVON Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ozark, MO Posts: 4,887	Re: Quest to DD my '71 again Just checked again, couldn't hurt. Distributor hits right on #1 at zero degrees with both intake and exhaust valves closed on the compression stroke. Plug wires are in order...grounds are all new (negative lead, block to firewall, block to frame, frame to firewall). I'm wondering if I didn't mess the valve adjustment up and have them too tight creating a no-compression scenario? I have hydraulic lifters, they could have not been pumped up when I did this...hmmm. They should be pumped up now, I'm going to check the lash again! __________________ '20 Silverado Trail Boss ~ '17 Tahoe ~ '79 K15 Sierra Grande ~ '76 Blazer 2wd ~ '71 Cheyenne swb ~ '55 Pontiac Safari ~'50 3100 bagged ~ '80 Wife ~ Late model kids

08-31-2012, 05:44 PM	#21
LEEVON Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ozark, MO Posts: 4,887	Re: Quest to DD my '71 again It's alive. I had the valves adjusted wrong. Next stop, exhaust shop 8am. Does anybody know why my tach is moving but only registering about 200rpm? __________________ '20 Silverado Trail Boss ~ '17 Tahoe ~ '79 K15 Sierra Grande ~ '76 Blazer 2wd ~ '71 Cheyenne swb ~ '55 Pontiac Safari ~'50 3100 bagged ~ '80 Wife ~ Late model kids Last edited by LEEVON; 08-31-2012 at 05:55 PM.

08-31-2012, 07:14 PM	#22
LEEVON Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ozark, MO Posts: 4,887	Re: Quest to DD my '71 again Moved outside under her own power for a quick hose-off. Attached Images __________________ '20 Silverado Trail Boss ~ '17 Tahoe ~ '79 K15 Sierra Grande ~ '76 Blazer 2wd ~ '71 Cheyenne swb ~ '55 Pontiac Safari ~'50 3100 bagged ~ '80 Wife ~ Late model kids



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08-31-2012, 08:00 PM	#23
VA72C10 VA72C10 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 25,269	Re: Quest to DD my '71 again cool, looks great. Glad you got it figured out! On the tach, there is an adjustment under the sticker at the back, but was it working before everything? Was it hooked up when you had the short in the distributor? did you make sure the dash has the ground hooked up tight? I also always recommend adding an extra ground to the back extra post on the tach...just to be safe... __________________ Looking for a 67-72 swb or blazer project in or around VA.

08-31-2012, 11:08 PM	#24
LEEVON Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ozark, MO Posts: 4,887	Re: Quest to DD my '71 again It was hooked up the whole time and working fine before. I'm thinking it's a ground issue...I also lost the gauge lights. No biggie, just happy she's running again! __________________ '20 Silverado Trail Boss ~ '17 Tahoe ~ '79 K15 Sierra Grande ~ '76 Blazer 2wd ~ '71 Cheyenne swb ~ '55 Pontiac Safari ~'50 3100 bagged ~ '80 Wife ~ Late model kids

09-01-2012, 04:44 PM	#25
LEEVON Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ozark, MO Posts: 4,887	Re: Quest to DD my '71 again Pics of the plug wires for Tynee Attached Images __________________ '20 Silverado Trail Boss ~ '17 Tahoe ~ '79 K15 Sierra Grande ~ '76 Blazer 2wd ~ '71 Cheyenne swb ~ '55 Pontiac Safari ~'50 3100 bagged ~ '80 Wife ~ Late model kids

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