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veiws on using the 283?
Hey everyone I just pulled the 283 out of my 67 and was of full intention of rebuilding it and putting it back. The plan was of course to give it some horse power, but now im thinking my money might be better spent on another block to gain the hp I want to achieve. Now I found a fairly detailed build about some guy running a 283 with standard bore and power pack heads and he's up to 373hp and pulling wheelies in his 66 chevelle. So my question is this; who is running a 283 and if they like it or not? (I do plan on a stall converter and different gears in the rear)
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Re: veiws on using the 283?
There's nothing wrong with a 283, but no matter what you do to do it, if you do the same thing to a 350 or 383, you'll have more power. If you are talking about putting a stall and gears in it, I'd definitely go another route. A 373 HP 283 is great, but I'm betting that's not a very streetable engine.
The bottom line for me is this: If I was going for a stock restoration or was just going to use the truck to drive, save a little fuel, and sound good - I'd stick with the 283. If I was going for power - I'd go another route. JMO...
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Re: veiws on using the 283?
Kinda seems to be the general answer from what I've read. Is 350hp a realistic number for that engine? I'm I going to have enough torque to push it around? Or would I just be far better off with a big block?
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Re: veiws on using the 283?
I have this pipe dream of a Stepside shortbed with blueprinted/balanced 283 fuel injected & overdrive for the ideal interstate road trip classic. Not looking for speed,looking for go go go go go...with great effeciency
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Re: veiws on using the 283?
If your looking for the least expensive horse power, go a 350 and build it from there.
Now if your looking to make a fun driver not a stump puller, I like the 283. And to put fuel injection on it would be so cool. And remember Uncle GM fuel injected them back in 1957 and got one horse per cu. in., and that was with mechanical fuel injection. And they were daily drivers. Now with the fuel injection possibilities out there now what can you do to achieve the one-to-one or more HP per cu. in.? I'm getting 17 plus MPG out of my 350 FI engine (with overdrive) and look back and wonder why I didn't do it sooner
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Re: veiws on using the 283?
The fuel injection is a avenue I never really looked into, mind you I've always dreamt of a hilborn fuel injection sitting on top. Would that be too much or would it be like a carb in the sense that I could put smaller nozzles in? Would that work with a shot of N.O.S?
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Re: veiws on using the 283?
I'm going to ask the same thing my engine builder asked me.
do you plan on restoring it to original? (not sure if it still is) What do you want to do with it? when I hear gears, stall, shot of NoS I'm guessing original is not your thing. so lets hit the make a wish list original? daily driver? horsepower? fuel economy? NoS? fuel injection? Budget??????? The last one is always my big one. Remember how much you have to spend on the little stuff to bring it all together. a 350 4 bolt 350hp with balanced internals built to handle a 150 shot of NoS and still daily driven getting 10-12mpg would IMO seems more cost effective then building up the 283. When it comes down to it. Do what is going to make you happy and you can afford.
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Re: veiws on using the 283?
Hears my wish list for the truck (engine wise);
Minimum 350hp I was thinking of a six pack (for looks) and then someone mentioned injection so I would love a hilborn Non daily driver (don't have the weather do it west coast B.C) Don't care about economy to much I'm in no rush to get it running so budget isn't too concerning Posted via Mobile Device
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Re: veiws on using the 283?
I agree, 300hp is about max on a 283. They are great little engines with modest power potential. Now... if you really want some fun, put that 283 crank in a 327 block and make a very high revving 302. Very fun motors above 5K, very dumpy below 3500.
IMHO, just build a 350 and call it a 283 or what ever you want. Very few people can actually tell the difference with it in the truck.
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Re: veiws on using the 283?
there are easier ways to get that 350HP. and cheaper.
trade/sell your original 283 to someone looking to restore it. then build a 350 or bolt in a 6.0 ...unless you want to tinker and tweak the 283 to prove it can be done.
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Re: veiws on using the 283?
Now that you've let us know you are after for some pretty beefy HP from a small block,I'd say 350 all the way. You can always lie and tell people it's a 283 if you want
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Re: veiws on using the 283?
The consensus will be more cubic inches most always. I like the old 283s too. For a cheap daily driver or cruiser it's great. But it's easier to get your power fix from more cubic inches, 350, 377, 383 or 400.
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Re: veiws on using the 283?
350 hp from a 283 is about 1.24 hp per cubic inch. 1.24 x 350c.i. = 434 hp. Which is getting to the edge of being "rowdy" on the street 350. And the 283 will make peak power at a much higher rpm. Which means torque in the useable, street driven rpm range is going to be dismal, at best. That 373hp 283 is probably making that power at 7500 rpm!
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Re: veiws on using the 283?
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What would Grumpy Jenkins do? He would embrace the challenge and show all the non believers how to make horsepower. The first thing he would tell you ( if he could RIP) is cylinder heads. You can make a lawn mower fly if you put the right heads on it. Air in - Air out. I would do it just for the challenge of it.
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Re: veiws on using the 283?
Back in the 60's my cousin built a 283 that was making around 450 plus HP @ around 8000 rpm. He put it in his 65 impala SS which looked bone stock, ( except for the cheater slicks) It still had the original 283 badges on the side. It wasn't very streetable, but was a blast to drive Saturday night, especially after blowing the doors off of a few big block mopars and fords, then raising the hood to show a little stock looking 283.
But that was the good old days when you could run 12.5:1 compression with pump gas at 35 cents a gallon for 102 octane.
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Re: veiws on using the 283?
Grumpy Jenkins built drag cars
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Re: veiws on using the 283?
Build a 426 small block and dress it like your stock 283.
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Yes he did and no one on earth could make more power out of a small cubic inch chevy than Grumpy Jenkins. May he rest in piece.
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Re: veiws on using the 283?
Exactly! Making a small cubic inch engine fast is no problem. Making it fast in a streetable combination that is practical is a much harder thing to do.
Here's a 276 cu in small block that is awesome. Put it in a 3800 lb truck with streetable gears and it an automatic transmission and it would be a turd.
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Re: veiws on using the 283?
I quit reading the thread but I can tell you this. If your truck has low gears like 4.10 or 4.57 then you will really like a moderate built 283. the short stroke loves RPM. Power output would be similiar to a Ford 302 due to the 3" stroke. Off idle would be a little weak but spinning 3-4k on the interstate would be nothing. That said my K20 has 4.10s and I run a 400Sb without OD. I can pass anything but a gas station at 9MPG. I need to do some more tuning bad!
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