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What's the diff.....??
I have a rear differential I bought some time ago and I'm not sure what it is. out of so I really don't know what reference to use when ordering parts.
I'm pretty sure it's a 14 bolt Corp. SF gov. bomb with 6 lug axles, that fine and the ring gear says 11 40 so I'm pretty sure it's a 3.73. It is approx. 67" wide and the axle tubes are 3 1/4 wide, drums measure 11 1/4" I.D. and 13 1/2" O.D with approx. 3" lining or brake surface. Numbers on cast iron are GM 1 and CFO 9690. Rt. axle tube is stamped RAL C2231. Anybody have a hint at what I might have? What year/model it came from that I can refer to when ordering parts? Can I get a disk brake set up for this axle? Where? Thanks. |
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Re: What's the diff.....??
14 bolt semi float 6 lug came in 88-up heavy halfs. I believe they are too narrow for a square, but not 100%
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Re: What's the diff.....??
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By the way, I'm not too saavy on the lingo yet, what do you mean by "heavy halfs" and what's a square? (besides me) Last edited by Rocketman72; 04-13-2014 at 12:06 PM. |
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Re: What's the diff.....??
"Squares/squarebodies" are the nickname for 73-87 Chevy/GMC trucks.
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Re: What's the diff.....??
What he means a heavy half its kinda between a 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton truck.How wide is the axle in the blazer tho?
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Re: What's the diff.....??
A 6 lug 14bolt semi-floater is common to the 454ss trucks. I think the guys that have those trucks are pretty rabid about them only being in a 454SS. Play your cards right and you could probably unload it to one of those guys for a nice chunk of change and allow you to build up a 12bolt that should have come in your 72.
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Re: What's the diff.....??
No 5 lugs came in the 454SS.
6 lugs are quite common in the light duty 3/4 tons. |
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Re: What's the diff.....??
There's a 2wd width axle and a 4x4 width axle, the 4x4 version is great for the older trucks because it makes the rear track width closer to the front.
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Re: What's the diff.....??
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The semi floater 6 lug is approx. 67". It seems that it would be approx. the same as the front.
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Re: What's the diff.....??
Another item that may reveal the year of this diff is that it seems that a 1/2" wrench seems to fit the rear cover bolts better than a 13mm. Also, it's difficult to determine if the backing plate bolts are 3/4" or 19mm. They both seem to have the same free play.
Another thing I noticed was that the lugs are very large, probably at least 1/2" diameter. does anyone have any guesses from this additional information?
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Re: What's the diff.....??
The 14 bolt semi-floater differentials were used in the 88-98 Light Duty 3/4 ton trucks. I don't know very much about the differentials, just the trucks they were put in. The 454SS trucks had the 14 bolt SF also, just with 5 lug axles.
The wheel studs are 14mm diameter, can't remember the thread pitch though.
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Re: What's the diff.....??
The GM 14 bolt Semi Floater with 6 bolt lug pattern, is a good piece. Not quite as stout as the Full Floater, it is a very good upgrade from the weaker 10 bolt gov locker which is the one known to grenade with even running 33's. Popular swap for Chevy/GMC obs trucks that came with 10 bolt rears and want to stay with 6 lug wheels.
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Re: What's the diff.....??
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IIRC the change to metric in the GM vehicles happened around 1979. It seems I might have SAE bolts holding the backing plate to the flange yet metric bolts to the rear cover. Could mine be 1980 or earlier? ![]()
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Re: What's the diff.....??
I'm pretty sure the bolts were still fractional when I quit the business in the late 1990's
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Re: What's the diff.....??
Well the 14 bolt semi floater was not used until the 88-98 generation trucks, so there's no way it any older than 88. As far as the metric vs. standard thing, I think the trucks themselves started using metric fasteners in 88, but the engines and drive trains still used standard fasteners all through the 90's. And you can't always judge whether a bolt is standard or metric just based on the size of the head of the bolt. As far as ordering parts, order them for a 88-98 light duty 2500.
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Re: What's the diff.....??
14 semi float didnt' come in till 81 in 3/4 ton 8 lug only trucks, 2wd and 4wd. Prior to that was either 10/12 bolt or 14 full float.
88-up saw the use of the 6 lug 14sf in both 2wd and 4wd. 2wd are narrower than 4wd, so not a good candidate for a swap. |
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Re: What's the diff.....??
BigRed76 incorrect, see b454rat's post.
To add further information, in the GMT-400 (88-02, technically) platform the 6-lug 9.5" 14 bolt semi float was in 1500s that had the RPO F44. In early -400s GM built those ridiculous 6-lug 2500s which also had the 6-lug 9.5" axle. I call them ridiculous because GM should have just called it what it was, a heavy half... There is an 8-lug 9.5" also used in the -400s on lower gvwr (I think <= 8,600#) 2500 trucks. Can't forget to mention the rare 5-lug 9.5" 14 bolt SF either, 454SS trucks. ![]()
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Re: What's the diff.....??
here is a weird one, i knew an old guy that bought an early GMT400('88) k3500 with a 9.5 14 bolt. 8 lug semi float. WTF. he bought it brand new and never did a thing to it. that one totally baffled me. why even call it a one ton?
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![]() ![]() I saw a couple wild ones the other day, 98 or so 454 truck with 8 lug semi-float, did not know you could get a 454 in a truck with that low of GVWR as to not have a 14FF. ryanroo, I saw one of those TOO! It was in my friend's wrecking yard, extended cab long bed TBI 454 K3500 with 14SF. ![]()
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Re: What's the diff.....??
I really appreciate you folks giving me the benefit of your knowledge and experience. I will consider it an 88-98 rear end and order my brake parts accordingly. I will likely change over to disc brake rear at a later date..... Money is an issue right now.
I'll be mounting this under my '72 K5 Blazer build that I have going on at this time. I had this vehicle on the road once upon a time but after installing a 454CI in it I blew out the 12 bolt rear. I'm hoping this rear will be a little stronger. I do not intend to take it off road anymore so it should work fine.
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Re: What's the diff.....??
I have an 88 K3500, but it does have the full float rear, Dana 70 not the 14ff. I've seen a bunch of 3500s with the 8 lug semi, but were all 2wd. I do believe that any truck that came stock with a 454 would have a full floater, not the semi. I've seen 2wd pampered street trucks with the semi grenade...
I think the 6 lug semi's all had the same breaks, so pick a year and try it. Or pull the cover and see what the rear gear says... |
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