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frost89434 · 01-06-2004, 03:10 PM

The detail on this thing is nice!!!

They even engraved the letters for the wipers and headlights.

Here is the link.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2452783573

Mudder · 01-06-2004, 03:13 PM

Sweet........

shuttermutt · 01-06-2004, 03:14 PM

Yeah, it's nice alright. I wonder if his story holds water, though.

my new 72 · 01-06-2004, 03:44 PM

Do you think he would slander another business in public print that way if it was completely false? Just because it's against a vendor like Brothers doesn't mean it isn't true.

s95930 · 01-06-2004, 04:07 PM

I like the looks of that Dash.

**CPNE** · 01-06-2004, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by my new 72
Do you think he would slander another business in public print that way if it was completely false? Just because it's against a vendor like Brothers doesn't mean it isn't true.

Some people aren't too bright especially when PO'd. The seller states:

Quote:

...I SUBMITTED THIS DESIGN TO "BROTHERS TRUCKS" IN CORONA, CALIFORNIA ONLY TO FIND OUT AFTER I GRACIOUSLY LEFT THEM A COMPLETE DASH ASSEMBLY -BECAUSE THEY TOLD ME THEY WERE GOING TO INCLUDE IT IN THEIR NEW CATALOG...

Looks like Brothers followed through on that promise!

I wonder what Steve@brothers has to say. There are 2 sides to every story.

dinnut · 01-06-2004, 06:51 PM

yeah. i also wonder if his story is true. i wonder if brothers has seen this guy on ebay slandering them

jays68yak · 01-06-2004, 08:02 PM

ebay no workie right now.

Earl Junior · 01-06-2004, 08:11 PM

eBay works. I'm currently looking for some tow hooks for my Bronco. I think they pulled this item. Probably after someone at Brothers complained.

Edited to add that I'm wrong. eBay isn't working.

FRENCHBLUE72 · 01-06-2004, 08:54 PM

Ya e-bay is all screwed up and that dash is awesome!!!!!!!! I still cannot see the money he is wanting for it,too frickin much !!!

Steve @ BROTHERS · 01-07-2004, 12:18 AM

There are at least 3 other manufaturers' making a billet dash for our 1967-72 trucks. All of them look very similar due to the shape of the original bezel. I will admit that we looked at ALL of the billet units that are available and used ideas from each as well as including some of our own ideas and R&D that makes the bezel more attractive and usable. We definately did not make a rip off of his bezel.

Just to counter some of his claims:

1) His original bezel did not have any ball mills in it, it was completely smooth. We wanted ball mills in ours to match the 47-66 billet bezels we already make. However, I do like the ARC style mills he has in this NEW design.

2) He SOLD us the piece he claims he "graciously left". John, our sales manager, did the initial install and R&D in his own '69 Step Side to check the fit and function.

3) Fit, his didn't fit. I don't know, it may now, but it didn't then. The recesses where the headlight and wiper switches are were too shallow on the back of the bezel and wouldn't allow the bezel to completely sit flat on the dash.

4) Additionally, and this may still be true of his current offering, his gauges required rubber bands around them to keep them from spinning around once they were mounted in the dash face. Our billet dash uses our own design that we use on our 47-66 billet dashes to hold the gauges in. BROTHERS design eliminates the need for rubber bands to keep the gauges tight.

5) There is additional stuff I could point out, but I'll end my reply to his claims with this. Our dash is only 1/2" thick and his is 5/8".

Once again, I appreciate this forum for offering the chance for everyone to deliberate issues like this. I also appreciate the board members objective stance on this. As CPNE mentioned, there are 2 sides to every story. I really am not interested in a pissing match over this product with any other manufaturers'. Each of us makes what we thinks looks good and works right. Personally, I think his new piece looks pretty nice and I hope he has sorted out the problems we experienced with the unit he sold us.

Thanks for bringing this thread to my attention. I've been out of the office for about a week and will be out for at least one more. I do check my email daily, so if you guys have any questions or comments for me directly then email me. I will continue to monitor this thread during the next few days to see how, or if, it developes. Thanks again!

s95930 · 01-07-2004, 01:09 AM

Very interesting!

BUXMAN66 · 01-07-2004, 02:53 AM

gotta love the forthright answer from brothers....thanks for clearing it up,steve.

gonebad2 · 01-07-2004, 03:07 AM

That is a sweet looking dash. Thanks for the speedy reply Steve and your side of the story. I shop at your store on a regular basis and will continue to do business with you. As always, I appreciate your fast shipping, awesome color catalog and top quality parts.

cduster · 01-07-2004, 03:29 AM

Hats off to Steve for not getting in a pissin match. Sometimes the high road is harder to travel. Very professional. Thanks, Dan

RON WOODGEARD · 01-07-2004, 03:44 AM

That's the nicest replacement I have seen.!!! But if it doesn't fit, it isn't worth Sh!t..
RUBBER BANDS,????!!!!! No thanks.

But I sure do like the design.

**fine69** · 01-07-2004, 04:42 AM

If the guy didnt have a patent on it, then TOUGH CRAP. Free Enterprize.

70c10 · 01-07-2004, 09:30 AM

I think that bezel on ebay looks sweet!

Olden Days · 01-07-2004, 10:45 PM

hey one you guys ought to be ginnuie pig and buy this dash to see if it fits good and report back

I think that arc shape milling around the gauges looks great. The straight milling on the other billet dashes was not doing anything for me.

s95930 · 01-07-2004, 11:22 PM

I agree!

jorgensensc · 01-07-2004, 11:37 PM

I agree it is a great looking piece of gear!! I especially like the arc milling. Kudos to Brothers for coming on this forum and openly discussing this. Brothers, you just won some business from me (if I ever get any money again LOL). Maybe brothers and this gentleman can go the table and rediscuss these issues and misunderstandings, and hopefully everyone can walk away a winner. Or do I live on Fantasy Island?

s95930 · 01-07-2004, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Maybe brothers and this gentleman can go the table and rediscuss these issues and misunderstandings, and hopefully everyone can walk away a winner. Or do I live on Fantasy Island?

Yep the price would most likely go up!

**lock** · 01-07-2004, 11:54 PM

That is a sweet dash! I have to get one.

I'm not going to comment on the battle over who made it, Im curious why there is such a price difference. I would hope the guy on Ebay has fixed any design flaws. A $60 difference is quite steep. Even if it needs a little tweaking to get it fitting properly, that seems worth it to me. I'll hold out and watch the reviews he gets as they start selling.

*Javy* · 01-08-2004, 09:02 AM

Hello fellows,
My name is Javier Sanchez,I own J & J Engineering in Arcadia,
California 91006
PH 626-446-2368
jjengin@pacbell.bell
I listed a 67-72 chevy gmc billet dash on e-bay.
I re-listed my dash on e-bay because E-Bay pulled it after it was
brought to their attention.As you guys familiar with e-bay noticed,
I am not a frequent user of e-bay and I am not familiar with their
rules.I will respond soon with an educated and well thought
reply to this thread.Please be patient,I'm just a gearhead like all
of you trying to save you the money mark up that retail shops make.**STAY TUNED FOR FURTHER REPONSE THIS ISSUE !!!

s95930 · 01-08-2004, 11:50 AM

I am more impressed!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=34206

01-06-2004, 03:10 PM	#1
frost89434 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: sparks, NV Posts: 1,141	Talk about a nice dash bezel!!! The detail on this thing is nice!!! They even engraved the letters for the wipers and headlights. Here is the link. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2452783573 __________________ 68 short fleet with 71 front clip 2wd jaguar blue 99 chevy ext cab shrtbed z71 loaded 99 chevy swb fleetside(daily driver) Sparks, Nevada

01-06-2004, 03:14 PM	#3
shuttermutt Don't say "Oops!", Doctor Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 677	Yeah, it's nice alright. I wonder if his story holds water, though. __________________ 'Mutt 1968 CST LWB: R.I.P. 1967 Chevelle: TPI 454 beast 1967 C10 SWB: Claimed when Bumpster didn't put it on his list

01-06-2004, 03:44 PM	#4
my new 72 faster, faster, faster Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston ,Texas ,USA Posts: 1,354	Do you think he would slander another business in public print that way if it was completely false? Just because it's against a vendor like Brothers doesn't mean it isn't true. __________________ I'm going to Law School, wanna debate? It's good practice.

01-06-2004, 04:07 PM	#5
s95930 A-Adam A-Adam Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sarpy Co. Ne. South of Omaha Posts: 263	I like the looks of that Dash. __________________ 70 3/4 ton GMC Camper Special

01-06-2004, 06:51 PM	#7
dinnut Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: missouri city, tx Posts: 4,486	yeah. i also wonder if his story is true. i wonder if brothers has seen this guy on ebay slandering them __________________ 70 longbed 496/th400/Ford 9"

01-06-2004, 03:13 PM	#2
Mudder Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: East Central, MO Posts: 11,336	Sweet........

01-06-2004, 08:02 PM	#8
jays68yak Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gilroy, CA Posts: 1,454	ebay no workie right now. __________________ 1969 Chevy Project SWB Fleet, 20s, 5.3, t56, in the weeds. 1970 Chevy Truck cab on a 1979 Jimmy frame-8.1 liter 496 bbc/sm465/np203-jeds doubler-np205/d60/14bff Welded/42 tsls on recentered H1s 1998 Chevy Crew Cab K3500 SAS'd with hpd60, links and swayaway coilovers. 8.1l vortec DD/towrig "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me. "

01-06-2004, 08:11 PM	#9
Earl Junior Cadillac power Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North Idaho Posts: 296	eBay works. I'm currently looking for some tow hooks for my Bronco. I think they pulled this item. Probably after someone at Brothers complained. Edited to add that I'm wrong. eBay isn't working. __________________ Just for the record, if I'm down to my last potato, I'm not sharing it with a guy who wants to kill me so he can get a better supply of virgins in paradise. That lesson is a little thing I call Economics 101, infidel style. --Scott Adams author of Dilbert Last edited by Earl Junior; 01-06-2004 at 08:17 PM.

01-06-2004, 08:54 PM	#10
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,608	Ya e-bay is all screwed up and that dash is awesome!!!!!!!! I still cannot see the money he is wanting for it,too frickin much !!! __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

01-07-2004, 12:18 AM	#11
Steve @ BROTHERS Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Corona,CA Posts: 48	BROTHERS Side... There are at least 3 other manufaturers' making a billet dash for our 1967-72 trucks. All of them look very similar due to the shape of the original bezel. I will admit that we looked at ALL of the billet units that are available and used ideas from each as well as including some of our own ideas and R&D that makes the bezel more attractive and usable. We definately did not make a rip off of his bezel. Just to counter some of his claims: 1) His original bezel did not have *any* ball mills in it, it was completely smooth. We wanted ball mills in ours to match the 47-66 billet bezels we already make. However, I do like the ARC style mills he has in this NEW design. 2) He SOLD us the piece he claims he "graciously left". John, our sales manager, did the initial install and R&D in his own '69 Step Side to check the fit and function. 3) Fit, his didn't fit. I don't know, it may now, but it didn't then. The recesses where the headlight and wiper switches are were too shallow on the back of the bezel and wouldn't allow the bezel to completely sit flat on the dash. 4) Additionally, and this may still be true of his current offering, his gauges required rubber bands around them to keep them from spinning around once they were mounted in the dash face. Our billet dash uses our own design that we use on our 47-66 billet dashes to hold the gauges in. BROTHERS design eliminates the need for rubber bands to keep the gauges tight. 5) There is additional stuff I could point out, but I'll end my reply to his claims with this. Our dash is only 1/2" thick and his is 5/8". Once again, I appreciate this forum for offering the chance for everyone to deliberate issues like this. I also appreciate the board members objective stance on this. As CPNE mentioned, there are 2 sides to every story. I really am not interested in a pissing match over this product with any other manufaturers'. Each of us makes what we thinks looks good and works right. Personally, I think his new piece looks pretty nice and I hope he has sorted out the problems we experienced with the unit he sold us. Thanks for bringing this thread to my attention. I've been out of the office for about a week and will be out for at least one more. I do check my email daily, so if you guys have any questions or comments for me directly then email me. I will continue to monitor this thread during the next few days to see how, or if, it developes. Thanks again! __________________ Steve Flanders BROTHERS Toll Free 800-977-2767 Local Phone 951-808-9790 Email Steve@BrothersTrucks.com Last edited by Steve @ BROTHERS; 01-07-2004 at 12:24 AM.

01-07-2004, 01:09 AM	#12
s95930 A-Adam A-Adam Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sarpy Co. Ne. South of Omaha Posts: 263	Very interesting! __________________ 70 3/4 ton GMC Camper Special

01-07-2004, 02:53 AM	#13
BUXMAN66 go bucks! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: MIAMISBURG OHIO USA Posts: 803	gotta love the forthright answer from brothers....thanks for clearing it up,steve. __________________ '68 swb 1/2t 350/350th '86 lngbd 3/4 TON parts getter '49 gmc 1/2 t 5 window 350/350th '96 gmc sonoma sle ext-cab. hey it's a 4cyl. 5 spd and good on gas y'know?

01-07-2004, 03:07 AM	#14
gonebad2 Merciless Butcher Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: CC Nevada Posts: 1,447	That is a sweet looking dash. Thanks for the speedy reply Steve and your side of the story. I shop at your store on a regular basis and will continue to do business with you. As always, I appreciate your fast shipping, awesome color catalog and top quality parts. __________________ Your Bought And Sold....I Got Your Soul!

01-07-2004, 03:29 AM	#15
cduster Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: S.W. Michigan Posts: 403	Hats off to Steve for not getting in a pissin match. Sometimes the high road is harder to travel. Very professional. Thanks, Dan

01-07-2004, 03:44 AM	#16
RON WOODGEARD Resident Young Old Dude ! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nevada Posts: 1,948	That's the nicest replacement I have seen.!!! But if it doesn't fit, it isn't worth Sh!t.. RUBBER BANDS,????!!!!! No thanks. But I sure do like the design.



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01-07-2004, 04:42 AM	#17
fine69 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Urbana,Ohio,USA Posts: 4,618	If the guy didnt have a patent on it, then TOUGH CRAP. Free Enterprize.

01-07-2004, 09:30 AM	#18
70c10 67-72 Addict! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The TAX State! Posts: 7,857	I think that bezel on ebay looks sweet! __________________ Jim 1970 C/10 Fleetside w/Ghost Flames Lowered 4.5" front and 4" rear (Raked) 355/350 Turbo w/shift kit 10" Redneck Performance Verter w/2500 stall Hooker Super Comps part#2808-1 Performer RPM Air-Gap 12 Bolt w/3:73 gears- Eaton Posi Comp Cams XE262 with 1.6 Crane Energizers, Road Demon 625 and Brodix IK 180 heads

01-07-2004, 10:45 PM	#19
Olden Days Living In The Past Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rockies Posts: 709	hey one you guys ought to be ginnuie pig and buy this dash to see if it fits good and report back I think that arc shape milling around the gauges looks great. The straight milling on the other billet dashes was not doing anything for me.

01-07-2004, 11:22 PM	#20
s95930 A-Adam A-Adam Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sarpy Co. Ne. South of Omaha Posts: 263	I agree! __________________ 70 3/4 ton GMC Camper Special

01-07-2004, 11:37 PM	#21
jorgensensc Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cypress, Tx Posts: 4,005	I agree it is a great looking piece of gear!! I especially like the arc milling. Kudos to Brothers for coming on this forum and openly discussing this. Brothers, you just won some business from me (if I ever get any money again LOL). Maybe brothers and this gentleman can go the table and rediscuss these issues and misunderstandings, and hopefully everyone can walk away a winner. Or do I live on Fantasy Island? __________________ 1972 C20 Suburban- Big Blue Betty '56 Chevy Bel Air Sedan- Frame up Restoration -What would you attempt to achieve if you knew you could not fail?- -I Refuse To Tiptoe Through Life, Only To Arrive Safely At Death's Door- R.I.P. EAST SIDE LOW LIFE

01-07-2004, 11:54 PM	#23
lock Insert funny comment. Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Concord NC Posts: 621	That is a sweet dash! I have to get one. I'm not going to comment on the battle over who made it, Im curious why there is such a price difference. I would hope the guy on Ebay has fixed any design flaws. A $60 difference is quite steep. Even if it needs a little tweaking to get it fitting properly, that seems worth it to me. I'll hold out and watch the reviews he gets as they start selling. __________________ ------------ - Mark -My Build Thread... -68 C10, LT1 - Undergoing Frame off resto -86 IROC-Z T72 turbo 355, M6 -70 Camaro http://www.iroc-ss.com

01-08-2004, 09:02 AM	#24
Javy Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 129	Hello fellows, My name is Javier Sanchez,I own J & J Engineering in Arcadia, California 91006 PH 626-446-2368 jjengin@pacbell.bell I listed a 67-72 chevy gmc billet dash on e-bay. I re-listed my dash on e-bay because E-Bay pulled it after it was brought to their attention.As you guys familiar with e-bay noticed, I am not a frequent user of e-bay and I am not familiar with their rules.I will respond soon with an educated and well thought reply to this thread.Please be patient,I'm just a gearhead like all of you trying to save you the money mark up that retail shops make.**STAY TUNED FOR FURTHER REPONSE THIS ISSUE !!!

01-08-2004, 11:50 AM	#25
s95930 A-Adam A-Adam Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sarpy Co. Ne. South of Omaha Posts: 263	I am more impressed! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=34206 __________________ 70 3/4 ton GMC Camper Special

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