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Richd-X · 11-22-2015, 04:16 PM

Afternoon all...

After getting my enthusiasm back for my Project I'm getting on quite well!

BUT- some idiot designer in the fifties decided to stuff the starter and solenoid on the left side of the engine.. damn-

I have a Hydramatic box- and really want to keep it all together is I can.

My issue is I'm fitting Jaguar IFS and IRS onto the truck as it works well on my 48 Chevy Fleetline....

Anyway- the stater and particularly the solenoid is exactly where the pinion sticks out off the rack... oh dear!

I've looked around the net and can't find any mini-starters like the millions available for Chevy's!

Has anyone else hit this problem? I may be able to move the rack nearer to the cross-member, BUT I'm looking at easiest options first.

I'd appreciate any advice- thanks very much!

Rich

**mr48chev** · 11-22-2015, 05:22 PM

It might be easier to change the truck to right hand steer than fight the starter issue.

I'd wonder if any of the similar size cars made in UK or readily available in your sources have a rack that is more compatible with the starter position. Close to the same width and what not with a more compatible location or angle for the shaft going into the rack.

OrrieG · 11-22-2015, 05:29 PM

Post a pic. I am having a hard time seeing the rack pinion that far back, do you mean the solenoid is line with the steering shaft and rack shaft? Go take a look at Borgsens site, they have a tech manual. Around page 90 they have information and suggestions for different steering shaft configurations. I have seen some pretty convoluted ones that wrap around headers, etc.

1project2many · 11-22-2015, 09:30 PM

Lessee....

Several of the aftermarket mini starters appear to be drilled for a face style mounting. Have you looked at this style?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Pontiac-Star...1472919/i.html

Richd-X · 11-24-2015, 03:25 PM

Here's an image, don't really want to go down the right-hand drive route, looks wrong to me and like my dash as it is.. I have added an image if this helps!

Annoying.. but at the moment I have a starter OR steering..

I didn't realise the mini- starters were cross drilled too.. thanks- I'll look into that one!

Cheers

Rich

1project2many · 11-24-2015, 04:55 PM

There might even be enough material to drill your own holes if needed.

There are some other options, maybe. This marine catalog has a few different ones that could serve as examples.
http://www.cpperformance.com/api-cat...d_starters.pdf

There are newer replacements for old numbers. Look at P. 53, specifically the 10059ND. It appears to put the solenoid closer to the block slightly. P. 54 has another version of the Hitachi mini starter. I'm sure the cost of these are quite high but you may be able to use the technical information to locate less expensive versions.

You can also look at this http://www.electricmotorsvc.com/pdf/...07_Str_Cat.pdf

Pictures of End Frame housings (Nose) for the OE type 10MT starter begin on Page 324 and continue through P. 331. There are various PMGR end frame housings as well. The PMGR starter is the newer style unit that GM uses currently. You can use the images and dimensions to try and locate a nose that fits then get a starter number from the listing and check other critical information (voltage, rotation, drive gear teeth).

HTH

dwcsr · 11-24-2015, 05:43 PM

I think you have a Chevy starter in there or a non Hydromatic starter for Pontiac . The correct one should have the solenoid at about 10 degrees from the top bolt hole not at 90 degrees to it. You need the one for Hydromatic.
The picture shows where it should be in the RED circle behind the column

Old Crow · 11-25-2015, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1project2many

Lessee....

Several of the aftermarket mini starters appear to be drilled for a face style mounting. Have you looked at this style?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Pontiac-Star...1472919/i.html

Universal Chevy starter. Those holes are so you can clock the solenoid to allow use in low clearance situations.

Richd-X · 12-17-2016, 02:14 PM

Apologies... haven't been on here for a while- all sorted now!

Total change of direction that some will and some won't like... can't win 'em all anyway!

Chassis has had all the axles swapped- now Jaguar XJS IFS and IRS, so handling and brakes will be top notch, decided on an engine change as one came up for the right cash..

So sitting between the rails now is a rather splendid Bentley Turbocharged V8- coupled to a TH400 autobox, easiest motor I have ever fitted.. what do you think nice or nasty?

Absolutely no idea how to add images on here- as I'm more of a hammer and chisel worker- sorry!

Looks well though!

Rich

dwcsr · 12-17-2016, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richd-X

Apologies... haven't been on here for a while- all sorted now!

Total change of direction that some will and some won't like... can't win 'em all anyway!

Chassis has had all the axles swapped- now Jaguar XJS IFS and IRS, so handling and brakes will be top notch, decided on an engine change as one came up for the right cash..

So sitting between the rails now is a rather splendid Bentley Turbocharged V8- coupled to a TH400 autobox, easiest motor I have ever fitted.. what do you think nice or nasty?

Absolutely no idea how to add images on here- as I'm more of a hammer and chisel worker- sorry!

Looks well though!

Rich

First Brexit and now a Bentley motor in a GM truck!!!!!
what's the world coming to

Richd-X · 12-17-2016, 10:03 PM

Could be worse.... how about putting a Chevolet badge on a Dawoo,

?

Now that pushes my buttons!

Ha ha... we put BMW V8's in them over here too...

11-22-2015, 04:16 PM	#1
Richd-X Registered User Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Nottingham England Posts: 6	Pontiac 347 in a Series 2 Afternoon all... After getting my enthusiasm back for my Project I'm getting on quite well! BUT- some idiot designer in the fifties decided to stuff the starter and solenoid on the left side of the engine.. damn- I have a Hydramatic box- and really want to keep it all together is I can. My issue is I'm fitting Jaguar IFS and IRS onto the truck as it works well on my 48 Chevy Fleetline.... Anyway- the stater and particularly the solenoid is exactly where the pinion sticks out off the rack... oh dear! I've looked around the net and can't find any mini-starters like the millions available for Chevy's! Has anyone else hit this problem? I may be able to move the rack nearer to the cross-member, BUT I'm looking at easiest options first. I'd appreciate any advice- thanks very much! Rich

11-22-2015, 05:22 PM	#2
mr48chev Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toppenish, WA Posts: 15,555	Re: Pontiac 347 in a Series 2 It might be easier to change the truck to right hand steer than fight the starter issue. I'd wonder if any of the similar size cars made in UK or readily available in your sources have a rack that is more compatible with the starter position. Close to the same width and what not with a more compatible location or angle for the shaft going into the rack. __________________ Founding member of the too many projects, too little time and money club. My ongoing truck projects: 48 Chev 3100 that will run a 292 Six. 71 GMC 2500 that is getting a Cad 500 transplant. 77 C 30 dualie, 454, 4 speed with a 10 foot flatbed and hoist. It does the heavy work and hauls the projects around.

11-22-2015, 05:29 PM	#3
OrrieG Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 8,800	Re: Pontiac 347 in a Series 2 Post a pic. I am having a hard time seeing the rack pinion that far back, do you mean the solenoid is line with the steering shaft and rack shaft? Go take a look at Borgsens site, they have a tech manual. Around page 90 they have information and suggestions for different steering shaft configurations. I have seen some pretty convoluted ones that wrap around headers, etc. __________________ 1959 Chevy Short Fleetside w/ 74 4WD drive train (current project) OrrieG Build Thread 1964 Chevelle Malibu w/ 355-350TH (daily driver) Helpful AD and TF Manual Site Old Car Manual Project

11-22-2015, 09:30 PM	#4
1project2many Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Lakes Region NH Posts: 3,187	Re: Pontiac 347 in a Series 2 Lessee.... Several of the aftermarket mini starters appear to be drilled for a face style mounting. Have you looked at this style? http://www.ebay.com/sch/Pontiac-Star...1472919/i.html Attached Images

11-24-2015, 03:25 PM	#5
Richd-X Registered User Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Nottingham England Posts: 6	Re: Pontiac 347 in a Series 2 Here's an image, don't really want to go down the right-hand drive route, looks wrong to me and like my dash as it is.. I have added an image if this helps! Annoying.. but at the moment I have a starter OR steering.. I didn't realise the mini- starters were cross drilled too.. thanks- I'll look into that one! Cheers Rich

11-24-2015, 04:55 PM	#6
1project2many Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Lakes Region NH Posts: 3,187	Re: Pontiac 347 in a Series 2 There might even be enough material to drill your own holes if needed. There are some other options, maybe. This marine catalog has a few different ones that could serve as examples. http://www.cpperformance.com/api-cat...d_starters.pdf There are newer replacements for old numbers. Look at P. 53, specifically the 10059ND. It appears to put the solenoid closer to the block slightly. P. 54 has another version of the Hitachi mini starter. I'm sure the cost of these are quite high but you may be able to use the technical information to locate less expensive versions. You can also look at this http://www.electricmotorsvc.com/pdf/...07_Str_Cat.pdf Pictures of End Frame housings (Nose) for the OE type 10MT starter begin on Page 324 and continue through P. 331. There are various PMGR end frame housings as well. The PMGR starter is the newer style unit that GM uses currently. You can use the images and dimensions to try and locate a nose that fits then get a starter number from the listing and check other critical information (voltage, rotation, drive gear teeth). HTH Last edited by 1project2many; 11-24-2015 at 05:12 PM.

11-24-2015, 05:43 PM	#7
dwcsr Hollister Road Co. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 6,134	Re: Pontiac 347 in a Series 2 I think you have a Chevy starter in there or a non Hydromatic starter for Pontiac . The correct one should have the solenoid at about 10 degrees from the top bolt hole not at 90 degrees to it. You need the one for Hydromatic. The picture shows where it should be in the RED circle behind the column Attached Images

12-17-2016, 02:14 PM	#9
Richd-X Registered User Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Nottingham England Posts: 6	Re: Pontiac 347 in a Series 2 Apologies... haven't been on here for a while- all sorted now! Total change of direction that some will and some won't like... can't win 'em all anyway! Chassis has had all the axles swapped- now Jaguar XJS IFS and IRS, so handling and brakes will be top notch, decided on an engine change as one came up for the right cash.. So sitting between the rails now is a rather splendid Bentley Turbocharged V8- coupled to a TH400 autobox, easiest motor I have ever fitted.. what do you think nice or nasty? Absolutely no idea how to add images on here- as I'm more of a hammer and chisel worker- sorry! Looks well though! Rich

12-17-2016, 10:03 PM	#11
Richd-X Registered User Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Nottingham England Posts: 6	Re: Pontiac 347 in a Series 2 Could be worse.... how about putting a Chevolet badge on a Dawoo, ? Now that pushes my buttons! Ha ha... we put BMW V8's in them over here too...



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