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gm crate engine question
I am going to buy a crate engine for my 72 K20 soon, the 350, 250 hp one from summit is $1600.00 vs. the 290 hp for $2350, what do you all think???, I'm leaning towards the $1600.00 one
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Re: gm crate engine question
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GM-Goodwrenc...-/400764245043 just found this for under $1400.00,what do you all think?
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https://www.summitracing.com/parts/n...FQW1wAod_-UBWQ this is the same engine as on ebay, but says it is 250 hp...???
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHEVROLET-10...BYj2pm&vxp=mtr I'm seriously considering putting this in my own truck. Isn't it similar to what they came with? ![]()
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Re: gm crate engine question
Go to your local chevy dealer , check on a goodwrench engine. You may be suprised at the price.
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Re: gm crate engine question
I have done this in the past..For me I work out of town a lot and I was able to pick up at the local chevy dealer at my convenience after it arrived.The base replacement lower horsepower 195 h.p. 350 is plenty...these run very nice and you can't beat the price..These goodwrench engines carry the gm warranty no matter who you buy from but if you would have an issue in the warranty period it might be less hassle dealing with the chevy dealer.Little things to think about...
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Re: gm crate engine question
I don't have time to look for the threads, but the general consensus I recall reading was that the cam/head combo left A LOT to be desired on the 290 horse motor and they weren't worth the extra money.
I have the lower HP one on my stand right now. I bought it over 3 years ago when Jegs had them on sale for $1,208. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=606983 Also, the 250 and 290 numbers are "max" with 4 barrel carb, hei, headers, etc. As mention above the "stock" motor is more around 195 HP with a 2bbl carb and stock components.
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I have used two of the Goodwrench engines and have been very happy with them. I have also read that the 290HP isn't worth the extra money. I put one in my '72 Dually a while back and just used it to pull the 20 foot car trailer with my Grandsons '99 Camaro on it, 150 miles one way. The Dually had no problem cruising at 55-60 loaded (that's the fastest I run with a loaded trailer) and 65-70 empty. Great engine. LockDoc
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Re: gm crate engine question
To my recollection, the 290hp engine is not recommended for towing or heavier vehicles (ie: trucks).
It is cammed and built for something lighter that would need to get the revs up before you see power. As a result when guys dropped them in 4000lb trucks (like ours) many were pretty disappointed. Unfortunately a lot of buyers still only look for the hp number when selecting a motor whereas the torque and the rpm it comes in at, at least for trucks, is the better number for most performance in my books. Whether most people know it, admit it....or not, the lower rpm range is where you will be doing 90% of your driving so having your power/torque down there, rather than it appearing suddenly at 4500-5000rpm....will probably be what you want but only you know your driving habits. If you want the best of both worlds, get the 195/250hp version, run it for 6 months to make sure it is a good motor with no warranty issues. Then, put a correct cam in it and perhaps upgrade the heads a little bit and you will have a tight motor with more torque and hp....and more importantly, where you need it. Talk to cam experts before you choose the cam tho'. The fact that the warranty will be null and void ...shouldn't be too much to worry about....certainly not when you can pick these up for very little money. My two bits. Coley
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Re: gm crate engine question
Here is a great option, if you don't have overdrive. It's the same Goodwrench engine but with a nice mild cam in.it. It probably likes a 2400-2800 cruise rpm as opposed to the stock 350 liking more of a 1600-2200.
http://paceperformance.com/i-6237688...no-intake.html
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Re: gm crate engine question
My brother has the 195/250 hp engine in his 70 blazer. Four barrel carb, headers, and hei. It runs really nice and feels like it has plenty of get up.
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Re: gm crate engine question
I remember a GM crate motor coming into my dad's work for the symptoms above, basically just falling on it's face and not performing well at all. I can't remember if it's the 290hp or 330hp, or hell it could be both. But the screw up was indeed the cam, just not matched well at all for the heads.
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Re: gm crate engine question
From everything I've read in the past, the 250hp engine is a well-tuned combination, and then the 290hp is a "too big of a cam for that motor" version of it. So most people tend to prefer the 250hp of it.
Never owned either, but it's come up a number of times in the past.
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I don't know why people keep wasting their time on those crates!
No compression, crap heads, little cam, no power! For a bit more money you can get one of these roller blocks. Compression, roller cam and vortec heads. Sure you need a fuel pump and different flywheel or flexplate but you should replace those anyway. http://www.jegs.com/i/Chevrolet-Perf...30282/10002/-1 |
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These days I wouldn't consider a small block without a roller cam unless I were going for something "period correct". There's just too much benefit to the Vortec engines to pass up.
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I'm not actually arguing with you as much as detailing that it's all a matter of how much you want to spend (or can spend.) When the time comes I don't know which one I'll choose, the Pace 300 or an L31 with an upgraded cam.
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![]() Anyway, the bottom line is that I don't think we're going to find prices better than this. Can someone confirm, is this pretty much the same spec engine that was in these trucks when new?
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Re: gm crate engine question
thanks for all the good info. I think I will go with the 195 hp 350....
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The 195 350 is what I have in my 72 Chevy truck and it has plenty of power for hauling and cruising .
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Re: gm crate engine question
thanks for the info..I just called the place on Ebay, "Radley GM wholesale" I am ordering the engine from them with the new damper,bolt and washer for $1451.27 out the door....can't believe free shipping from Virginia to Cal.....great deal, I called my local chevy dealer , they wanted over $1900.00 just for the engine, not including damper
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I think you will be happy with it .
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