1965 1/2 C10 Pickup

[salty531]

You are close enough to come see it with your own eyes. I welcome you .

[Chevy Fleetside]

Originally Posted by salty531

You are close enough to come see it with your own eyes. I welcome you .

I would love to come see it. Only fair I drive mine up though.

[rvrfoot]

Originally Posted by Chevy Fleetside

I would love to come see it. Only fair I drive mine up though.

Wait untill the motor comes back from the shop.

[salty531]

I have coffee at Arizmendi on 4th st across from San Rafael Joe's every morning between 8/15 and 9/00 Monday through Sat. I meet with two friends that are car guys. You are welcome. Just ask for Don.

[Robert Haas]

Looking at this picture I have several questions.

Anyone ever seen a factory sway bar on a 66?

That sure ain't a power steering set up.


GMC and many Chevies used the ram assist and the 67 came with either that or a Spicer box

[The Rocknrod]

Came from the factory that way.

[LostMy65]

I just went back through this thread from beginning.
I don't think Salty is lying. He honestly believes what he thinks he has. It may turn out. He came asking for help and verification. Some said what he believes is most likely not the case,
Nothing wrong with that.

[60-66]

Originally Posted by Robert Haas

Looking at this picture I have several questions.

Anyone ever seen a factory sway bar on a 66?

That sure ain't a power steering set up.


GMC and many Chevies used the ram assist and the 67 came with either that or a Spicer box


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Yes , it was the small dia sway bar but that is factory. Have a couple trucks with them. You see them more on Camper Specials. If the frame bracket is riveted to the frame its assembly line installed . Option code is F59 for front sway bar

Originally Posted by The Rocknrod

Came from the factory that way.

Sway bar is correct option F59.

Originally Posted by LostMy65

I just went back through this thread from beginning.
I don't think Salty is lying. He honestly believes what he thinks he has. It may turn out. He came asking for help and verification. Some said what he believes is most likely not the case,
Nothing wrong with that.

If in fact that block is corvette , it was dealer installed. He worked at the dealership it came from so anything is possible after it was delivered.

[Robert Haas]

Originally Posted by 60-66

Yes , it was the small dia sway bar but that is factory. Have a couple trucks with them. You see them more on Camper Specials. If the frame bracket is riveted to the frame its assembly line installed . Option code is F59 for front sway bar



Sway bar is correct option F59.
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Thank you, that is why this site rocks. Gentleman like yourself have so much info and you give it out for free.

[jocko]

Wow! I gotta keep up, I'm missin out on all the drama!!

First off - welcome to the site Salty (believe it or not) we're glad to have you. I really like your truck and it's cool to be the original owner of one of these beauties. I'm looking forward to pictures when you get it back.

Here's my 2 cents for what it's worth, which is probably somewhere south of 2 cents...

Just because an out of state machine shop guy has rebuilt a few engines (ok, even a LOT of engines) doesn't make him an expert on what Chevrolet had on the shelf that could even accidentally or out of convenience/availability make it into a vehicle in late 65. I would, however, expect an engine rebuilder to know the difference between a roller cam and ANY other type of cam. Of course he can INSTALL a roller cam now, but that isn't what this discussion has been about - it's about what he pulled out of it that has supposedly been there since late 65, right? I may have missed it - but I thought it was stated or implied that this engine has never been apart? Is that correct Salty? If so, then do I understand correctly that you've never seen the original cam either? I mean - did the out of state guy physically remove it and not you?

So, while very unlikely, it is at least POSSIBLE that an L79 could make it into this truck, it is not feasible that it snuck into it with a roller cam in a factory GM engine, because they had not yet invented/produced any for the sbc.

So I think what we have here is a very cool old truck and a mis-communication from the mechanic. Again, just my 2 cents. But if a month from now the mechanic says "doh, sorry, I meant to say hydraulic" we're all gonna feel kinda silly about arguing over it
All good - can't wait to see the pics. And if your mechanic could send you a pic of the lifters he removed, even just 1 of them, it would be so awesome.

again - welcome Salty, very cool old truck.

[60-66]

Originally Posted by jocko

So, while very unlikely, it is at least POSSIBLE that an L79 could make it into this truck

Not really Jocko , L79 had bigger cam that didnt work with a powerglide , Aluminum intake and a holley. Thats what we are getting at , its not a combination that Chevrolet would have let go through because it wont work together. Personally its either a truck 327 with a cam swap etc or a dealer installed swap. Theres a 61 1/2 ton floating around here with a 348 that was done 6 months after it was bought new, has papers from the dealership. Doesn't make it factory

[jocko]

Originally Posted by 60-66

Not really Jocko , L79 had bigger cam that didnt work with a powerglide , Aluminum intake and a holley. Thats what we are getting at , its not a combination that Chevrolet would have let go through because it wont work together. Personally its either a truck 327 with a cam swap etc or a dealer installed swap. Theres a 61 1/2 ton floating around here with a 348 that was done 6 months after it was bought new, has papers from the dealership. Doesn't make it factory

Not in disageeement - note I said "make it into the truck" - I'm not excluding a dealer install, I agree that's the only way I could ever see this happening. I should've been a little more clear. Now, about the roller....

[64 Stepside]

This thread kinda got ugly, hope it settles out and we and the OP learns what Chevrolet did put in with his very cool truck. Just my opinion but I think the machine shop got it wrong. Make sure you get the old parts back with the motor and get a second opinion.

[The Rocknrod]

Originally Posted by 60-66

Not really Jocko , L79 had bigger cam that didnt work with a powerglide , Aluminum intake and a holley. Thats what we are getting at , its not a combination that Chevrolet would have let go through because it wont work together. Personally its either a truck 327 with a cam swap etc or a dealer installed swap. Theres a 61 1/2 ton floating around here with a 348 that was done 6 months after it was bought new, has papers from the dealership. Doesn't make it factory

What is the deal on the steering box he shows on the chassis? Say's h e has power steering, that box in 66?

[60-66]

Originally Posted by The Rocknrod

What is the deal on the steering box he shows on the chassis? Say's h e has power steering, that box in 66?

It would use the same box , I don't see in that picture any of the power assist parts but they may have been removed?

[Brad54]

Well, let's look at what we've been told so far:
High-horse Corvette 327 installed in front of a PowerGlide, in a truck.
Roller Cam in the 327, making it the ONLY 327 to ever leave the factory with a roller cam in it.
Look, the Corvette restorers know every piddly little detail about their cars, broken down to changes made starting with a specific VIN number. They not only know what was available on their cars, they know what specific car was the first one to have it.
There simply were no roller cams in 327 from the factory.

(The engine builder is putting one in now, according to the lifters in the pic... but it ain't factory.)

The Corvette engine also required Premium fuel, due to its compression ratio.
Salty, did you run Premium in the truck since new?

A vacuum gauge installed from the factory in the empty hole in the instrument cluster. Possible. But not likely. (some GMs did come with factory vacuum gauges on performance cars, but I don't think any of us have heard of it on a 1/2-ton small block truck).

No Protect-O-Plate.

[The Rocknrod]

It didn't get ugly it got truthfully informative. What is claimed cannot have happened - case closed.

[61K10]

in respond to 60-66 L79 cam--put one in my 63 chevy 327 250hp engine back in 1970 with a power-guide. Idled just fine, no surging at all. I just love all the experts on this. I have run every chevy cam that was ever produced back then.
Isky patented the cross bar solid roller lifter back in 1958--

[60-66]

Originally Posted by 61K10

in respond to 60-66 L79 cam--put one in my 63 chevy 327 250hp engine back in 1970 with a power-guide. Idled just fine, no surging at all. I just love all the experts on this. I have run every chevy cam that was ever produced back then.
Isky patented the cross bar solid roller lifter back in 1958--

Yup , was waiting for that , guess I should have stated it more plainly," Chevrolet" never did it, period ! And they had reasons for what they designed and that's the whole point.Anybody could put any cam in anything they wanted . So what I did too ? This conversation is about "factory" then it keeps going off topic. But "you could get anything you wanted back then" right ? Sorry I ticked you off before on that , wasn't trying to. It's my writing skills or lack there of, I should have explained my thoughts differently as to how that comment has become so over used and misunderstood. Let's wait for the stamped numbers, no ifs ands or buts then and all this back and forth will just be BS then !

[rvrfoot]

We will just wait and see.

[oem4me]

Originally Posted by 60-66

Let's wait for the stamped numbers, no ifs ands or buts then and all this back and forth will just be BS then !

Ok, pardon my ignorance, or lack of experience on this issue, but aren't those stamped numbers on the front pad of the block often wiped clean during a block deck / rebuild?

[Robert Haas]

Originally Posted by oem4me

Ok, pardon my ignorance, or lack of experience on this issue, but aren't those stamped numbers on the front pad of the block often wiped clean during a block deck / rebuild?

yep

[60-66]

Originally Posted by oem4me

Ok, pardon my ignorance, or lack of experience on this issue, but aren't those stamped numbers on the front pad of the block often wiped clean during a block deck / rebuild?

Often? I would say no . I spent 20 years in an automotive engine shop here in Wisconsin and at that time most of the engines of this age did not need decking. That was determined by the customer or by how bad the block was .Common rebuilds just didn't need decking. If this engine is decked then there's still a few possibilities as to telling what it is but even less credibility as to Saltys claim. Ya kinda have to back this claim up with something. If it's out of something else and transplanted into the truck it will be obvious with the Vin stamped in it or still have the broach marks with nothing stamped in the deck. I've seen several over the counter blocks in the mid sixties with blank pads.

[Steeveedee]

Originally Posted by 60-66

Often? I would say no . I spent 20 years in an automotive engine shop here in Wisconsin and at that time most of the engines of this age did not need decking. That was determined by the customer or by how bad the block was .Common rebuilds just didn't need decking. If this engine is decked then there's still a few possibilities as to telling what it is but even less credibility as to Saltys claim. Ya kinda have to back this claim up with something. If it's out of something else and transplanted into the truck it will be obvious with the Vin stamped in it or still have the broach marks with nothing stamped in the deck. I've seen several over the counter blocks in the mid sixties with blank pads.

Right.If you got a service replacement block, it would fit so many applications that stamping any sort of info would be useless.

[LT1 Burb]

Originally Posted by oem4me

Ok, pardon my ignorance, or lack of experience on this issue, but aren't those stamped numbers on the front pad of the block often wiped clean during a block deck / rebuild?

I have never had a block decked, if someone decked an L79 block they basically wasted a piece of history. It would be like decking a 65 chevelle SS 396 block, one of 116, it would turn it into a block of one of 1,000,000.