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14 bolt for $400?
I have a 1 ton SRW with an H072 that works fine and the brakes work fine; I have no need to tear the truck apart yet. However I'd like to prepare for the future and swap in a 14 bolt at my leisure.
The local junkyard has a 2000 C3500 SRW with what should be a 14 bolt.....right?, the yard wants $410 for it complete with brakes. (The truck was smashed HARD in the front and pushed the drivetrain back quite a bit, the front frame was collapsed back a foot, and it disconnected the driveshaft at the rear pinion yoke, I'm a little worried it might have screwed up the diff if it hit hard enough) |
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Re: 14 bolt for $400?
Check around the u-pull-it yards. The Tucson yard has 5 8-lug in stock that haven't been messed with. That's one yard.
I have a 1976 C20 14 bolt FF that I had on Facebook for 300. Too many texts not associated with my listing, so I took it down Car-part.com can help you find one local |
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Re: 14 bolt for $400?
Yes, it will be a 14-bolt full floater. I have a Power Lok Dana 60 in my '72 K2500. Also have an HO52 No-Spin, a DRW HO72, and a 14-bolt from a mid-80s truck. As you can tell, I agree with having a spare rear (or two or three) around. Many years ago I knew a guy, Peter Case, who named his son Justin. I think that had a lasting effect on me.
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Re: 14 bolt for $400?
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If so than I'd really like a 1 ton style 14 bolt. Thanks for letting me know that they are fairly common though; and your pricing info. How easy is it to swap a 1990's pickup 14 bolt into a 67-72? I seem to remember that if you find a 14 bolt from the 70's it slips right in. I guess I need to measure spring perches and shock mounts. |
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Re: 14 bolt for $400?
Someone more knowledgeable than me will chime in.
I have no experience in anything larger than half ton. I have bought and sold, but not modified. |
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Re: 14 bolt for $400?
If it’s a full floating 14, strength wise they are the same. Some of the 3/4 ton floaters had 2” or so wide brakes and others had the 1 ton 3.5” wide brakes. They can be interchanged with the right parts.
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The biggest thing to check on is axle width, which if it's a single rear wheel 1 ton truck, should be in the neighborhood of right. Dually 14 bolts are a different width (I think) but definitely different hubs. Then Cab and chassis 14 bolts are different, and the van 14 bolts might be also different. Here is a link to basically everything you could ever want to know, and probably more than most want to know, about 14 bolts. http://www.billavista.com/tech/Artic...ble/index.html Just asking though, why would you want to remove the HO72? Unless you just want to change gear ratios or something, there is nothing stronger about a 14 bolt, and in the offroading world a few rare stubborn people like me buy the Eaton axles and run those. If you'd like a link to a kinda tech bible about the HO72 I can send a link, but it's from a forum, so I don't want to post any link that maybe i'm not supposed to, etc.. |
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Re: 14 bolt for $400?
here's a quote about HO72s
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Re: 14 bolt for $400?
Wow thank you all so much for the info.
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I also have another reason but that is more of a "bonus" than an acttual reason: serviceability, parts availability, and knowledge of 14 bolts if I were to be stranded in another state while traveling for some reason. I don't believe there are any rules for posting links to other forums. I'd love that link if you want to PM me instead. Like I said before,it appears my rear end/brakes all work perfectly fine; I am just keeping my eye out for a suitable 14 bolt at my leisure so I can be ready if I ever need to make the change. I am intending on daily driving this 1 ton when it is finished. |
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Re: 14 bolt for $400?
The brakes from a 14bolt full float will bolt right onto a HO52/72
That's what I did on my C20
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Re: 14 bolt for $400?
I was told they came off of a 79. I bought them from someone that was swapping to rear disc. The only modification I had to make was to ream the holes larger in my hubs for the larger lug studs from the 14 bolt. From what I understand if you have a 71 or 72 they already have the larger studs.
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Re: 14 bolt for $400?
Interesting on price. Our LKQ is $250 plus a $40 core on "axle assy rear truck dually less brakes" then brakes that are hard to price on the site. It's only $226 plus $35 core for non-dually truck.
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Re: 14 bolt for $400?
It's hard for anyone to tell on condition without looking at the actual rear end.
Price, on a lot of stuff local going prices vary a lot from one part of the country to another. 400 doesn't sound outrageous but I haven't checked local prices on that model or rear axle. So Cal prices seem to be a bit higher on older truck stuff but I don't know on late model pieces. Supply and demand usually dictate prices for newer stuff in most parts of the country.
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Re: 14 bolt for $400?
The value for 14-bolt, and most other rears is $300 all days long and has been for many years. I didn't comment on $400 because that's not out of line and the $300 range has been stuck for a long long time. You can always find a better deal somewhere. With LKQ being nationwide, but I believe locally run (like a franchise, maybe?) I can see their prices varying from region to region. I have quite a few rears that were given to me. Really can't beat that!
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Re: 14 bolt for $400?
The local U-Pull-It sells their FF 14-bolts for $255. I think they get an even $300 if they pull it for you. A 14-bolt with a locker from a later model truck might be worth $400...
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Re: 14 bolt for $400?
The later model disk brake axles bring more than 400 here complete. They bring $500-600 easy, especially if it’s a G80.
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https://irate4x4.com/threads/eaton-h...thread.379709/ quotes from that link Quote:
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Re: 14 bolt for $400?
Ok so it sounds like the price is on the upper-side of "reasonable".
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(I didn't know you were such a ladies man, Tim) Wrangler, thank you for the link and quotes, very nice of you. A friend of mine spend a few years in the "super overlanding" world, he did some minor rockcrawling and we talked plenty about the "1-ton 14 bb" axle swap that is apparently the holy grail in the rock crawling world. I think it's kinda funny that a tough-as-nails work truck rear axle was turned into a legend by a bunch of offroading guys. The aftermarket support is like something in the realm of LS engines, and all that support has nothing to do with the work-truck world--it all came because of offroaders. But it sounds like my H072 can be a force to be reckoned with, so let me try a brake parts swap first. Last edited by jumpsoffrock; 03-30-2023 at 07:46 PM. |
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Re: 14 bolt for $400?
From what I've seen, prices in CA tend to run higher, especially from a formal business. Since you're not dead in the water, I'd say slow it down and keep looking, checking other sources like Craigslist and Marketplace. You can also post a wanted to buy listing in either of those. I did that for cinder blocks and got one load for free and the rest (larger quantity) for $80. I worded my listing a me needing as well as helping remove unwanted. Like the rears I've had given to me, most people would rather have someone else load and haul one away than do that themselves. When I hear someone say they're ready to scrap something like that I tell them "I'll take it". I think me taking one away for free is better for them than all the work and time for what little money they'll get. There are 14-bolts from 73-87s that will have the save spring pad spread and GMT400s were all wider, I believe. Just another tgought
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