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03-13-2016, 02:28 PM | #1 |
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The below info is from a guy who was involved with Vortec head design and testing. As you can see, a single angle valve job is used only on the HD version of the 906 head for use in 1-ton trucks.
The #906 casting head was available in two versions. One has an Inconel exhaust seat with a single angle grind, and the other has the conventional 3-angle grind on the exhausts as per the #062. The #906 with Inconel seat does not intrude into the exhaust port. It was used primarily on the HD and 1-ton truck applications where sustained towing of heavy loads & weight up inclines could cause eventual damage to a standard induction-hardened exhaust seat from excessive heat. The only difference between the #062 and #906 Vortec head is in the exhaust seat of the HD/1-ton truck #906 version, as described above. The #062 has a 3-angle grind on a standard induction-hardened seat, as does the non-HD #906 head. The 062 does flow slightly better on the exhaust side at low lifts but the advantage over a 906 is very slight. They both utilize back-cut exhaust valves. They both have 3-angle grind seats on the intakes with back-cut intake valves. Both heads make the same power in stock form. Unless Super Chevy mag is now into 1-ton trucks, I'm not sure why they said what they did. ???
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03-13-2016, 05:21 PM | #2 |
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The pitting on the sealing face of the exhaust valves is typically what you see from higher mileage use. You will have some leakage if not addressed.
I would send the heads out to have the seats recut and the valves ground(valve job). You should not need to buy any valves unless you have one with pits too deep to clean up, stem wear under spec, or bent/out of round. You also need to mic the guide boss OD to see what size seals you need. The ones you showed a picture of may work as they are designed to fit a size range. |
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so feeling a bit overwhelmed with all the cylinder head science and it pouring rain outside I decided to price out some "Complete" brand new Vortec cylinder heads by Chevrolet Performance part number 12558060 to reassure myself I did the right thing by buying used heads, so here we go, follow along if you like this will be fun research.
Summit has the best price: $316.99 each but looking at the pictures these heads sure had a lot of parts missing wouldn't you say? Damper Spring Included: No Rocker Arms Included: No Rocker Arm Nuts Included: No Guideplates Included: No so we gots to add $24.99 for the Rocker Arm Kit GM part number 10089648 times 8 per head so $199.92 extra so our new actually assembled and really complete heads now cost $516.91 and I stole mine for 1/10th the price, though they did come with their own set of [ahem] HEADACHES! ha ha man I sure the good ol' days where we said what we meant and we meant what we say, non of this partially "complete" nonsense, or WiFi ready (I'm looking at you Panasonic) Last edited by Gregski; 03-13-2016 at 05:57 PM. |
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You can not run a guide plate on those heads unless you have them machined for screw-in studs and guide plates. Then you would have to run a non-self aligning rocker arm (early version). |
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Have you considered conventional heads for use with the intake manifold and valve covers you already have?
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They're complete heads for an engine buildup. No machine work necessary.
They assume you'll be completing them with shaft mount roller rockers. They're around $240. No need for guide plates with those.
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A $200 (on average) trip to the machine shop for cleaning, crack test, resurfacing, and valve job will have your heads like new, assuming they are not cracked.
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The valves and seats look fine to me compared to a 110,000 mile engine I rebuilt. Those valves and seats needed grinding, and I just happened to know a guy who worked at a place with the correct machinery who was willing to trade favors.
Just lap the valves and put it all back together. You'll be fine. Lapping would be the first thing I would try anyway. You'll be able to tell looking at them after lapping what kind of seal you've got.
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The valve seals showed up today GM part number 10241743 got 'em for a song $12.99 on eBay and FREE shipping - good things come in small packages I guess
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completely disassembled the second head today, the Driver Side
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lets check out these studs a bit closer shall we
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ok lets check out the combustion chambers, look closely
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Not uncommon. I suspect lots of 97-2002 1/2 ton trucks on the road have hairline cracks like yours, but my machinist tells me the vast majority of them don't have symptoms. That said, I wouldn't put a dime in them, nor would he.
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#1 issue with vortec heads.. cracks like that and you never know till you bought them.
you now need to replace that cylinder head or take it back for a exchange. |
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In our shop the heads get disassembled and degreased. Valves are cleaned and checked for wear. Good valves are refaced. the heads are magnufluxed for cracks and seats and guides are checked. Springs are checked for pressure. Then you get an estimate.
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Dang it!
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