My Dusty 71 GMCe Electruck

[layinrocker65]

Are you planning on putting the “motor” in the stock truck tranny location? It looks pretty large. Would be cool to switch the truck to IRS and put the “motor” right in front of the rear end.

[Rich72C10]

This is the coolest thread....

But for the Engine Bay, no to the Frunk or an inert SBC - you need one of these in the middle that lights up / works.

[notsolo]

Serial sycronis communication cable to Flux capacitor. Greg you got this, very cool build, glad you understand it. Looking forward to the next episode of Mr wizards garage.

[Gregski]

Originally Posted by Rich72C10

This is the coolest thread....

But for the Engine Bay, no to the Frunk or an inert SBC - you need one of these in the middle that lights up / works.

[that's hilarious] well, obviously

[Gregski]

Originally Posted by layinrocker65

Are you planning on putting the “motor” in the stock truck tranny location? It looks pretty large.

that's the plan, and fingers crossed, the trans tunnel is removable so maybe it may work

Originally Posted by layinrocker65

Would be cool to switch the truck to IRS and put the “motor” right in front of the rear end.

that's a rad idea maybe with a stubby drive shaft, wonder if the trailing arms would get in the way though

[Gregski]

Originally Posted by layinrocker65

Are you planning on putting the “motor” in the stock truck tranny location? It looks pretty large. Would be cool to switch the truck to IRS and put the “motor” right in front of the rear end.

So you had me a bit concerned so I went out and found some TH350 specs (which is what is in the truck now) and measured the Lexus GS450h transmission for a stare and compare

the Lexus gear box actually has a smaller bell housing

this is the best I can do for now as my truck is at my mamas house in her garage and not in mine

[BigBird05]

How about under the seat in the pick up?

[Gregski]

Originally Posted by BigBird05

How about under the seat in the pick up?

Is we still talking about them batteries? If so we have a ton of space in the engine bay where the [ahem] enjin useta sit, ha ha, but we'll figure it out, keep the ideas commin'

[Gregski]

so here's a mechanical video, where I actually turn a wrench, spin a spanner, and swing a hammer, (no electricity or wire harness talk I promise)

Lock Input Shaft - Lexus GS450h

[Gregski]

mesmerizing video on making things spin

Lexus GS450h - MG1 Spinning

[Low Elco]

Man, props to you for puttin' out all the info. I wound up reading both threads. This is fascinating. Not fascinating enough for me to leave the LS world, but really neat all the same. I will be watching closely! I don't hate the electrics, but If I can't jump in, gas up at the QT, and run 85-90 all the way to Dallas ripping burnouts at every intersection, I can't cosign on that deal. Please, though, continue, I gotta see this!

[Gregski]

Originally Posted by Low Elco

Man, props to you for puttin' out all the info. I wound up reading both threads. This is fascinating. Not fascinating enough for me to leave the LS world, but really neat all the same. I will be watching closely! I don't hate the electrics, but If I can't jump in, gas up at the QT, and run 85-90 all the way to Dallas ripping burnouts at every intersection, I can't cosign on that deal. Please, though, continue, I gotta see this!

Hey man (I assume), thanks for that and I went Carb => LS => Electric myself, so I totally feel you

One thing I want to address is something that you said, because this is a standard anti electric car argument: long distance trips

I assume you live in Independence Missouri (correct me if I'm wrong) and you are talking about the 8 1/2 hour drive to Dallas, Texas (again I am guessing I had to Google Map it, ha ha)

so I gotta ask how often do you do that drive? not being rude, I just speak from experience, it's exactly like my drive from Sacramento, California to Los Angeles

and folks assume that when you go electric you just automatically sell all your other vehicles (or THEY [Men in Black] come and take them all away, ha ha) or you must do everything in your electric car, I don't know why that is hence this rant

I know when we had our '97 Tahoe a perfectly good SUV in working order, any time I ran to LA I would borrow my moms Honda Civic, sometimes cause I knew it got better gas mileage, other times cause she was retired and never drove it, so she begged me to stretch it's legs a little bit from time to time

the point is, you can have other cars and use them accordingly, you wouldn't take a Miata to go get dirt, rocks, or bark for your landscaping

and how often do you go to Dallas, be honest, you don't have to post it here I am just sayin' cause we went down to LA like once every 3 years, we could have flown there, we could have used a rental car, etc

and the other point is that it used to be that most "Americans" only drove 40 miles a day, now it's down to only 25 miles per day, so there's that

anyway not trying to argue I am just making an effort to share what I have observed over the last decade or so, people's behaviors views of electric vehicles are changing but it will take time

[Low Elco]

Originally Posted by Gregski

Hey man (I assume), thanks for that and I went Carb => LS => Electric myself, so I totally feel you

One thing I want to address is something that you said, because this is a standard anti electric car argument: long distance trips

I assume you live in Independence Missouri (correct me if I'm wrong) and you are talking about the 8 1/2 hour drive to Dallas, Texas (again I am guessing I had to Google Map it, ha ha)

so I gotta ask how often do you do that drive? not being rude, I just speak from experience, it's exactly like my drive from Sacramento, California to Los Angeles

and folks assume that when you go electric you just automatically sell all your other vehicles (or THEY [Men in Black] come and take them all away, ha ha) or you must do everything in your electric car, I don't know why that is hence this rant

I know when we had our '97 Tahoe a perfectly good SUV in working order, any time I ran to LA I would borrow my moms Honda Civic, sometimes cause I knew it got better gas mileage, other times cause she was retired and never drove it, so she begged me to stretch it's legs a little bit from time to time

the point is, you can have other cars and use them accordingly, you wouldn't take a Miata to go get dirt, rocks, or bark for your landscaping

and how often do you go to Dallas, be honest, you don't have to post it here I am just sayin' cause we went down to LA like once every 3 years, we could have flown there, we could have used a rental car, etc

and the other point is that it used to be that most "Americans" only drove 40 miles a day, now it's down to only 25 miles per day, so there's that

anyway not trying to argue I am just making an effort to share what I have observed over the last decade or so, people's behaviors views of electric vehicles are changing but it will take time

Your argument is valid, but we're talkin' hot rods. Lots of truck stuff in Texas and I have friends/relatives there. Hoping to sneak down there this year. History shows the hot rods go to Wichita, Springfield, (220 mi.) and Ottawa, KS (75 mi) pretty regularly, and often at 85-90+. I ain't going in my Kia to these doin's.

If we're talking standard cars, sure, I just bought a Kia Soul to buzz around in. Love it. But it ain't my 87 SWB, or the 67 SWB, or the 04 Duramax CC SWB that I just got all the parts to drop and hotrod. I very seriously considered a Leaf to lease (now that they don't look like a 5-year old lost a coloring contest to design one), but I drive 60+ miles a day (putting me over), and didn't want a $450+ car payment.

My other pain point is that everyone that argues for these cars acts like it's the most natural thing in the world to go 100-150 miles and plug in (if you can) and fart around for 25-45 minutes. These people have not rolled with me. I've been known to roll in, gas the bike, grab a Gatorade out of the cooler, chug it while peeing, pay, and gone. I'm an hourly worker. If I'm taking off, I got places to be, and s#it to do. Standing around waiting for my EV to charge ain't one of them.

Again, I harbor no ill will toward the technology at all, other than when it's crammed down my throat. I'm fascinated with your project, wish you every success, and eagerly await your next well-described missive.

Yours in

Chip

[BigBird05]

I like your rebuttal until you referred to useing or other cars. Your government want to out law gas engines in car by 2035.

[Gregski]

Originally Posted by BigBird05

I like your rebuttal until you referred to useing or other cars. Your government want to out law gas engines in car by 2035.

yeah well the US Government has a credible history of blowing smoke

"On June 25, 2003, the United States and the European Union agreed to collaborate on the acceleration of the development of the hydrogen economy.

Both President Bush and European Commission President Prodi have made the development of a hydrogen economy a major priority.

President Bush's Hydrogen Fuel Initiative, announced on January 28, 2003, envisions the transformation of the nation's transportation fleet from a near-total reliance on petroleum to steadily increasing use of clean-burning hydrogen."

[Rich72C10]

that and our switch to metric .... you'll see we are still using MPH signs, get our gas by the gallons and track our distance by miles! Old stuff has a habit of not dying in the USA!

Don't even get me started on broadcast timecode for NTSC Drop Frame, that was done to keep Black & White TVs operational as Color was coming in - then NTSC Drop Frame timecode was kept for HD content. My God, we can't just move on with anything LOL

[BigBird05]

Keeping in mind that 2003 date that you mentioned, When was the last time our Government purchased an electric car or truck? I can't think of it ever happening.

[layinrocker65]

I’m 100% in support of going electric even with the low range. It’s a cool fun project and you have other vehicles to drive. My COE is a burden to drive on the freeway but I LOVE driving it around town. I’d rather smile every day for 20 minutes than once a year for 4hours.

[Gregski]

Originally Posted by BigBird05

Keeping in mind that 2003 date that you mentioned, When was the last time our Government purchased an electric car or truck? I can't think of it ever happening.

Fun Fact: "On August 22, 1902, President Theodore Roosevelt rode through the streets of Hartford in an electric automobile. Automobile production was in its early stages of development at the turn of the twentieth century and about half of America’s vehicles were electric." read that last part again, wow!!!

Roosevelt Rides in an Electric Car – Today in History: August 22

not sure they bought it for him but you get the idea, howerver William Taft (president from 1909-1913) was the first president to own and drive cars during his presidency. One of the most interesting cars he owned was, ironically enough, “green” — a Baker Electric.

[Gregski]

Originally Posted by BigBird05

Keeping in mind that 2003 date that you mentioned, When was the last time our Government purchased an electric car or truck? I can't think of it ever happening.

and let's not forget the Moon buggy, I believe NASA is a government agency, so technically yes the Government has purchased an electric car in the past

The Lunar Roving Vehicle (LRV) is a battery-powered four-wheeled rover used on the Moon in the last three missions of the American Apollo program (15, 16, and 17) during 1971 and 1972. It is popularly called the Moon buggy, a play on the term dune buggy.

Built by Boeing, each LRV has a mass of 460 pounds (210 kg) without payload. It could carry a maximum payload of 1,080 pounds (490 kg), including two astronauts, equipment, and lunar samples, and was designed for a top speed of 8 miles per hour (13 km/h), although it achieved a top speed of 11.2 miles per hour (18.0 km/h) on its last mission, Apollo 17.

[1project2many]

Originally Posted by BigBird05

Keeping in mind that 2003 date that you mentioned, When was the last time our Government purchased an electric car or truck? I can't think of it ever happening.

GSA sells electric vehicles after the Government is done with them. Here are two:
https://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/...41QSCI22316003
https://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/...91QSCI22089307

[Gregski]

although the latter part of this video gets rather specific on how to configure an open source electric vehicle controller aka it's aftermarket brain if you will, I think some of you may find the first 75% of the video interesting in terms of the technology used to achieve it

Lexus GS450h VCU Menu Configuration

[Gregski]

well I couldn't sleep so I punched some numbers into the good ol' Lotus 1-2-3 (pronounced: Excel) ha ha to correlate RPMs to Miles Per Hour based on my 3.73 rear end and 215/65R-17 wheels

I relied on the good ol' folks at x-engineer.org to provide the complicated formulas, (and our daughter to recite pi to the 57th digit):

• How to calculate wheel and vehicle speed from engine speed
  
• How to calculate wheel radius

I'm gonna post some random pics from their site to intimidate you and make myself look smart, ha ha

and yes these motors can spin above 10,000 RPMs easy

[Low Elco]

Question: If the motor is built into a transmission, does the trans work? Or is the locking out I'm seeing lock the trans into the 1:1 gear? In other news, check out the autotopia LA channel. Someone put half a P10 into a very nice Cobra., and holy crap, does that thing run! 90-100 mile range, but that'd be enough for weekend ripping around.

[Gregski]

Originally Posted by Low Elco

Question: If the motor is built into a transmission, does the trans work? Or is the locking out I'm seeing lock the trans into the 1:1 gear?

Here is how I understand it, correct me if I am wrong I am not an expert and this is some voodoo stuff for sure, see the following article to see what I am really trying to explain: The Lexus GS 450h Hybrid System

There are two electric motors inside this Lexus GS450h transmission relying on a power split device. Each one has it's own set of Planetary Gears. The car uses a two-stage motor speed reduction device. We lock the input shaft which is only connected to the first motor what they call a Generator in the first diagram below and refer to it as MG1 (yellow wheel) in the second diagram.

The hybrid system in the GS 450h supports both high output and high vehicle speed. To engage the low gear range, Toyota opens the conventional planetary gearset’s brake 1 and locks brake 2, resulting in a reduction gear ratio of 3.900. For high gear, brake 1 is locked and brake two is open, with a reduction gear ratio of 1.900.

FYI: Most guys like me who do the EV Conversion using this transmission always leave it in High gear.

sorry wordy, but I hope that explains how it works and answered your question