Johns 66

[Johns 66]

For todays project of Rust Free Truck, Not a Show truck..lol

I actually didnt do much but get the underside of the bed braces POR15 coated but I did start on a project FOR the truck....I little back story. This tool box is what my uncle carried in his 63 Chevy Stepside for many years ( Since 64) he could pretty much do what he needed to do if the truck broke down with the tools in the box...within reason of course...fan belts, hoses etc.

Well he gave it to me when I got my 66....So I started piddling with it today a little bit...I had the bowtie that came off the C60 grille and decided to mount it to the box...Im thinking about seeing if Bryan will but me some letters out that say
J O H NS 66 and mount then to the angle part of the lid.

Not sure what color to do it in yet,,,maybe white like the truck with a red bowtie, charcoal like the interior with a white bowtie.....Taking all suggestions..lol

It needs some work done to it since its a lil beat up after bout 55 years...Its an old western auto tool box....

What ya think?

[cwcarpenter98]

That tool box is sweet! The backstory on it is the best part of it. What about charcoal with a red bowtie and white letters? Get all 3 colors in there

[kdad]

How about leave that tool box as it is with all those wonderful years of memories and family love. Maybe add some small pin striping in the trucks colors and your uncles name on it...
Then pass that down through the fam.....

[roll_the_dice]

I love it John...I think Grey with a white bowtie....maybe the handle in red?

[Johns 66]

Originally Posted by cwcarpenter98

That tool box is sweet! The backstory on it is the best part of it. What about charcoal with a red bowtie and white letters? Get all 3 colors in there

Originally Posted by kdad

How about leave that tool box as it is with all those wonderful years of memories and family love. Maybe add some small pin striping in the trucks colors and your uncles name on it...
Then pass that down through the fam.....

Originally Posted by roll_the_dice

I love it John...I think Grey with a white bowtie....maybe the handle in red?

Thanks Guys....I played with it a little bit yesterday trying to get the lid to close correctly and of course one of the little pins broke on the top side of the latch....since it is really thin metal I may try to make one....But I did get it sand blasted today along with my license plate while I was waiting for the weather to warm up a bit.

Im still unsure what color to paint it...I will try my hand at metal straightening so I can get the lid to close without scraping...……

so for the rest of my day...read on

[Johns 66]

So as I wrote earlier I played with the sand blast cabinet for a bit while waiting on the weather to warm......and I got all the panels cleaned and free of the sanding dust and let them dry during this.

Then I re-read the epoxy primer instructions just to make sure and mixed up a batch after I cleaned this super wonderful ( Cheap) Harbor Freight HVLP gun...yes I am being a smart alec….you will know more in a minute.

I have never done this before so it was a learning experience.....I got the first coat of epoxy primer sprayed and it laid out pretty nice....then waited the 15 minutes so that I could apply the second coat...…….should have left well enough alone...lol and no I didn't clean the gun while I wasted 15 minutes....BIG BIG BIG MISTAKE

Luckily I started on the rear cross brace first because the second coat came out like bed liner...lol...gun was clogging up....UGH.....Not sure if it was because of the cheapo gun or my inexperience of not cleaning the gun in between coats.......YouTube videos didn't show that part..lol

Cleaned the gun...sprayed the second coat and it came out ok....not as flat as the first coat...looks like a little orange peel...don't know what the cause of that is...Yet

But was able to get 2 coats of epoxy on the bed parts, cowl piece and license plate. Directions say I have 72 hours to put high build on it before I have to scuff it …….

Oh and YES I have a run in every panel I sprayed....least its primer...lol

[roll_the_dice]

Looks good from here! I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination as I have not sprayed a ton of primer on multiple panels, but I never clean the gun between coats...maybe it is the thickness of the primer or the gun...but if you are doing multiple panels...by the time you finish the 3rd panel...should be about ready to go for coat 2 on the first and so on...right?

[Captainfab]

You shouldn't have to clean out your gun while waiting 15 minutes. What brand of epoxy primer are you using? Are you certain you mixed it correctly? What is the pot life as specified on the tech sheet?

[Johns 66]

Originally Posted by roll_the_dice

Looks good from here! I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination as I have not sprayed a ton of primer on multiple panels, but I never clean the gun between coats...maybe it is the thickness of the primer or the gun...but if you are doing multiple panels...by the time you finish the 3rd panel...should be about ready to go for coat 2 on the first and so on...right?

Andy I didn't think about it that way...Part of my mistake was thinking that I ONLY had 15 minutes and then realized I had 72 hrs that I could take between coats.

Originally Posted by Captainfab

You shouldn't have to clean out your gun while waiting 15 minutes. What brand of epoxy primer are you using? Are you certain you mixed it correctly? What is the pot life as specified on the tech sheet?

Hi John....I am using PPG epoxy, high build etc. The epoxy is mixed 2 to 1. I don't have a scale to weight it but do have the mixing cups so I am pretty sure I got that part right....Its is PPGs Shop Line series...

As of now I am not sure of the Pot Life as the data sheets are in the shop with the chems. It was about 60 degrees so don't think it was too hot.

I guess I am thinking it may have been the gun. It has a 1.8 tip on it so that should be good to spray primer and of course I may have not had the gun adjusted right.

Its definitely a learning process for me. I am considering buying a gun from Eastwood...the Concours Gun set https://www.eastwood.com/concours-pr...ssory-kit.html

The lady at the paint store suggested Iwata but they are really high. I "Have Been Told" that the gun makes a difference in the quality of paint job...but again this could be someone trying to sell me something...I have no clue at this point but it looks like the Eastwood gun set may be good for what I am doing.

Im gonna try to get one bed side and the header panel sprayed in high build before the 72 hrs is up.....the other bedside has lots of runs I gotta fix first ( my first panel sprayed) If the highbuild comes out like bedliner with a clean gun then Ill get me another gun....Fingers crossed its gonna lay down correctly.

[Captainfab]

I have sprayed a lot of PPG's DP, Omni and industrial epoxy primers as well as other brands and have not had the issue you had, even during summer temps. I would say it might be the gun you were using, but there is no need to spend the $$$$ for an Iwata gun. I use an old SHARPE siphon feed gun, but a HVLP would be nice. There are other budget friendly guns out there that are decent quality.

[aggie91]

I doubt it is the pot life of the epoxy primer as 15 minutes should not be too much.

As for the gun, for the clear coat a high quality gun does make some difference, but not for most of us that only do a few paint projects...I have a kit of 3 guns I got off of TCP Global a few years ago, as long as you maintain them between use, they should be good for a long time.

http://www.tcpglobal.com/TCPG7000.ht...3#.XGsJ9I3ruUk

Do you have a good filter/dryer on your compressor and a moisture trap right at the gun? Moisture in the line can cause a ton of problems as will a loss of air pressure and volume.

Does your compressor have enough output to maintain 10-14 scfm at 40psi? If it can't keep up with that then your compressor could be an issue. That HF HVLP gun will likely be on the high end of that cfm range.

[Johns 66]

Originally Posted by Captainfab

I have sprayed a lot of PPG's DP, Omni and industrial epoxy primers as well as other brands and have not had the issue you had, even during summer temps. I would say it might be the gun you were using, but there is no need to spend the $$$$ for an Iwata gun. I use an old SHARPE siphon feed gun, but a HVLP would be nice. There are other budget friendly guns out there that are decent quality.

I checked the pot life today on the epoxy and the paper said 8 hrs so that was not it. Im gonna do some research and get opinions before I buy my color and clear gun.

Originally Posted by aggie91

I doubt it is the pot life of the epoxy primer as 15 minutes should not be too much.

As for the gun, for the clear coat a high quality gun does make some difference, but not for most of us that only do a few paint projects...I have a kit of 3 guns I got off of TCP Global a few years ago, as long as you maintain them between use, they should be good for a long time.

http://www.tcpglobal.com/TCPG7000.ht...3#.XGsJ9I3ruUk

Do you have a good filter/dryer on your compressor and a moisture trap right at the gun? Moisture in the line can cause a ton of problems as will a loss of air pressure and volume.

Does your compressor have enough output to maintain 10-14 scfm at 40psi? If it can't keep up with that then your compressor could be an issue. That HF HVLP gun will likely be on the high end of that cfm range.

Aggie.....I have an 80 gallon Ingersol Rand twin air compressor...When I sprayed they bed sides it only came on once ...so Im thinking it may be big enough to spray...I do have a moisture trap on the line and 2 inline filters but do not have a dryer.

I sprayed high build primer today and Ill explain a little more in my next post....of course with some questions and observations.

I really do appreciate yalls input so very much.

[Johns 66]

Today went back to the shop after letting things sit yesterday since it poured rain all day.

I was pleasantly surprised at the panels …..they seemed to have laid down a little flatter than they were...not completely flat but a lot better.

So I built a stand to hang the panels on to spray...much better than laying them down in my opinion.....Of course had to sand the runs out of the panels but got all that done and decided to play with the HF gun a little bit to see if it was me, the gun or??????

What I determined was 2 things...1 is that I didn't have the guns set right...I had it choked down....worrying about runs...lol well that didn't work and 2 was that the gun needed a little more air pressure than the recommended 40. Of course all this was on cardboard. Basically I opened the gun wide open, max air flow from the adjustment knob...pretty much max on all the settings and used 43 psi on the gun gauge......Seemed to do a lot better, plus I kinda found the right speed while spraying.


Sprayed 2 coats of high build on both sides, header panel and rear cross brace plus the hood cowl panel..

Note to self....don't have runs in epoxy...its a pain to get out....lol

I did notice 3 small areas when I was spraying on the bed side that fill need a little filler...Guess I missed them initially.

2 questions.

1. After applying the filler to any areas that need it when I block sand it with 220 do I need to re-prime the whole panels with high build 2 coats and re-block with 220?

2. The seam on the outside of the bed...Can I fill it with seam sealer? If I seal it with seam sealer will I be able to sand it smooth?

[Johns 66]

Lastly I did get a few updates from Bryan.

The first picture is what appears to be emblem holes that were filled with bondo previously which tells me that this isn't the original passenger side front fender probably a 63 fender...my best guess. Looks to be the same on the drivers side as well

[aggie91]

Yes, you have enough compressor...

Responses to your questions:

1. I typically recoat the whole panel when block sanding. I give the body filler an extra coat before putting down two coats over the whole panel.

2. See post #29 in this thread. its a cab seam, but should answer your question.
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=509519&page=2

[Johns 66]

Originally Posted by aggie91

Yes, you have enough compressor...

Responses to your questions:

1. I typically recoat the whole panel when block sanding. I give the body filler an extra coat before putting down two coats over the whole panel.

2. See post #29 in this thread. its a cab seam, but should answer your question.
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=509519&page=2

Karl...thanks so much for the info....I had to replace one bed side because the seam rusted out and was filled with bondo(More Rust) don't wanna have to do that again.

[Johns 66]

Couple more updates....getting closer!!! Bryan is aligning all the body panels.....and yeah fixed the redneck gunrack holes..lol

[cwcarpenter98]

Looking good!
Seeing all this rust free metal is maybe starting to sway my stance on fixing rust...
I would have kept the gun rack, but that's just me I think they are neat

[Johns 66]

Originally Posted by cwcarpenter98

Looking good!
Seeing all this rust free metal is maybe starting to sway my stance on fixing rust...
I would have kept the gun rack, but that's just me I think they are neat

Well all that remained was the holes when I bought her. Plus nowadays people usually try to steal guns out of trucks...didn't wanna temp anyone

[cwcarpenter98]

Originally Posted by Johns 66

Plus nowadays people usually try to steal guns out of trucks...didn't wanna temp anyone

Good point, I just like the looks. Too many people would think you are up to no good if you have one visible these days as well.

[roll_the_dice]

Looking good John! I have gun rack holes in my cab as well and no gun rack...I am leaving the holes, but no gun rack.

[straight6chevyguy]

Looking good!

I plan on putting a gun rack in my truck(s) & if people see it and don't like it... well to bad!

[kdad]

I too had the gun rack in my truck from the PO. Of course I filled em in and now just have the rack laying in the scrap pile.. If anyone needs an old funky gun rack just pay for the trip and its yours..

[cwcarpenter98]

Originally Posted by kdad

I too had the gun rack in my truck from the PO. Of course I filled em in and now just have the rack laying in the scrap pile.. If anyone needs an old funky gun rack just pay for the trip and its yours..

Not sure how shipping it across the country would be, but if you don't mind checking, 30188 is my zip, thanks

[Johns 66]

Been missing ole girl so today I took a ride to the ATL and checked in on her.....besides a couple of places she is almost done...Tailgate still has to be done, holes in cross member for exhaust plus finishing aligning the panels and that should be it.

Bought some stuff from Eastwood...bought a better quality paint gun, some metal hammers and dollies, plus some soft sanding blocks......cant wait to she gets home and can start rubbing on her

Heres a few pics