Columbus..the 1957 IH 4x4..

[Dads79GMC]

Mongo, looks great. Any idea on when you'll test start the engine? Unless I missed it? Thanks Mike

[mongocanfly]

Thanks Mike!!!...you havnt missed much...havnt had much truck time lately due to working 7-12s the last couple weeks..im lucky to get 30-45 minutes a day on it...I still havnt done any wiring yet...trying to get the clutch stuff squared away so I can get it back to my buddys shop...then I can start reassembling stuff ...don't know when work will slow down but hopefully sometime in march ill hear it run and get some paint on it

[MP&C]

Greg, nice work on the bracket!

[Advanced Design]

Greg, nothing to laugh at there. That is a seriously good idea that took a lot of effort to find the best ratio configuration. Very cool, very impressive!

[mongocanfly]

well thanks Doug.....I started to not even show this cause it looked so hokey..but I figured what the heck....the final version will be much better...
I talked to wildwood to try and get a idea of how much travel the master pushrod would have to move, to get the slave to move (x) distance....they had no idea ...so it was up to me to figure it out

[Scott2]

That looks great! I like the idea a lot although I would have probably made it with wood - yours is much better!

[Old57]

Nice work, looking good! There was somewhere that I read about pedal ratios and the amount of master cylinder movement, but I can't remember where it was. Maybe it was on the Novak website. I used their slave cylinder and a pedal assembly from Kugel Komponents. That one you made will let you figure out exactly what you want though!

[mongocanfly]

Thanks tigger!...I'm trying to decide what to make them from...I dont want to use coldroll... was thinking something a little harder....but the OEM ones aren't very hard...

[a.c.ward]

did some research when looking for door pins for my buddies 39 chevy master deluxe.

used NEW big block chevy intake valves, they measure 0.3415''. to make them fit, put hinge pieces in the mill using a valve reamer that spec'd 0.3412, don't know what engine brand it was for, but the difference in diameters made for a press fit. drilled an oiling on for pin tip grease gun in all three parts of hinge.

they have worked flawless for the past 10 years. almost daily driver, couple power tours, multiple car shows, 10k plus miles a year.

food for thought

[mongocanfly]

thanks A.C.....ive got some drill rod I was thinking about using to make a set if I cant find anything else...
also poking around on dormans website I found some I think may work without having to make em...they show the ones for a chevy truck/suburban from the 90s to measure .342....when I quick measured the IH pins I used calipers and got .340...need to stick a mic on it and see what it really is...I think I kept the door hinges off the old burb I hauled off...so if I still got em I may have something to try...
I wish there was enough metal in the hinge to ream it out and install some brass bushing...but theres just not enough meat there to do it...

[Scott2]

Have you talked to the guy at Coonrod’s IH parts? Here’s his FB page: https://m.facebook.com/pages/Coonrod...59964014102231

It’s just west of Denver up in the foothills and I’ve stopped by and looked around a couple of times. He has a ton of stuff up there! Maybe he has some parts for you?

[Troy Sr]

I'm in, I love me some Inny's, I had a 1936 C1 Pickup, a 1968 4x4 Pickup, 1963 Scout, and a 1965 Truck (flat bed).

[mongocanfly]

Thanks Scott!...good idea!!..I didnt even think about making one out of wood.....haha...

Old 57...I'm under the assumption that if the master and slave have the same piston size that it should be 1:1 movement between the two....but wilwood would neither cofirm or deny it..liability I guess...
This was a sortasimple remedy...cause I want the clutch releasing at about mid pedal travel

Troy...would love to see some pics of your IHs...dad had a total of 5 when I was growing up...57,59,63,67,69...this truck was the only one to survive....so to speak....

[mongocanfly]

well........this could have made for a bad day....been working a lot of OT lately so I havnt had but a few minutes here and there to work on the truck...
fiddling with my door hinges...when I got the truck the doors opened and closed like the doors on a brand new truck...when I pulled the hinges off I noticed the 2 bottom hinges were tight and harder to move than the top ones...so today I stuck one in a vise and started working the hinge back and forth,,,about that 3rd lick and the hinge fell apart!
oh wow...
broken hinge pin...
not trusting the others now I went ahead and disassembled all the hinges...
3 of the 4 pins were broken into many pieces...
these things were hard as the devil to get out...had to use the torch,pin punch and great big hammer to get them apart....
usually it would have been my luck to find this out after I got it all painted and my newly painted door was laying on the ground...

any body got any 1957 IH nos oem hinge pins?.....haha
guess ill be making these now

[Scott2]

Originally Posted by mongocanfly

well........this could have made for a bad day....been working a lot of OT lately so I havnt had but a few minutes here and there to work on the truck...
fiddling with my door hinges...when I got the truck the doors opened and closed like the doors on a brand new truck...when I pulled the hinges off I noticed the 2 bottom hinges were tight and harder to move than the top ones...so today I stuck one in a vise and started working the hinge back and forth,,,about that 3rd lick and the hinge fell apart!
oh wow...
broken hinge pin...
not trusting the others now I went ahead and disassembled all the hinges...
3 of the 4 pins were broken into many pieces...
these things were hard as the devil to get out...had to use the torch,pin punch and great big hammer to get them apart....
usually it would have been my luck to find this out after I got it all painted and my newly painted door was laying on the ground...

any body got any 1957 IH nos oem hinge pins?.....haha
guess ill be making these now

Nice catch! You must be past all those previous setbacks and on a smooth path to the finish! I’m interested in seeing how you make the new pins! Do these hinges use brass bushing and will you have to make those too?

This is going to be a very sweet truck!

[mongocanfly]

thanks Scott...
ive still got a couple head scratchers to go before I make any real headway...
no brass in these hinges...metal on metal...the old pins measure out to .340....im thinking of running a .375 reamer thru it and just making the pins 3/8"...
but what was amazing was how good the doors opened and closed to have pins in this shape....

[mongocanfly]

believe it or not but I did find some NOS pins.....but hes gonna get to keep em....
$91.31 each...WOW!!!!!!!....holy cow
https://travelallparts.com/Hinge_Pin...d_Stock/p19003

[72 tigger]

Good catch! You can make your own and they’ll look just as good

[mongocanfly]

That's a great idea a.c. ....I wouldn't have thought of that....I'll definitely add that to my possibles list...thanks

How did you do the heads on them?....

[a.c.ward]

basically drilled 3/32" hole top and bottom and installed "hair clip" style pins to hold them and make easer to remove later.

as hard as they were to drill, probably shoulda used a smaller reamer and just press fit in.

another option would be to weld a rose bud top on them to keep them in.

good looking truck and fantastic job so far

[mongocanfly]

Thanks Scott...
I cant get on his sight...it says I'm not a member...
but a guy on the IH sight said the last time he was at Coonrods he saw several Mason jars full of hinge pins on a shelf...

[Scott2]

Originally Posted by mongocanfly

Thanks Scott...
I cant get on his sight...it says I'm not a member...
but a guy on the IH sight said the last time he was at Coonrods he saw several Mason jars full of hinge pins on a shelf...

Might be worth a call. He really does have an impressive amount of parts. Makes you almost want to get an old IH truck or Scout!

[mongocanfly]

well..we have a winner..
i went and looked at the burb doors I saved ...I didn't keep the front door hinges but the rears were still on the doors...so I knocked the top pin out and its the same dia as the IH pin....its a little longer but that's no issue....the bottom burb pin is about 1/2in shorter so I should be in business....got some new ones on the way..i may have to knurl the new top pins a little bit futher down the shank..there is a spring that goes under the head of the top pin...no issue there either though

[Advanced Design]

Good deal on finding a simple and cost effective solution. Mr $91 a pin won’t like that one.

[Greenlee]

I’ve seen various size door pin sets in the help section at Autozone. I remember I had ordered some from somewhere like LMC and then thinking maybe I could have just got them at the parts store cheaper.