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**Dieselwrencher** · 05-06-2014, 07:48 PM

Awesome work on your cab! I think my next project for the winter will be the same thing. But I'm thinking DRW and using my 72 for the rest.

Going with that 1 ton frame is a good idea too.

ksbrktracer · 05-06-2014, 08:21 PM

Looking like a super start ...... !!!! I vote for full size rear doors.... That is how I want to do one.

jbclassix · 05-06-2014, 09:01 PM

Man, I love these crew cabs!

**Dieselwrencher** · 05-06-2014, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ksbrktracer

Looking like a super start ...... !!!! I vote for full size rear doors.... That is how I want to do one.

X2, that is how I plan to do mine or like a mega cab.

toomanytoyz · 05-07-2014, 10:07 AM

Great Start,Along for the ride............

Rick

Booya · 05-07-2014, 04:11 PM

I'll ride along. What size lift and tires are you going with this one?

**71blksuper4x4** · 05-11-2014, 10:17 PM

No new pictures yet, but did acquire my new c30 157" frame and my new srw axles. Progress will be slow between working on my brother in laws 76 k5 converted to a 73-75 convertible, this truck, and my busy season at work. That's what you get when you are your own fabricator and body man. Trevor

SS Tim · 05-11-2014, 11:02 PM

The full size (or nearly so) doors do change the look visually a lot.
The 157" numbers out very close for a 42" stretch cab (Scott-Bilt style) and a short bed. Need to remember that the axle kickup is higher on a 157" frame than a 133", 3" IIRC. Something I had looked into wanting a 149" wb C30 frame. PM me you email for a couple of drawings to reference.
Now here is an unknown assumed period crew cab conversion I found that appears to have the modifications you are debating. IIRC it was on the board here, my thought is it might be a Stageway and if I can locate the post I'll link it.
Finally here is a quickie "what if" chop I did years ago before we out grew a shortbed.

**71blksuper4x4** · 05-12-2014, 08:41 PM

Thanks Tim, after measuring the kick up, the top of the rails measure about 1 1/2" above the half and three quarter ton frames. I still think it is the best platform to use for length and strength for a diesel crew. This one is huge. Those 8" rails are massive and the frame is every bit of 20 ft.

SS Tim · 05-12-2014, 08:59 PM

Can't agree more. The 157" frame is the king of the LD truck frames (8.18" section height, 2.97" flange width, 0.224" thick, 7.29 section modulus).
Numbers work out to about 99% stiffer than a K20 frame, but then even a C20 (127") frame is about 8% stiffer than a K20. Don't remember the kickup being that minimal but go with what you see. If you are doing a 4x4 conversion I have some thoughts I'd like to run by you.

**71blksuper4x4** · 05-12-2014, 09:33 PM

Hey Tim, I'm all ears, so shoot away or pm me. I ran a straight board across the top of the highest part of the rear frame and measured down to the middle portion of the frame. It was about an 1/8" from being 7" of kickup and measured my 3/4 and it was if I remember right, 5-5 1/2". I'll remeasure that tomorrow. Trevor

SS Tim · 05-13-2014, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 71blksuper4x4

Hey Tim, I'm all ears, so shoot away or pm me. I ran a straight board across the top of the highest part of the rear frame and measured down to the middle portion of the frame. It was about an 1/8" from being 7" of kickup and measured my 3/4 and it was if I remember right, 5-5 1/2". I'll remeasure that tomorrow. Trevor

Actually that sounds real close. Showing 5.46" on a C20 (127") and 7.18" on a C30 (157").

ryanroo · 05-12-2014, 10:36 PM

what level of effort will go into this frame to make it work for your needs? the reason i ask is from my own experience. if i was to start over and i wasnt working on a truck that was of some sentimental value, i would just scratch build the frame. i dont know if you have looked at mine or not, but i have boxed the K20 frame front to rear. given the amount of work that was vs the end result of building a frame, i would go full custom fab next time.

**71blksuper4x4** · 05-13-2014, 06:26 AM

Hey Ryan, I'm going for more of a stock build with my truck. Trying to incorporate the strongest parts offered. I don't plan on doing any unnecessary boxing of the frame. The drive train will be a stock duramax, after much back in forth thinking, and tied to a nv4500 and np205. I feel pretty confident this frame will withstand my light abuse and be more than capable to tow with. My modifications will include removing all 4x4 specific brackets and rereviting them to this frame and if I need to add any cross members along the way. This is definitely more beef of a frame compared to a longhorn c30 frame or 3/4 ton frame. Trevor

**Dieselwrencher** · 05-13-2014, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 71blksuper4x4

Hey Ryan, I'm going for more of a stock build with my truck. Trying to incorporate the strongest parts offered. I don't plan on doing any unnecessary boxing of the frame. The drive train will be a stock duramax, after much back in forth thinking, and tied to a nv4500 and np205. I feel pretty confident this frame will withstand my light abuse and be more than capable to tow with. My modifications will include removing all 4x4 specific brackets and rereviting them to this frame and if I need to add any cross members along the way. This is definitely more beef of a frame compared to a longhorn c30 frame or 3/4 ton frame. Trevor

I'd reconsider riveting the frame back together. I'd use grade 8 bolts and bolt it together. Grade 8 bolts are stronger than those rivets they use in these frames. I'm sure you're going for a stock appearing look, but you blew that out of the water when you said crew cab and duramax.

ryanroo · 05-13-2014, 07:26 AM

sounds good! what are you plans for hooking the 4500 to the duramax? i have no idea if they offer that BH, or what pattern the Dmax used or any of the details there.

mjensen · 05-18-2014, 12:13 PM

I'm on board. Great looking work so far!

Bomp · 05-18-2014, 12:31 PM

Got my attention here too.

**71blksuper4x4** · 06-03-2014, 09:57 PM

Progress is progress!

**71blksuper4x4** · 06-03-2014, 10:03 PM

Also, I picked up a np205 from out of a cummins /getrag 5speed for the 29 spline used in both the nv4500 and Allison. So I've got some choices still. Trevor

**Dieselwrencher** · 06-03-2014, 10:54 PM

Nice work Trevor.

**71blksuper4x4** · 06-04-2014, 09:00 PM

Tonights progress after work.

**DeadheadNM** · 06-07-2014, 01:10 PM

Inspiring build! I'm on board.

**cst204x4** · 06-07-2014, 11:54 PM

Awesome build Trevor love the idea of full size rear doors

chase2 · 06-30-2014, 11:22 AM

I would like to come by some time. I am doing the same thing. Here is a link on mine I have not been able to work on it much but I continue to get parts rounded up and I hope to hit it hard this fall.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=507581

05-06-2014, 07:48 PM	#1
Dieselwrencher 6>8 Plugless........ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Prairie City, Ia Posts: 17,139	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit Awesome work on your cab! I think my next project for the winter will be the same thing. But I'm thinking DRW and using my 72 for the rest. Going with that 1 ton frame is a good idea too. __________________ Ryan 1972 Chevy Longhorn K30 Cheyenne Super, 359 Inline 6 cylinder, Auto Trans, Tilt, Diesel Tach/Vach, Buckets, Rare Rear 4-link and air ride option Build Thread 1972 GMC Sierra Grande Longhorn 4x4 1972 Chevy Cheyenne Super K20 Long Step side tilt, tach, tow hooks, AC, 350 4 speed 1972 C10 Suburban Custom Deluxe 1969 Chevy milk truck 1971 Camaro RS 5.3 BTR STG3 Cam Super T10 1940 Ford 354 Hemi 46RH Ford 9" on air ride huge project *Tired of spark plugs? Check this out.*

05-06-2014, 08:21 PM	#2
ksbrktracer TNT-MOTORSPORTS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: TULSA OKLAHOMA Posts: 2,692	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit Looking like a super start ...... !!!! I vote for full size rear doors.... That is how I want to do one.

05-06-2014, 09:01 PM	#3
jbclassix Junk Yartist Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Greeley, CO Posts: 2,203	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit Man, I love these crew cabs! __________________ -Jeremy YOU ONLY FAIL IF YOU STOP TRYING 70 Crew Cab Build Link 70 GMC Suburban 4X4 build thread 95 Yukon Daily Driver Rebuilding an NP205

05-07-2014, 10:07 AM	#5
toomanytoyz Luv the Crewcabs Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Andrews, In. 46702 Posts: 4,097	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit Great Start,Along for the ride............ Rick __________________ 55 Nomad 52 Willys Truck 67 Stepper 67 Fleet 68 Wrecker 68 Suburban 76 Crewcab 79 Gmc Dumptruck 84 Blazer 86 Crewcab Stepside 87 Iroc 89 GMC Plow Truck 91 Camaro Vert 96 Z71 Stepsde

05-07-2014, 04:11 PM	#6
Booya Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Boise Idaho Posts: 117	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit I'll ride along. What size lift and tires are you going with this one?

05-11-2014, 10:17 PM	#7
71blksuper4x4 SWB 4x4 Collector Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Osage City, KS Posts: 5,155	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit No new pictures yet, but did acquire my new c30 157" frame and my new srw axles. Progress will be slow between working on my brother in laws 76 k5 converted to a 73-75 convertible, this truck, and my busy season at work. That's what you get when you are your own fabricator and body man. Trevor __________________ TREVOR 1970 CST swb 4x4 (speedwarning,cruise,tilt,tach,8track, original red shoulder belts,tow hooks) 1972 Jimmy (soon to be Hickey cloned) 1971 Cheyenne Super 4x4 swb (tilt,tach,buckets, original blue shoulder belts,am/fm,cruise,tow hooks, dealer 8 track) 1972 Cheyenne Super K20 4x4 Custom Camper (tilt, tach, am/fm, tow hooks, bed toolbox, aux gas tank 1972 Cheyenne Super Crew Cab K30 4x4 Duramax, Allison, np205, buckets, tow hooks (CURRENT PROJECT) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=624819 1989 V3500 Crew Cab (454tbi, NV4500, np205) 1970 Chevelle SS (LS5 454,th400,8track,buckets,tach) :2004 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon (daily driver) WTB: 1968-70 Cruise Control Lever

05-11-2014, 11:02 PM	#8
SS Tim Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Edwards, CA Posts: 7,503	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit The full size (or nearly so) doors do change the look visually a lot. The 157" numbers out very close for a 42" stretch cab (Scott-Bilt style) and a short bed. Need to remember that the axle kickup is higher on a 157" frame than a 133", 3" IIRC. Something I had looked into wanting a 149" wb C30 frame. PM me you email for a couple of drawings to reference. Now here is an unknown assumed period crew cab conversion I found that appears to have the modifications you are debating. IIRC it was on the board here, my thought is it might be a Stageway and if I can locate the post I'll link it. Finally here is a quickie "what if" chop I did years ago before we out grew a shortbed. Attached Images __________________ Thanks, Tim * VIN/Model Decoders * Power Team Charts (engine/transmission/gear ratio) * Post Your Pickup SPID Blazer SPID Suburban/Panel SPID * RTFM ... Read The Factory Manuals... download 'em here Highlanders Do you have a 1972 Plaid Pickup? Plaid Blazer ** Plaid Suburban

05-12-2014, 08:41 PM	#9
71blksuper4x4 SWB 4x4 Collector Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Osage City, KS Posts: 5,155	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit Thanks Tim, after measuring the kick up, the top of the rails measure about 1 1/2" above the half and three quarter ton frames. I still think it is the best platform to use for length and strength for a diesel crew. This one is huge. Those 8" rails are massive and the frame is every bit of 20 ft. Attached Images __________________ TREVOR 1970 CST swb 4x4 (speedwarning,cruise,tilt,tach,8track, original red shoulder belts,tow hooks) 1972 Jimmy (soon to be Hickey cloned) 1971 Cheyenne Super 4x4 swb (tilt,tach,buckets, original blue shoulder belts,am/fm,cruise,tow hooks, dealer 8 track) 1972 Cheyenne Super K20 4x4 Custom Camper (tilt, tach, am/fm, tow hooks, bed toolbox, aux gas tank 1972 Cheyenne Super Crew Cab K30 4x4 Duramax, Allison, np205, buckets, tow hooks (CURRENT PROJECT) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=624819 1989 V3500 Crew Cab (454tbi, NV4500, np205) 1970 Chevelle SS (LS5 454,th400,8track,buckets,tach) :2004 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon (daily driver) WTB: 1968-70 Cruise Control Lever

05-12-2014, 08:59 PM	#10
SS Tim Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Edwards, CA Posts: 7,503	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit Can't agree more. The 157" frame is the king of the LD truck frames (8.18" section height, 2.97" flange width, 0.224" thick, 7.29 section modulus). Numbers work out to about 99% stiffer than a K20 frame, but then even a C20 (127") frame is about 8% stiffer than a K20. Don't remember the kickup being that minimal but go with what you see. If you are doing a 4x4 conversion I have some thoughts I'd like to run by you. __________________ Thanks, Tim * VIN/Model Decoders * Power Team Charts (engine/transmission/gear ratio) * Post Your Pickup SPID Blazer SPID Suburban/Panel SPID * RTFM ... Read The Factory Manuals... download 'em here Highlanders Do you have a 1972 Plaid Pickup? Plaid Blazer ** Plaid Suburban

05-12-2014, 09:33 PM	#11
71blksuper4x4 SWB 4x4 Collector Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Osage City, KS Posts: 5,155	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit Hey Tim, I'm all ears, so shoot away or pm me. I ran a straight board across the top of the highest part of the rear frame and measured down to the middle portion of the frame. It was about an 1/8" from being 7" of kickup and measured my 3/4 and it was if I remember right, 5-5 1/2". I'll remeasure that tomorrow. Trevor __________________ TREVOR 1970 CST swb 4x4 (speedwarning,cruise,tilt,tach,8track, original red shoulder belts,tow hooks) 1972 Jimmy (soon to be Hickey cloned) 1971 Cheyenne Super 4x4 swb (tilt,tach,buckets, original blue shoulder belts,am/fm,cruise,tow hooks, dealer 8 track) 1972 Cheyenne Super K20 4x4 Custom Camper (tilt, tach, am/fm, tow hooks, bed toolbox, aux gas tank 1972 Cheyenne Super Crew Cab K30 4x4 Duramax, Allison, np205, buckets, tow hooks (CURRENT PROJECT) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=624819 1989 V3500 Crew Cab (454tbi, NV4500, np205) 1970 Chevelle SS (LS5 454,th400,8track,buckets,tach) :2004 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon (daily driver) WTB: 1968-70 Cruise Control Lever

05-12-2014, 10:36 PM	#13
ryanroo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: sw colorado Posts: 2,720	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit what level of effort will go into this frame to make it work for your needs? the reason i ask is from my own experience. if i was to start over and i wasnt working on a truck that was of some sentimental value, i would just scratch build the frame. i dont know if you have looked at mine or not, but i have boxed the K20 frame front to rear. given the amount of work that was vs the end result of building a frame, i would go full custom fab next time. __________________ 72 K20 12v build 72 K20 "parts truck" A place for your diesel swap questions

05-13-2014, 06:26 AM	#14
71blksuper4x4 SWB 4x4 Collector Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Osage City, KS Posts: 5,155	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit Hey Ryan, I'm going for more of a stock build with my truck. Trying to incorporate the strongest parts offered. I don't plan on doing any unnecessary boxing of the frame. The drive train will be a stock duramax, after much back in forth thinking, and tied to a nv4500 and np205. I feel pretty confident this frame will withstand my light abuse and be more than capable to tow with. My modifications will include removing all 4x4 specific brackets and rereviting them to this frame and if I need to add any cross members along the way. This is definitely more beef of a frame compared to a longhorn c30 frame or 3/4 ton frame. Trevor __________________ TREVOR 1970 CST swb 4x4 (speedwarning,cruise,tilt,tach,8track, original red shoulder belts,tow hooks) 1972 Jimmy (soon to be Hickey cloned) 1971 Cheyenne Super 4x4 swb (tilt,tach,buckets, original blue shoulder belts,am/fm,cruise,tow hooks, dealer 8 track) 1972 Cheyenne Super K20 4x4 Custom Camper (tilt, tach, am/fm, tow hooks, bed toolbox, aux gas tank 1972 Cheyenne Super Crew Cab K30 4x4 Duramax, Allison, np205, buckets, tow hooks (CURRENT PROJECT) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=624819 1989 V3500 Crew Cab (454tbi, NV4500, np205) 1970 Chevelle SS (LS5 454,th400,8track,buckets,tach) :2004 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon (daily driver) WTB: 1968-70 Cruise Control Lever

05-13-2014, 07:26 AM	#16
ryanroo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: sw colorado Posts: 2,720	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit sounds good! what are you plans for hooking the 4500 to the duramax? i have no idea if they offer that BH, or what pattern the Dmax used or any of the details there. __________________ 72 K20 12v build 72 K20 "parts truck" A place for your diesel swap questions

05-18-2014, 12:13 PM	#17
mjensen Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 1,562	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit I'm on board. Great looking work so far! __________________ Mike '69 GMC 3/4 ton 4x4 Build Thread

05-18-2014, 12:31 PM	#18
Bomp Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: . Posts: 3,104	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit Got my attention here too.



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06-03-2014, 09:57 PM	#19
71blksuper4x4 SWB 4x4 Collector Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Osage City, KS Posts: 5,155	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit Progress is progress! Attached Images __________________ TREVOR 1970 CST swb 4x4 (speedwarning,cruise,tilt,tach,8track, original red shoulder belts,tow hooks) 1972 Jimmy (soon to be Hickey cloned) 1971 Cheyenne Super 4x4 swb (tilt,tach,buckets, original blue shoulder belts,am/fm,cruise,tow hooks, dealer 8 track) 1972 Cheyenne Super K20 4x4 Custom Camper (tilt, tach, am/fm, tow hooks, bed toolbox, aux gas tank 1972 Cheyenne Super Crew Cab K30 4x4 Duramax, Allison, np205, buckets, tow hooks (CURRENT PROJECT) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=624819 1989 V3500 Crew Cab (454tbi, NV4500, np205) 1970 Chevelle SS (LS5 454,th400,8track,buckets,tach) :2004 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon (daily driver) WTB: 1968-70 Cruise Control Lever

06-03-2014, 10:03 PM	#20
71blksuper4x4 SWB 4x4 Collector Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Osage City, KS Posts: 5,155	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit Also, I picked up a np205 from out of a cummins /getrag 5speed for the 29 spline used in both the nv4500 and Allison. So I've got some choices still. Trevor __________________ TREVOR 1970 CST swb 4x4 (speedwarning,cruise,tilt,tach,8track, original red shoulder belts,tow hooks) 1972 Jimmy (soon to be Hickey cloned) 1971 Cheyenne Super 4x4 swb (tilt,tach,buckets, original blue shoulder belts,am/fm,cruise,tow hooks, dealer 8 track) 1972 Cheyenne Super K20 4x4 Custom Camper (tilt, tach, am/fm, tow hooks, bed toolbox, aux gas tank 1972 Cheyenne Super Crew Cab K30 4x4 Duramax, Allison, np205, buckets, tow hooks (CURRENT PROJECT) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=624819 1989 V3500 Crew Cab (454tbi, NV4500, np205) 1970 Chevelle SS (LS5 454,th400,8track,buckets,tach) :2004 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon (daily driver) WTB: 1968-70 Cruise Control Lever

06-03-2014, 10:54 PM	#21
Dieselwrencher 6>8 Plugless........ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Prairie City, Ia Posts: 17,139	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit Nice work Trevor. __________________ Ryan 1972 Chevy Longhorn K30 Cheyenne Super, 359 Inline 6 cylinder, Auto Trans, Tilt, Diesel Tach/Vach, Buckets, Rare Rear 4-link and air ride option Build Thread 1972 GMC Sierra Grande Longhorn 4x4 1972 Chevy Cheyenne Super K20 Long Step side tilt, tach, tow hooks, AC, 350 4 speed 1972 C10 Suburban Custom Deluxe 1969 Chevy milk truck 1971 Camaro RS 5.3 BTR STG3 Cam Super T10 1940 Ford 354 Hemi 46RH Ford 9" on air ride huge project *Tired of spark plugs? Check this out.*

06-04-2014, 09:00 PM	#22
71blksuper4x4 SWB 4x4 Collector Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Osage City, KS Posts: 5,155	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit Tonights progress after work. Attached Images __________________ TREVOR 1970 CST swb 4x4 (speedwarning,cruise,tilt,tach,8track, original red shoulder belts,tow hooks) 1972 Jimmy (soon to be Hickey cloned) 1971 Cheyenne Super 4x4 swb (tilt,tach,buckets, original blue shoulder belts,am/fm,cruise,tow hooks, dealer 8 track) 1972 Cheyenne Super K20 4x4 Custom Camper (tilt, tach, am/fm, tow hooks, bed toolbox, aux gas tank 1972 Cheyenne Super Crew Cab K30 4x4 Duramax, Allison, np205, buckets, tow hooks (CURRENT PROJECT) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=624819 1989 V3500 Crew Cab (454tbi, NV4500, np205) 1970 Chevelle SS (LS5 454,th400,8track,buckets,tach) :2004 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon (daily driver) WTB: 1968-70 Cruise Control Lever

06-07-2014, 01:10 PM	#23
DeadheadNM Carpe manana Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Eau Claire, WI Posts: 12,428	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit Inspiring build! I'm on board. __________________ 1972 K5 CST Highlander Blazer: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=708547 1972 K20 Cheyenne Super: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=528308 Members met: ORANGBLAZ, 2003 silverado, MikeCofield, BB72CHEVKT, Duncan&Son, Sameyrasmea72, THENEWMEXICAN, HotRod C/10, brianthelion02, Sport/Truck, ryanroo, michael bustamante, Dirt's72, Already Gone, WestButteTruck, 57taskforce, Moreyel, painterljp, AASmedic, SoCoC10, Lumaestas, carbuff382, Chevyland

06-07-2014, 11:54 PM	#24
cst204x4 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: corunna michigan Posts: 2,005	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit Awesome build Trevor love the idea of full size rear doors __________________ 1970 CST 4x4 collecting nos parts for this project 1972 cutlass owned since 1984 1972 cutlass conv 1970 Cutlass conv 1981 chevy shortbox 1986 grand national 2004 2500HD Crew Cab 66,000 miles

06-30-2014, 11:22 AM	#25
chase2 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Paola kansas Posts: 42	Re: Project: Big Grapefruit I would like to come by some time. I am doing the same thing. Here is a link on mine I have not been able to work on it much but I continue to get parts rounded up and I hope to hit it hard this fall. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=507581

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